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Post#1121 » by PistolPeteJR » Thu Jun 6, 2024 1:43 pm

I know nothing of Hurley given I haven't followed any college basketball at all the last few years. Any insight?
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Post#1122 » by Colbinii » Thu Jun 6, 2024 3:40 pm

PistolPeteJR wrote:I know nothing of Hurley given I haven't followed any college basketball at all the last few years. Any insight?


Incredible Coach.

He has won every he has been, from Wagner > Rhode Island > UConn

He turned UConn around, from not being in the Tournament to back-to-back championships.

He convinced high-end, Top-100 prospects like Stephon Castle to go to UConn and Buy-IN on a lower-usage for the team.

He has had quick success at every program he has gone to, which lends itself to actual coaching and not "Recruiting over 2-3 years to get your guys in".
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Post#1123 » by AEnigma » Thu Jun 6, 2024 3:54 pm

Personally always skeptical of the direct NCAA to NBA head coaching leap: Stevens was good and Donovan has been adequate, but otherwise there is relatively little history of immediate adaptation. However, as with most new coaching hires, a good team of assistants would go a long way.
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Post#1124 » by Slava » Thu Jun 6, 2024 5:18 pm

I think Donovan has been a success given what he’s been dealt. It sucks he had to go right into the Chicago Bulls black hole.
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Post#1125 » by rk2023 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 8:43 pm

Id love Hurley compared to what’s on the market right now.

A lot of think pieces are going to be made about how he’ll mesh with James/Davis, but that is at the bottom of my concerns tbh. We’ve seen a fiery personality in Malone take the Nuggets into yearly contention status - and fare well as a coach. At this point, there’s no denying both LA stars *want* to win and want the right persona leading them to it.

Not that I see these as concerns or areas I’m not confident on, but
• How could Hurley manage a rotation top to bottom, especially the human side?
• Will his ability to better younger players (signings, draft picks) translate to the pros?
• Can LA realistically build a contending roster with identity & his schematic, tactical feedback in mind?

Atp, both James/Davis are top 8 playoff players in the league imo - but neither really close to being a “best in the world” caliber player that’s a trump card in any given matchup. They can still win in the right situation imo.
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Post#1126 » by tone wone » Thu Jun 6, 2024 11:12 pm

Slava wrote:I think Donovan has been a success given what he’s been dealt. It sucks he had to go right into the Chicago Bulls black hole.

Willingness to actually spend big is my takeaway from all this.

Walton and Ham were inexperienced and thus cheap. The cheaper the head coach, the cheaper the assistants. Vogel was different in that he wasn't cheap per say and was obviously experienced but didn't mind management forcing assistants on him which is usually atypical for vet coaches. Was a sticking point for Lue if i recall. I loathe the Reddick idea because Ham's inexperience just cost them and to double down with someone with no relevant experience is pure lunacy.

Management is terrible at filling in the gaps for their coaches. They let Vogels crappy offense tank them and tried to go around what was clearly a tactical problem with massive personnel change (Westbrook). Ham was supposed to be this great charismatic locker room presence but lost half the locker room in year 2 due poor decision making (rotations, playcalling lapses, ect.)

By in large the organization is terrible at problem-solving because they stink at even identifying problems. BUT if they're willing to NOW throw money at problems all this might turn out alright.
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Post#1127 » by xb3at band1tx » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:20 am

Slava wrote:I think Donovan has been a success given what he’s been dealt. It sucks he had to go right into the Chicago Bulls black hole.

Yeah, was honestly impressed with that OKC year he had with old CP3 and spare parts
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Post#1128 » by thebigbird » Sat Jun 8, 2024 4:52 am

In an ideal world LeBron won’t even be on this Lakers team.
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Post#1129 » by D.Brasco » Sat Jun 8, 2024 5:15 am

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LeBron may want to stick around until 45 like Tom Brady just on this alone.
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Post#1130 » by ardee » Sat Jun 8, 2024 5:18 am

D.Brasco wrote:
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Players must receive 50 percent of any media deal under the collective bargaining agreement reached with the NBPA, which runs through the 2029-30 season. It’s important to note that funds from the new TV deal wouldn’t be reflected in the salary cap until the 2025-26 season, at which point they would be rolled out as incremental 10 percent increases year-over-year for the life of the deal.


LeBron may want to stick around until 45 like Tom Brady just on this alone.


As it stands I could still see him being a 24-7-7 guy at that age tbh. What he accomplished these past two seasons really makes me think that nothing is beyond him.
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Post#1131 » by D.Brasco » Sat Jun 8, 2024 5:55 am

ardee wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
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Players must receive 50 percent of any media deal under the collective bargaining agreement reached with the NBPA, which runs through the 2029-30 season. It’s important to note that funds from the new TV deal wouldn’t be reflected in the salary cap until the 2025-26 season, at which point they would be rolled out as incremental 10 percent increases year-over-year for the life of the deal.


LeBron may want to stick around until 45 like Tom Brady just on this alone.


As it stands I could still see him being a 24-7-7 guy at that age tbh. What he accomplished these past two seasons really makes me think that nothing is beyond him.


This past season especially, I think we all reassessed just how crazy LeBron's longevity really is. He missed quite a few games the last few seasons due to injuries which is typical for age but in year 21 at 39 he ends up playing his most regular season games since 2018.
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Post#1132 » by rk2023 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 7:39 pm

ardee wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
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Players must receive 50 percent of any media deal under the collective bargaining agreement reached with the NBPA, which runs through the 2029-30 season. It’s important to note that funds from the new TV deal wouldn’t be reflected in the salary cap until the 2025-26 season, at which point they would be rolled out as incremental 10 percent increases year-over-year for the life of the deal.


LeBron may want to stick around until 45 like Tom Brady just on this alone.


As it stands I could still see him being a 24-7-7 guy at that age tbh. What he accomplished these past two seasons really makes me think that nothing is beyond him.


Having the statistical footprint of a fringe top 5 guy in the league at this age in spite of all the mileage , past injuries since 2021 , and declined first-step & overall speed as a downhill attacker is a testament to James’ adaptability and feel. It’s just remarkable.

A big reason I want Hurley as the next Laker coach is to see James embrace the challenge of aging into a hyper-efficient player with fairly low T.O.P. on ball for however long he has left
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Post#1133 » by ardee » Sun Jun 9, 2024 9:10 am

rk2023 wrote:
ardee wrote:
D.Brasco wrote:
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LeBron may want to stick around until 45 like Tom Brady just on this alone.


As it stands I could still see him being a 24-7-7 guy at that age tbh. What he accomplished these past two seasons really makes me think that nothing is beyond him.


Having the statistical footprint of a fringe top 5 guy in the league at this age in spite of all the mileage , past injuries since 2021 , and declined first-step & overall speed as a downhill attacker is a testament to James’ adaptability and feel. It’s just remarkable.

A big reason I want Hurley as the next Laker coach is to see James embrace the challenge of aging into a hyper-efficient player with fairly low T.O.P. on ball for however long he has left


I don't really know anything about Hurley. I want a coach that has the best chance of helping them win another chip, so if he fits that role I'm all for it.
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Post#1134 » by ardee » Mon Jun 10, 2024 10:39 am

rk2023 wrote:
Having the statistical footprint of a fringe top 5 guy in the league at this age in spite of all the mileage , past injuries since 2021 , and declined first-step & overall speed as a downhill attacker is a testament to James’ adaptability and feel. It’s just remarkable.

A big reason I want Hurley as the next Laker coach is to see James embrace the challenge of aging into a hyper-efficient player with fairly low T.O.P. on ball for however long he has left


With how bad Tatum has been in the Finals so far, I'd go ahead and upgrade LeBron from fringe top 5 to top 5 period. Someone said earlier in the thread that you still wouldn't take anyone other than Jokic over him in the Playoffs when healthy, I'd probably add Luka to that but yeah that is really it.

Could've easily won 1-2 more titles the last 4 years on a better run team. Just imagine him on Miami in place of Butler.... oh that is a nice thread idea.
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Post#1136 » by thebigbird » Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:54 pm

I’ll be so disappointed if he resigns with the Lakers. He’s every bit as good as Jason Tatum, for example. The reason he’s not competing for rings the past few years is because he’s stuck with this poverty franchise. Go out with a bang, King. Gtfo of LA.
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Post#1137 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:56 pm

At this point, LeBron should leave. The Lakers had the next Pop or Spo level coach practically begging for the job and were too cheap to get the deal done.
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Post#1138 » by thebigbird » Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:59 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:At this point, LeBron should leave. The Lakers had the next Pop or Spo level coach practically begging for the job and were too cheap to get the deal done.

But but LeBron makes all the decisions….


The Lakers would look like a completely different team if they had just let LeBron make the decisions from the jump. But their incompetence and/or ulterior motives completely sunk them.
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Post#1139 » by Slava » Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:21 pm

The nba finals is being coached by Joseph Mazulla of the Christian faith and Jason Kidd. Let’s give it a rest about a coach being the dealbreaker here.
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Post#1140 » by Mos_Heat » Mon Jun 10, 2024 6:22 pm

As usuall these losers got played by Woj. Amazing
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