The Lebron Thread | 2021 & Offseason

[kayess]

Because I'm not a fan of neither Shcroder nor Harrell. I think they spent to much resources for bench guys

Clips finished 2nd/5th on offense/defense. To me they didn't lose much if any on offense, and got better defensively

I mean theyre bench guys that played the most minutes overall in their team

I dont really see how

Rondo/green/dwight/javale

Schroder/matthrws/marc/harrell

Isnt a huge upgrade

A bit bummed we couldnt get glenn rob 3 or batum tho ngl

It's a huge upgrade in a vacuum. But they don't really need much from a C spot, cuz their best C is AD. And their best PG is Lebron, so the fit is more important than an overall level of players. To me someone like Patty Mills or George Hill and Dwight would've been better than Schroder and Harrell

Your argument essentially boils down to their best players are at C and PG, so they don't need much there? That's just so highly disingenuous, tbh.

AD needed help covering Jokic, Gasol helps out there and he's a great fit with both LeBron and AD. Harrell can help keep leads, eat huge minutes himself to help the guys stay fresh. Good fit with LeBron (obviously Ibaka's even better), TBD with AD, but a small lineup with 2 shooters, Bron, Harrell, and AD seems like a great lineup still. And he's someone you can probably flip too

At PG: I mean we know LeBron teams NEED that secondary playmaker to help the non-LeBron minutes. Schroder is that guy, can score himself, and can spot up and shoot. Clear upgrade over Rondo in the RS, and probably won't be as good as Rondo's best in the PS, but on average will probably be even. Similar to Harrell, helps keep leads when LeBron is out and reduces his minutes.

I mean even by your logic these are good moves, I'm just not seeing it. I don't think theyre' an A+++ or anything like that but C+ seems laughably low

[Mos_Heat]

I mean theyre bench guys that played the most minutes overall in their team

I dont really see how

Rondo/green/dwight/javale

Schroder/matthrws/marc/harrell

Isnt a huge upgrade

A bit bummed we couldnt get glenn rob 3 or batum tho ngl

It's a huge upgrade in a vacuum. But they don't really need much from a C spot, cuz their best C is AD. And their best PG is Lebron, so the fit is more important than an overall level of players. To me someone like Patty Mills or George Hill and Dwight would've been better than Schroder and Harrell

Your argument essentially boils down to their best players are at C and PG, so they don't need much there? That's just so highly disingenuous, tbh.

AD needed help covering Jokic, Gasol helps out there and he's a great fit with both LeBron and AD. Harrell can help keep leads, eat huge minutes himself to help the guys stay fresh. Good fit with LeBron (obviously Ibaka's even better), TBD with AD, but a small lineup with 2 shooters, Bron, Harrell, and AD seems like a great lineup still. And he's someone you can probably flip too

At PG: I mean we know LeBron teams NEED that secondary playmaker to help the non-LeBron minutes. Schroder is that guy, can score himself, and can spot up and shoot. Clear upgrade over Rondo in the RS, and probably won't be as good as Rondo's best in the PS, but on average will probably be even. Similar to Harrell, helps keep leads when LeBron is out and reduces his minutes.

I mean even by your logic these are good moves, I'm just not seeing it. I don't think theyre' an A+++ or anything like that but C+ seems laughably low

Not that they don't need much, they need different types of players. Both Harrell and Schroder are mostly scorers, who can't shoot and are questionable defenders. I would have chosen diffrent kind of players, but I understand why these two are appealing.

C+ is above average. Considering opportunity cost and not perfect fit of their main moves, I think that's a fair grade

[The Master]

Both Harrell and Schroder are mostly scorers, who can't shoot and are questionable defenders. I would have chosen diffrent kind of players, but I understand why these two are appealing.

Lakers traded Green and pick for Schroder, because last season Dennis was:
1) comfortable in lineups with multiple ballhandlers
2) very solid as a spot up shooter
3) suprisingly good as a defender

... while Lakers needed exactly that.

If he turns out to be ''mostly scorer who can't shoot'' and will be ''a questionable defender'', then yeah, you are probably right in your evaluation.

If he's able to repeat his last season in Lakers jersey, then he is very good fit for this team.

I can agree that there are too many question marks to be as optimistic as some folks are about this offseason. But I also believe that Howard's or Rondo's resurgences were directly related to Lakers' schemes on offense and defense: Lakers had perfect star power and great coaching to make the most of its roster. And fortunately nothing has changed in that department.

[xb3at band1tx]

DS is starting, I don't mind it since it's clear LeBron wants someone else out there to set him up. Last year out of necessity he had to do it 24/7 day in day out.

I think Caruso x KCP will have good synergy with Trezz

[kayess]

Both Harrell and Schroder are mostly scorers, who can't shoot and are questionable defenders. I would have chosen diffrent kind of players, but I understand why these two are appealing.

Lakers traded Green and pick for Schroder, because last season Dennis was:
1) comfortable in lineups with multiple ballhandlers
2) very solid as a spot up shooter
3) suprisingly good as a defender

... while Lakers needed exactly that.

If he turns out to be ''mostly scorer who can't shoot'' and will be ''a questionable defender'', then yeah, you are probably right in your evaluation.

If he's able to repeat his last season in Lakers jersey, then he is very good fit for this team.

I can agree that there are too many question marks to be as optimistic as some folks are about this offseason. But I also believe that Howard's or Rondo's resurgences were directly related to Lakers' schemes on offense and defense: Lakers had perfect star power and great coaching to make the most of its roster. And fortunately nothing has changed in that department.

@Mos_Heat. Perhaps it's a perception thing on my end. C+ to me screams "average", and above average is more B-B+.

This exactly. I don't think those are huge question marks around Schroder.

Harrell's D is a much bigger question mark ofc (though I think he can probably guard some wings/4s with his length?), and his non-shooting doesn't bother me as much considering LeBron's played with the likes of Birdman and made them look like a million Bucks. One non-shooter on the floor is not ideal, but not disastrous esp if they bring a ton elsewhere.

I'm not overly optimistic either. Remains to be seen whether Matthews is a lateral move from Green, whether Gasol isn't washed (data from last year says otherwise, but we'll see), etc.

I think it all depends on whether you think Ibaka was gettable and there was a way to keep Dwight.

[xb3at band1tx]

Gasol is gonne look good next to LeBron.

The Lakers offense won't suffer the way Toronto's did. They have plenty of movement to create passing lanes for Gasol to create plays.

[nzahir]

I don't expect Alfonzo to be on this team for too long, but who knows

Schroeder expects to start apparently, hmm...

Schroder, Wes, Bron, AD, Gasol?
AC, KCP, Kuzma, Kieff, Trez

How will this work out? Will need 1 of Schorder or Bron always out there

Still need a backup pg or combo guard for sure.

Napier, Reggie, Mudiay, Lin?

[MyUniBroDavis]

It's a huge upgrade in a vacuum. But they don't really need much from a C spot, cuz their best C is AD. And their best PG is Lebron, so the fit is more important than an overall level of players. To me someone like Patty Mills or George Hill and Dwight would've been better than Schroder and Harrell

Your argument essentially boils down to their best players are at C and PG, so they don't need much there? That's just so highly disingenuous, tbh.

AD needed help covering Jokic, Gasol helps out there and he's a great fit with both LeBron and AD. Harrell can help keep leads, eat huge minutes himself to help the guys stay fresh. Good fit with LeBron (obviously Ibaka's even better), TBD with AD, but a small lineup with 2 shooters, Bron, Harrell, and AD seems like a great lineup still. And he's someone you can probably flip too

At PG: I mean we know LeBron teams NEED that secondary playmaker to help the non-LeBron minutes. Schroder is that guy, can score himself, and can spot up and shoot. Clear upgrade over Rondo in the RS, and probably won't be as good as Rondo's best in the PS, but on average will probably be even. Similar to Harrell, helps keep leads when LeBron is out and reduces his minutes.

I mean even by your logic these are good moves, I'm just not seeing it. I don't think theyre' an A+++ or anything like that but C+ seems laughably low

Not that they don't need much, they need different types of players. Both Harrell and Schroder are mostly scorers, who can't shoot and are questionable defenders. I would have chosen diffrent kind of players, but I understand why these two are appealing.

C+ is above average. Considering opportunity cost and not perfect fit of their main moves, I think that's a fair grade

I get being sketched out on the harrell signing, but defensively hes gonna be playing at the 4 vs the 5, i prefer ADs offense at the 5 but the th ing that makes him impactful as a 5 is his drfense

I really dont know why you keep saying schroder is a questionable defender lol, the only thing is hes small but he was a pretty big positive on D by pretty much everything last year. He also shot pretty well altho if he loses his jumper that changes everythubg

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[apeezus]

Still need a backup pg or combo guard for sure.

Napier, Reggie, Mudiay, Lin?

THT is comfortably better than any of those guys.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Dudley back

We just need a center and id be happy. Dedmond prolly the best guy to get now

[nzahir]

Still need a backup pg or combo guard for sure.

Napier, Reggie, Mudiay, Lin?

THT is comfortably better than any of those guys.

THT isn't a backup pg...

[Greyhound]

I don't expect Alfonzo to be on this team for too long, but who knows

Schroeder expects to start apparently, hmm...

Schroder, Wes, Bron, AD, Gasol?
AC, KCP, Kuzma, Kieff, Trez

How will this work out? Will need 1 of Schorder or Bron always out there

Still need a backup pg or combo guard for sure.

Napier, Reggie, Mudiay, Lin?

I don’t see KCP coming off the bench.

If Schroder was promised to start, Mathews will be going to the bench.

[Mos_Heat]

Your argument essentially boils down to their best players are at C and PG, so they don't need much there? That's just so highly disingenuous, tbh.

AD needed help covering Jokic, Gasol helps out there and he's a great fit with both LeBron and AD. Harrell can help keep leads, eat huge minutes himself to help the guys stay fresh. Good fit with LeBron (obviously Ibaka's even better), TBD with AD, but a small lineup with 2 shooters, Bron, Harrell, and AD seems like a great lineup still. And he's someone you can probably flip too

At PG: I mean we know LeBron teams NEED that secondary playmaker to help the non-LeBron minutes. Schroder is that guy, can score himself, and can spot up and shoot. Clear upgrade over Rondo in the RS, and probably won't be as good as Rondo's best in the PS, but on average will probably be even. Similar to Harrell, helps keep leads when LeBron is out and reduces his minutes.

I mean even by your logic these are good moves, I'm just not seeing it. I don't think theyre' an A+++ or anything like that but C+ seems laughably low

Not that they don't need much, they need different types of players. Both Harrell and Schroder are mostly scorers, who can't shoot and are questionable defenders. I would have chosen diffrent kind of players, but I understand why these two are appealing.

C+ is above average. Considering opportunity cost and not perfect fit of their main moves, I think that's a fair grade

I get being sketched out on the harrell signing, but defensively hes gonna be playing at the 4 vs the 5, i prefer ADs offense at the 5 but the th ing that makes him impactful as a 5 is his drfense

I really dont know why you keep saying schroder is a questionable defender lol, the only thing is hes small but he was a pretty big positive on D by pretty much everything last year. He also shot pretty well altho if he loses his jumper that changes everythubg

He's good as a point of attack defender, but can't switch and completely useless around the rim and not as cerebral as Rondo in reading passing lanes. Best case scenario he can hold up against his position, which is fine, but might not be good enough against certain teams

[MyUniBroDavis]

Not that they don't need much, they need different types of players. Both Harrell and Schroder are mostly scorers, who can't shoot and are questionable defenders. I would have chosen diffrent kind of players, but I understand why these two are appealing.

C+ is above average. Considering opportunity cost and not perfect fit of their main moves, I think that's a fair grade

I get being sketched out on the harrell signing, but defensively hes gonna be playing at the 4 vs the 5, i prefer ADs offense at the 5 but the th ing that makes him impactful as a 5 is his drfense

I really dont know why you keep saying schroder is a questionable defender lol, the only thing is hes small but he was a pretty big positive on D by pretty much everything last year. He also shot pretty well altho if he loses his jumper that changes everythubg

He's good as a point of attack defender, but can't switch and completely useless around the rim and not as cerebral as Rondo in reading passing lanes. Best case scenario he can hold up against his position, which is fine, but might not be good enough against certain teams

I agree he isnt as good at team D than rondo but rondos also just such a glaring hole on defense if we run man, schroder isnt gonna guard 3-5s but at the end of the day we'll be able to make sure he doesnt get attacked the way i think your worried of

In respect to him vs rondo defensivelt i def would take him in a heartbeat. Rondo looked good in flashes but as a whole his defense was as bad as it was in the RS in man situations

I agree that we def got scorers over super defender guys but i get not wanting to have that load on bron and AD. Schroders got a pretty nice jumper from last uear though

I really hope harrell pans out defensively, i think he'll break out on that end a bit

[dcstanley]

I understand the concern for both the Schroeder and Harrell moves but I think the Lakers needed to be more dynamic on offense. The offensive woes demonstrated throughout last season were only alleviated in the playoffs because of (likely) unsustainable play from a 35 year old Rondo and some mega hot shooting from AD. If they ran it back with that same roster I doubt they end up so lucky. They needed guys who can put the ball on the ground and create shots. Lebron and AD next to players that can actually put pressure on the defense is going to make their lives so much easier. If worst comes to worst, they maintained the best players from last season and can still run some of their best playoff lineups.

[Freighttrain]

DS is starting, I don't mind it since it's clear LeBron wants someone else out there to set him up. Last year out of necessity he had to do it 24/7 day in day out.

I think Caruso x KCP will have good synergy with Trezz

Apparently it's not clear yet that Schröder will effectively start according to the Lakers, even if he desires to do so. He also basically said LeBron is old and he needs a PG, not sure LeBron agrees with that as well

[nzahir]

I don't expect Alfonzo to be on this team for too long, but who knows

Schroeder expects to start apparently, hmm...

Schroder, Wes, Bron, AD, Gasol?
AC, KCP, Kuzma, Kieff, Trez

How will this work out? Will need 1 of Schorder or Bron always out there

Still need a backup pg or combo guard for sure.

Napier, Reggie, Mudiay, Lin?

I don’t see KCP coming off the bench.

If Schroder was promised to start, Mathews will be going to the bench.

So say we play LAC, Boston, or Miami in the regular season, who is guarding Kawhi, PG, Tatum, and Butler?

KCP is too thin for those guys

Or maybe those guys we go Wes or AD plays the 5. Lebron and AD can also take on the challenge if they want, but I think we save that for the playoffs

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Great for him to acknowledge and show his respect towards LeBron.

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