Jalyen Brown vs Pascal Siakam

[Feed Your Head]

What has surprised me this year is how much Siakam goes ISO, around 21% of the time. I would not have guessed that, is three times more than Jaylen, who is more of a catch and shoot/pullup from outside type.

They are just really different players.

[Joshyjess]

This thread reminds me of the old Miller Lite commercial - Tastes Great!!!! Less Filling!!!!! Tastes Great!!!! Less Filling!!!

[BlackThought]

I know Siakam struggles a lot when Jaylen Brown defends him.

[DroseReturnChi]

Both are in their primes but Siakam is 2.5 years older.

not only significantly older, but the difference in contract is ridiculous.
and talent level is not even close.

[Childs]

Now im expecting pascal to be like 2/14, 4 assists, and 4 rebounds with 6 TOs against the bulls....

[HumbleRen]

Siakam impacts a game more than Jaylen imo so I'll go with Siakam.

That will come to Jaylen when he gets more experience.

[Duffman100]

“It’s not even close” when in fact it’s very close. A realgm classic line.

[Feed Your Head]

Now im expecting pascal to be like 2/14, 4 assists, and 4 rebounds with 6 TOs against the bulls....

When Celtics players have amazing games or streaks, I post on our board not to make a jinx thread on the GB.

It never fails.

[Patsfan1081]

All this thread tells me is that fans are going to of course be partial to their own team and use cherry picked stats to make their arguments. Its also a little odd that no one brings up playoff performance……

[kanersen]

Brown is a dynamic scorer.
Siakam's just dynamic.
Next.

[VanWest82]

I don't know if this is fair to Pascal, but Brown did outplay him in that series a few years ago while also guarding him. I don't expect it will significantly impact who takes who, but I can't ignore it as nothing. It might not translate over the season, but I feel Brown's versatility does show up in the playoffs.

It's not like that series was a completely isolated event either as Brown has always defended Siakam well, but in fairness to Pascal he was not his usual self in the bubble (which is on him because he was totally unprepared to play). But I also have this issue where I can't completely get over their H2Hs even though it's kinda dumb to compare players like that.

[Kingdibs19]

Pascal and it’s not even close.

[Duffman100]

Pascal and it’s not even close.

It is in fact very close.

[Patsfan1081]

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You forgot Jaylen being a far better defender. Brown destroyed him in their playoff matchup.

It's comical that ignorant folks like you guys continue to use the bubble performance from Siakam 1.5years ago to make conclusions.
As many others have already pointed Siakam hadn't touched a basketball for several months and was incapable of doing anything in the bubble. He was so bad in the bubble that he struggled mightily against the Nets in the first round who were a team full of G-Leaguers (Plus LeVert).
People act like Brown did something magical against Pascal in the second round but that's just nonsense.

Here's some facts for you:

Siakam while being defended by Brown in the bubble playoffs shot 44% from the field, 2/12 from deep, and had 3 turnovers.

Brown while being defended by Siakam in the bubble playoffs shot 34% from the field, 4/17 from deep, and had 4 turnovers.

So yeah you got it twisted, its actually Siakam that put the clamps on Brown. Not the other way around.



With that being said, this is the right answer to the Jaylen Brown vs. Pascal Siakam debate:

I think it’s relatively close, Jaylen a better scorer for sure, but Siakam better at everything else.

I'm a pretty big fan of Brown and would love him on my squad but that comment is spot on. Jaylen's outside shooting separates him from Siakam in the scoring department but Siakam is better at literally everything else.

The advanced statistics favor Siakam as well over Brown.

If the question is which player is better of the two, I'd say Siakam. If the question is which player would I rather have/build around, it depends on which team.

No one touched the ball during the stoppage of play, why do people keep using this excuse?, And “litterally everything else” What is everything else? Defensively Siakam isnt. Neither one is a good passer. Renounding, blocks…..well one is the much bigger player, but in the context of their position? People are using Siakam’s size/length as a pro like he’s Giannis…. It would be one thing if he was Giannis(who’s attributes show in his stat), however for someone who is taller and longer its not like his rebound, block, or steal % are that far off from Brown’s. And its not just outside shooting, Brown can create for himself, which is pretty significant. Siakam has been a negative both this year and last in points added by fgs over the league average. Last year is was a very marginal difference with Brown at around +44 and Siakam -73. So while things like assist numbers arent far off between the two, the way their scoring effects the their team seems to be one of the most significant differencs.

[LoveMyRaps]

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You forgot Jaylen being a far better defender. Brown destroyed him in their playoff matchup.

It's comical that ignorant folks like you guys continue to use the bubble performance from Siakam 1.5years ago to make conclusions.
As many others have already pointed Siakam hadn't touched a basketball for several months and was incapable of doing anything in the bubble. He was so bad in the bubble that he struggled mightily against the Nets in the first round who were a team full of G-Leaguers (Plus LeVert).
People act like Brown did something magical against Pascal in the second round but that's just nonsense.

Here's some facts for you:

Siakam while being defended by Brown in the bubble playoffs shot 44% from the field, 2/12 from deep, and had 3 turnovers.

Brown while being defended by Siakam in the bubble playoffs shot 34% from the field, 4/17 from deep, and had 4 turnovers.

So yeah you got it twisted, its actually Siakam that put the clamps on Brown. Not the other way around.



With that being said, this is the right answer to the Jaylen Brown vs. Pascal Siakam debate:

I think it’s relatively close, Jaylen a better scorer for sure, but Siakam better at everything else.

I'm a pretty big fan of Brown and would love him on my squad but that comment is spot on. Jaylen's outside shooting separates him from Siakam in the scoring department but Siakam is better at literally everything else.

The advanced statistics favor Siakam as well over Brown.

If the question is which player is better of the two, I'd say Siakam. If the question is which player would I rather have/build around, it depends on which team.

No one touched the ball during the stoppage of play, why do people keep using this excuse?, And “litterally everything else” What is everything else? Defensively Siakam isnt. Neither one is a good passer. Renounding, blocks…..well one is the much bigger player, but in the context of their position? People are using Siakam’s size/length as a pro like he’s Giannis…. It would be one thing if he was Giannis(who’s attributes show in his stat), however for someone who is taller and longer its not like his rebound, block, or steal % are that far off from Brown’s. And its not just outside shooting, Brown can create for himself, which is pretty significant. Siakam has been a negative both this year and last in points added by fgs over the league average. Last year is was a very marginal difference with Brown at around +44 and Siakam -73. So while things like assist numbers arent far off between the two, the way their scoring effects the their team seems to be one of the most significant differencs.

Yeah, I'm gonna just stop reading your post right there. Not gonna waste my time debating with someone that has little to none credibility.

[Patsfan1081]

I don't know if this is fair to Pascal, but Brown did outplay him in that series a few years ago while also guarding him. I don't expect it will significantly impact who takes who, but I can't ignore it as nothing. It might not translate over the season, but I feel Brown's versatility does show up in the playoffs.

It's not like that series was a completely isolated event either as Brown has always defended Siakam well, but in fairness to Pascal he was not his usual self in the bubble (which is on him because he was totally unprepared to play). But I also have this issue where I can't completely get over their H2Hs even though it's kinda dumb to compare players like that.

People keep brining up the bubble but on paper Brown did have the better season last year and Siakam the year pryor. This isn’t to say one is better than the other. Honestly I think Siakam would be a much better fit on Boston than Brown. However some of the justifications for poor play are reaching. No one was theirselves in the bubble, Tatum didnt pick up a ball during the time off either. And being injured isnt a positive on the argument front, for either.

[Patsfan1081]

It's comical that ignorant folks like you guys continue to use the bubble performance from Siakam 1.5years ago to make conclusions.
As many others have already pointed Siakam hadn't touched a basketball for several months and was incapable of doing anything in the bubble. He was so bad in the bubble that he struggled mightily against the Nets in the first round who were a team full of G-Leaguers (Plus LeVert).
People act like Brown did something magical against Pascal in the second round but that's just nonsense.

Here's some facts for you:

Siakam while being defended by Brown in the bubble playoffs shot 44% from the field, 2/12 from deep, and had 3 turnovers.

Brown while being defended by Siakam in the bubble playoffs shot 34% from the field, 4/17 from deep, and had 4 turnovers.

So yeah you got it twisted, its actually Siakam that put the clamps on Brown. Not the other way around.



With that being said, this is the right answer to the Jaylen Brown vs. Pascal Siakam debate:


I'm a pretty big fan of Brown and would love him on my squad but that comment is spot on. Jaylen's outside shooting separates him from Siakam in the scoring department but Siakam is better at literally everything else.

The advanced statistics favor Siakam as well over Brown.

If the question is which player is better of the two, I'd say Siakam. If the question is which player would I rather have/build around, it depends on which team.

No one touched the ball during the stoppage of play, why do people keep using this excuse?, And “litterally everything else” What is everything else? Defensively Siakam isnt. Neither one is a good passer. Renounding, blocks…..well one is the much bigger player, but in the context of their position? People are using Siakam’s size/length as a pro like he’s Giannis…. It would be one thing if he was Giannis(who’s attributes show in his stat), however for someone who is taller and longer its not like his rebound, block, or steal % are that far off from Brown’s. And its not just outside shooting, Brown can create for himself, which is pretty significant. Siakam has been a negative both this year and last in points added by fgs over the league average. Last year is was a very marginal difference with Brown at around +44 and Siakam -73. So while things like assist numbers arent far off between the two, the way their scoring effects the their team seems to be one of the most significant differencs.

Yeah, I'm gonna just stop reading your post right there. Not gonna waste my time debating with someone that has little to none credibility.

[Patsfan1081]

It's comical that ignorant folks like you guys continue to use the bubble performance from Siakam 1.5years ago to make conclusions.
As many others have already pointed Siakam hadn't touched a basketball for several months and was incapable of doing anything in the bubble. He was so bad in the bubble that he struggled mightily against the Nets in the first round who were a team full of G-Leaguers (Plus LeVert).
People act like Brown did something magical against Pascal in the second round but that's just nonsense.

Here's some facts for you:

Siakam while being defended by Brown in the bubble playoffs shot 44% from the field, 2/12 from deep, and had 3 turnovers.

Brown while being defended by Siakam in the bubble playoffs shot 34% from the field, 4/17 from deep, and had 4 turnovers.

So yeah you got it twisted, its actually Siakam that put the clamps on Brown. Not the other way around.



With that being said, this is the right answer to the Jaylen Brown vs. Pascal Siakam debate:


I'm a pretty big fan of Brown and would love him on my squad but that comment is spot on. Jaylen's outside shooting separates him from Siakam in the scoring department but Siakam is better at literally everything else.

The advanced statistics favor Siakam as well over Brown.

If the question is which player is better of the two, I'd say Siakam. If the question is which player would I rather have/build around, it depends on which team.

No one touched the ball during the stoppage of play, why do people keep using this excuse?, And “litterally everything else” What is everything else? Defensively Siakam isnt. Neither one is a good passer. Renounding, blocks…..well one is the much bigger player, but in the context of their position? People are using Siakam’s size/length as a pro like he’s Giannis…. It would be one thing if he was Giannis(who’s attributes show in his stat), however for someone who is taller and longer its not like his rebound, block, or steal % are that far off from Brown’s. And its not just outside shooting, Brown can create for himself, which is pretty significant. Siakam has been a negative both this year and last in points added by fgs over the league average. Last year is was a very marginal difference with Brown at around +44 and Siakam -73. So while things like assist numbers arent far off between the two, the way their scoring effects the their team seems to be one of the most significant differencs.

Yeah, I'm gonna just stop reading your post right there. Not gonna waste my time debating with someone that has little to none credibility.

Classy that you have to constantly resort to insulting opposing fans instead of bringing a sound argument. If they don’t agree with you that their either “ignorant” or “non credible”

[VanWest82]

I don't know if this is fair to Pascal, but Brown did outplay him in that series a few years ago while also guarding him. I don't expect it will significantly impact who takes who, but I can't ignore it as nothing. It might not translate over the season, but I feel Brown's versatility does show up in the playoffs.

It's not like that series was a completely isolated event either as Brown has always defended Siakam well, but in fairness to Pascal he was not his usual self in the bubble (which is on him because he was totally unprepared to play). But I also have this issue where I can't completely get over their H2Hs even though it's kinda dumb to compare players like that.

People keep brining up the bubble but on paper Brown did have the better season last year and Siakam the year pryor. This isn’t to say one is better than the other. Honestly I think Siakam would be a much better fit on Boston than Brown. However some of the justifications for poor play are reaching. No one was theirselves in the bubble, Tatum didnt pick up a ball during the time off either. And being injured isnt a positive on the argument front, for either.

Maybe Tatum was "off the couch" to the same degree Siakam was, maybe he wasn't. That's sure not how it looked. And Siakam's level of out-of-shape led to a series of injuries that lasted until this year. Now he's finally back to what he was pre-covid. I agree that should probably be baked into the analysis (i.e. Brown is mentally and physically stronger) but when both guys are at their best I think there's a good argument to be had.

[LoveMyRaps]

No one touched the ball during the stoppage of play, why do people keep using this excuse?, And “litterally everything else” What is everything else? Defensively Siakam isnt. Neither one is a good passer. Renounding, blocks…..well one is the much bigger player, but in the context of their position? People are using Siakam’s size/length as a pro like he’s Giannis…. It would be one thing if he was Giannis(who’s attributes show in his stat), however for someone who is taller and longer its not like his rebound, block, or steal % are that far off from Brown’s. And its not just outside shooting, Brown can create for himself, which is pretty significant. Siakam has been a negative both this year and last in points added by fgs over the league average. Last year is was a very marginal difference with Brown at around +44 and Siakam -73. So while things like assist numbers arent far off between the two, the way their scoring effects the their team seems to be one of the most significant differencs.

Yeah, I'm gonna just stop reading your post right there. Not gonna waste my time debating with someone that has little to none credibility.

Classy that you have to constantly resort to insulting opposing fans instead of bringing a sound argument. If they don’t agree with you that their either “ignorant” or “non credible”

You're offended by me saying you lack credibility pertaining to this matter?
I'm sorry but I can't take you seriously if you're saying things like "Siakam isn't a good passer".
It just goes to show that you have no clue what you're talking about or that your opinion is well outdated.