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Following the 2017 and 2018 playbook, when do you guys think we should start retroactively giving Steph all the credit for the warriors turnaround. This season seems a little ambitious but maybe December or so?

The-Power · Post #131 » by **The-Power** » Sun Mar 23, 2025 10:21 pm

f4p wrote:Following the 2017 and 2018 playbook, when do you guys think we should start retroactively giving Steph all the credit for the warriors turnaround. This season seems a little ambitious but maybe December or so?

Don't worry, I have no doubts that you will personally make sure that this won't happen because it would completely eat you up and drive you insane. :lol:

parsnips33 · Post #132 » by **parsnips33** » Mon Mar 24, 2025 4:14 pm

This guys cracks me up lol

Best player getting credit for team winning? This is some kind of conspiracy

People like Steph more than the guy who lost to him every single year for half a decade? I just know that's a conspiracy

Greatest 3 point shooter of all time gets more credit for the 3 point revolution than the 3rd most impressive stat-padder of his era? Tin foil hat time

f4p · Post #133 » by **f4p** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 3:54 pm

parsnips33 wrote:This guys cracks me up lol

Best player getting credit for team winning? This is some kind of conspiracy

the 19-24 guy getting credit over the 16-3 guy would be kind of weird, though. right?

People like Steph more than the guy who lost to him every single year for half a decade? I just know that's a conspiracy

Greatest 3 point shooter of all time gets more credit for the 3 point revolution than the 3rd most impressive stat-padder of his era? Tin foil hat time

2017/18 was about KD retroactively not getting any credit for the warriors, not sure why you brought up harden. and harden had as much to do with the 3 point revolution as steph did. which is to say, about zero to do with it. someone typed 3x35% in a calculator and then typed 2x40%, realized the first number was bigger, and now we shoot 50 3's a game.

parsnips33 · Post #134 » by **parsnips33** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 6:15 pm

f4p wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:This guys cracks me up lol

Best player getting credit for team winning? This is some kind of conspiracy

the 19-24 guy getting credit over the 16-3 guy would be kind of weird, though. right?

People like Steph more than the guy who lost to him every single year for half a decade? I just know that's a conspiracy

Greatest 3 point shooter of all time gets more credit for the 3 point revolution than the 3rd most impressive stat-padder of his era? Tin foil hat time

2017/18 was about KD retroactively not getting any credit for the warriors, not sure why you brought up harden. and harden had as much to do with the 3 point revolution as steph did. which is to say, about zero to do with it. someone typed 3x35% in a calculator and then typed 2x40%, realized the first number was bigger, and now we shoot 50 3's a game.

I'm all for giving Jimmy a ton of credit for what he does, especially since a lot of it doesn't necessarily get captured well by stats. But even he would tell you who's the driving force of the Warriors. It's a team game, the fit around your best player matters. But your best player matters a ton too

As far as KD, I think an unfortunate byproduct of joining what was already one of the greatest teams of all time at that point. Gotta give him big credit for going there and making history anyways

lessthanjake · Post #135 » by **lessthanjake** » Tue Mar 25, 2025 6:45 pm

f4p wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:This guys cracks me up lol

Best player getting credit for team winning? This is some kind of conspiracy

the 19-24 guy getting credit over the 16-3 guy would be kind of weird, though. right?

This logic doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me. Obviously we’d fully expect that a team is going to do better in its games with two star players than it will in its games with one star player. That doesn’t somehow mean that the second star player added to the team must be the most important/impactful one. The fact that the Warriors are better with Jimmy Butler than without Jimmy Butler doesn’t really tell us which one of Steph or Jimmy is more impactful on the team. All it tells us is basically that Jimmy Butler is a better player and a better fit on the team than Andrew Wiggins. There’s no counterfactual where we see how the Warriors do with Jimmy Butler and Andrew Wiggins and no Steph.

parsnips33 · Post #136 » by **parsnips33** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:50 am

When is Steph gonna quit riding these guys coattails

f4p · Post #137 » by **f4p** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 1:52 am

parsnips33 wrote:When is Steph gonna quit riding these guys coattails

warriors willing to fall into the play-in to make steph look good

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TroubleS0me · Post #138 » by **TroubleS0me** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 6:38 am

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OhayoKD · Post #139 » by **OhayoKD** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:13 pm

parsnips33 wrote:This guys cracks me up lol

Best player getting credit for team winning? This is some kind of conspiracy

People like Steph more than the guy who lost to him every single year for half a decade? I just know that's a conspiracy

Greatest 3 point shooter of all time gets more credit for the 3 point revolution than the 3rd most impressive stat-padder of his era? Tin foil hat time

Giving steph credit for the improvement in trajectory that started with jimmy would be pretty weird.

lessthanjake wrote:
f4p wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:This guys cracks me up lol

Best player getting credit for team winning? This is some kind of conspiracy

the 19-24 guy getting credit over the 16-3 guy would be kind of weird, though. right?

This logic doesn’t really make a lot of sense to me. Obviously we’d fully expect that a team is going to do better in its games with two star players than it will in its games with one star player. That doesn’t somehow mean that the second star player added to the team must be the most important/impactful one. The fact that the Warriors are better with Jimmy Butler than without Jimmy Butler doesn’t really tell us which one of Steph or Jimmy is more impactful on the team. All it tells us is basically that Jimmy Butler is a better player and a better fit on the team than Andrew Wiggins. There’s no counterfactual where we see how the Warriors do with Jimmy Butler and Andrew Wiggins and no Steph.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/2025-warriors-record-with-and-without-draymond-green
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/2025-warriors-record-with-and-without-steph-curry
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/2025-warriors-record-with-and-without-jimmy-butler

Off the Warriors 3 stars, Steph's playing in games has correlated the least with winning this season

OhayoKD · Post #140 » by **OhayoKD** » Wed Mar 26, 2025 5:26 pm

parsnips33 wrote:
f4p wrote:
As far as KD, I think an unfortunate byproduct of joining what was already one of the greatest teams of all time at that point. Gotta give him big credit for going there and making history anyways

No, no we do not.

The 2017 playoffs are literally the only time the Warriors played the way they should adding an alleged top 5 player.

Do you like the trade?