RealGM Top 100 LIST- 2014

ardee · Post #121 » by **ardee** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:35 pm

I'm not alone here in this...

It's a plea to the mods to make an exception.

Can we have mysticbb back? He is a GREAT poster despite the fact that I disagree with some of his opinions.

It'll be for the good of the project.

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HeartBreakKid · Post #122 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:12 pm

What's the criteria for this?

Btw, I think if regulars would like to join I don't see the problem with them coming in, especially this early in the project.

JordansBulls · Post #123 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 1:14 am

Are you going to link the thread for each one to make it easier to reference later like the 2011 and 2008 threads?

kayess · Post #124 » by **kayess** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:02 am

ardee wrote:I'm not alone here in this...

It's a plea to the mods to make an exception.

Can we have mysticbb back? He is a GREAT poster despite the fact that I disagree with some of his opinions.

It'll be for the good of the project.

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I second this.

Isn't he German, iirc? That may explain his incredible bluntness when talking to people trying to "refute" his points. Regardless of background anyway, we absolutely NEED this guy in the project.

JordansBulls · Post #125 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:13 am

kayess wrote:
I second this.

Isn't he German, iirc? That may explain his incredible bluntness when talking to people trying to "refute" his points.

Didn't know that. He was a great poster IMO. And I love Germany as well mainly for it's history and beer.

sp6r=underrated · Post #126 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:23 am

yea he was German

Post #127 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:17 pm

JordansBulls wrote:Are you going to link the thread for each one to make it easier to reference later like the 2011 and 2008 threads?

Yes

HeartBreakKid · Post #128 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:53 pm

Maybe we should have brought nominations back. It kinda gave a buffer to talk about guys coming up and educate/sway peoples opinions on players before time for the real vote.

The way I see it, I don't get how anyone is supposed to come in and swag everyone's opinions with a mere 48 hours. What's going to happen on pick 45, when someone wants to make a case for someone like Elvin Hayes, when other people might be thinking more famous/known players, that individual will have no time to really make his case at all.

The nominee preliminary gave the debating portion more merit in practice.

JordansBulls · Post #129 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 5:12 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:yea he was German

bummer. He and Tom Chambers were both good posters.

ardee · Post #130 » by **ardee** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 7:41 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
kayess wrote:
I second this.

Isn't he German, iirc? That may explain his incredible bluntness when talking to people trying to "refute" his points.

Didn't know that. He was a great poster IMO. And I love Germany as well mainly for it's history and beer.

The only think I like about Germany is Dirk and a few of their soccer players. Byt fair game.

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Post #131 » by **Texas Chuck** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 7:46 pm

being German doesn't make you act like a total jerk to anyone and everyone who dares question you in any way.

He may be a great contributor, but frankly I don't miss him in this project or on the boards. Guy was literally given a billion chances to play with the group and he made his own decision.

Kind of feels like a real slap in the face to a number of other guys in the project who provide every bit the quality of statistical info he does yet know how to speak with people without insulting them.

I wasnt involved in any form in his ban, but it also feels like a slap in the face to those mods who were that people are acting like they committed some travesty of justice. They did not.

HeartBreakKid · Post #132 » by **HeartBreakKid** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 3:36 am

Can you guys please remember to bold your votes? I've seen some unofficially tallies and they're off.

lorak · Post #133 » by **lorak** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 4:00 am

Texas Chuck wrote:
Kind of feels like a real slap in the face to a number of other guys in the project who provide every bit the quality of statistical info he does yet know how to speak with people without insulting them.

What someone says is much more important than how he does it. (BTW, some people here are too sensitive, they take some things too personally, what is odd, because after all it's just internet board and information is the only important thing here, not some emotions.) And mystic is the best statistician on realGM (I'm not counting EvanZ, who posts rarely), so top 100 project obviously miss his contribution very much.

D Nice · Post #134 » by **D Nice** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 4:19 am

lorak wrote: And mystic is the best statistician on realGM.

This SCREAMS for an "in my opinion" qualification. I'm not even sure how one would glean that from message board posts. If you're talking about meaningful contributions to new ways of thinking about things (or at least digesting data) it'd probably be Elgee or Doc. If you're talking about contextualization I'm pretty sure I could come up with a handful of other takes I'd rather have (even present company excluded).

Or is it that he make posts that support a player you like?

Also, even if this were somehow to be arranged, how do you let someone know they're unbanned in time for participation in the project? Assume that they still lurk anyway?

sp6r=underrated · Post #135 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 7:02 pm

I'm going to try to refrain from referring to RAPM, APM and other similar stats as "impact" stats. Instead I will refer to them as the on/off family of stats. I will use the term counting stats to refer to what is known as box score stats and the new video tracking stats.

Impact on this forum refers to how much a player improves his team. Impact in essence is how good a player is. When evaluating players my primary interest is how much they can improve a team. They should be the primary interest of everyone in player evaluations.

RAPM, APM and others are not impact. Those stats are statistical measurements of differences in team performance with a player on the court against not being on the court adjusted for environmental factors. All they measure is that difference.

It is asserted by some that that is really all you need or the vast majority of what you need to evaluate impact. That assertion has not been conclusively established. I myself reject that assertion. IMO, there is significant value in the box score in determining impact and I incorporate it in my analysis of impact. As such it is inaccurate for me to refer to on/off stats as impact stats as that label does not reflect my beliefs.

The purpose of language is to communicate. As such I will generally defer to the common usage of terms in a community even if I feel they are not precise. In this case I can no longer do that because I believe the label of impact for on/off stats has negative implications.

This will be a hard change to make as I've been in the habit of using these terms in the common manner. Being that I feel the common manner is misleading I will no longer do so. There may be some backslides.

Post #136 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 9:16 pm

lorak wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
Kind of feels like a real slap in the face to a number of other guys in the project who provide every bit the quality of statistical info he does yet know how to speak with people without insulting them.

What someone says is much more important than how he does it. (BTW, some people here are too sensitive, they take some things too personally, what is odd, because after all it's just internet board and information is the only important thing here, not some emotions.) And mystic is the best statistician on realGM (I'm not counting EvanZ, who posts rarely), so top 100 project obviously miss his contribution very much.

As a general statement, I find it hard to debate with posters who aren't openminded at all, and beat a dead horse on opinions that are just that, opinions. We all feel very strongly about certain NBA topics / players, or else we wouldn't be here. That said, it gets frustrating and ultimately personal as time goes on.

john248 · Post #137 » by **john248** » Wed Jul 2, 2014 11:49 pm

Damn is it too late to get in on this?

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Post #138 » by **penbeast0** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 10:28 pm

I will be looking at the people who have asked to join the project. If they posted here or PM'd me and engaged in constructive and meaningful debate in the Top 100 #2 thread, I will add them to the list.

BTW, I don't have any real problem going back to 1947, the first year basketball-reference.com posts BAA stats, if people want to take the project back that far. I set the cutoff at NBA/ABA to simplify things but that may be a bit unfair to Mikan in terms of longevity/impact etc. so I will back it up a bit further if people want me to.

Dr Positivity · Post #139 » by **Dr Positivity** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:20 pm

I hate to be a snitch but I'm probably one of 10 people to notice it, so it was going to come out...

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1332342

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1124374

I'd normally advocate letting someone stay in the project if they behave, but RGM rules about banned posters is the main problem

kayess · Post #140 » by **kayess** » Thu Jul 3, 2014 11:48 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I hate to be a snitch but I'm probably one of 10 people to notice it, so it was going to come out...

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1332342

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1124374

I'd normally advocate letting someone stay in the project if they behave, but RGM rules about banned posters is the main problem

I don't get it...