RealGM Top 100 All-Time List

LLegend33 · Post #121 » by **LLegend33** » Sat Nov 1, 2008 4:15 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t14bzyBKwHE

1-8 plz.

just watch, and ull understand what i mean......

:.)

Post #122 » by **tsherkin** » Sat Nov 1, 2008 9:02 pm

LLegend33 wrote:So anyway, just b/c Magic has 3 Finals MVP's doesnt mean he deserved each one. Larry only has 2 does that make Magic better?

Is it your entire MO to try and tear down Magic?

Anyway, Magic has more Finals MVPs because he went to more Finals series than did Bird; Magic went in 9 out of 12 seasons before his first retirement and won 5 times. Kareem and Worthy each picked one up. Magic didn't really deserve it in '80 when he was a rookie, but he probably deserved Worthy's Finals MVP (because it was the same deal, largely based off of one game).

In any case, Finals MVPs aren't what determine who was better between those two. Of course, I happen to agree that Bird was a little better than Magic, but that's more of an addendum than a salient point.

Food 4 thought chumps...

Enough of that, follow the TOS.

LLegend33 wrote:Pleasant surprise, but not surprised really. And now you know why I think he is the greatest of all time.

That's a bit much.

Myth_Breaker · Post #123 » by **Myth_Breaker** » Sun Nov 2, 2008 12:56 am

LLegend33 wrote:[As an aside, did anyone else notice that Bird was top-3 in the MVP vote for 8 years, and was 2nd or higher in 7 of those years? And that he was 4th in the year before that streak started, which was his second season in the league? I know Larry Bird was awesome, but holy crap, man, even Jordan doesn't have a stretch quite like that]

Pleasant surprise, but not surprised really. And now you know why I think he is the greatest of all time.

Like Walton said - he could do nething and everything, but always in the team concept...

LLegend, personally I don't have any problems with people claiming that Bird is the GOAT since he's one of the leading candidates to this title and even being Lakers fan I can't say Magic was really a level above him. Just don't treat people thinking otherwise as being automatically wrong, OK?

JordansBulls · Post #124 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Nov 3, 2008 10:40 pm

LLegend33 wrote:[As an aside, did anyone else notice that Bird was top-3 in the MVP vote for 8 years, and was 2nd or higher in 7 of those years? And that he was 4th in the year before that streak started, which was his second season in the league? I know Larry Bird was awesome, but holy crap, man, even Jordan doesn't have a stretch quite like that]

Pleasant surprise, but not surprised really. And now you know why I think he is the greatest of all time.

Like Walton said - he could do nething and everything, but always in the team concept...

Actually here is the listings of top 3 in MVP voting

Jordan - 10 consecutive top 3 MVP finishes (1987-1993, 1996-1998)

Magic - 9 consecutive top 3 MVP finishes (1983-1991)

Bird - 8 consecutive top 3 MVP finishes (1981-1988)

Post #125 » by **tsherkin** » Thu Nov 6, 2008 12:25 am

That's not really consecutive for Jordan, though, because the 94-95 season still counts.

And yeah, Magic was crazy too.

JordansBulls · Post #126 » by **JordansBulls** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 10:10 pm

tsherkin wrote:That's not really consecutive for Jordan, though, because the 94-95 season still counts.

And yeah, Magic was crazy too.

Not really because he didn't start off the year nor was he intended to play or projected to be in the lineup. It's one thing if he started off the year or was going to play and was injured, but it is quite another when no one has him down on any ballots or anything because he wasn't going to play. Just as if Magic when he came back in 1996 really wouldn't count against him because he wasn't supposed to be playing nor was he anticipated to play.

Baller 24 · Post #127 » by **Baller 24** » Sat Nov 8, 2008 11:31 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
tsherkin wrote:That's not really consecutive for Jordan, though, because the 94-95 season still counts.

And yeah, Magic was crazy too.

Not really because he didn't start off the year nor was he intended to play or projected to be in the lineup. It's one thing if he started off the year or was going to play and was injured, but it is quite another when no one has him down on any ballots or anything because he wasn't going to play. Just as if Magic when he came back in 1996 really wouldn't count against him because he wasn't supposed to be playing nor was he anticipated to play.

The 1995 season, 10 games or 82 games...the fact that he played is what counts. Plus in Magic's consecutive years, the '96 season isn't even counted because he was 12th. And just like Magic, Jordan played in a small number of games in '95, but ended up 11th in MVP voting, so he did get ballots.

That argument isn't really legit; because he was counted in on the ballot as he ended up 11th, but it wasn't consecutive because he got a few ballots, and wasn't in the top 3; while he continued to play the season after as he was the league MVP.

vct33 · Post #128 » by **vct33** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:09 pm

Is this supposed to be a list that ranks the best basketball players ever? Or was there some other criteria set forth? If it is simply ranking the best basketball players, this is the *** list I've ever seen.

Baller 24 · Post #129 » by **Baller 24** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:47 pm

vct33 wrote:Is this supposed to be a list that ranks the best basketball players ever? Or was there some other criteria set forth? If it is simply ranking the best basketball players, this is the *** list I've ever seen.

Its a list based off of a players "Career" and its been done by the participants of the realgm community mainly, but anyone can really vote right now...so explain the **** parts, I'll try my best to answer, if not click on the players as they are associated with the thread and it lists the explanations of why some of the voters picked a certain player.

vct33 · Post #130 » by **vct33** » Thu Nov 13, 2008 7:26 pm

Baller 24 wrote:
vct33 wrote:Is this supposed to be a list that ranks the best basketball players ever? Or was there some other criteria set forth? If it is simply ranking the best basketball players, this is the *** list I've ever seen.

Its a list based off of a players "Career" and its been done by the participants of the realgm community mainly, but anyone can really vote right now...so explain the **** parts, I'll try my best to answer, if not click on the players as they are associated with the thread and it lists the explanations of why some of the voters picked a certain player.

Yeah, you answered my question. It's who had the best "career" so longevity and achievements are taken into consideration. So it's not a ranking of who the best basketball players are. That makes sense.

Chris435 · Post #131 » by **Chris435** » Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:39 pm

JordansBulls wrote:
tsherkin wrote:That's not really consecutive for Jordan, though, because the 94-95 season still counts.

And yeah, Magic was crazy too.

Not really because he didn't start off the year nor was he intended to play or projected to be in the lineup. It's one thing if he started off the year or was going to play and was injured, but it is quite another when no one has him down on any ballots or anything because he wasn't going to play. Just as if Magic when he came back in 1996 really wouldn't count against him because he wasn't supposed to be playing nor was he anticipated to play.

Sure it counts. You have to include 94-95 season. I'm almost positive that you would have included that Jordan won 7 championships if he had somehow won it all that season.

shawngoat23 · Post #132 » by **shawngoat23** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:01 am

Unfortunately, it seems that Baller 24 was waived. Does that mean there is no chance that he might be reinstated? While I do not know why or when he was waived, I felt he contributed a lot through his posts, and I know that the all-time list will suffer from his absence.

That said, it seems that we can continue the voting process for the rest of the top 100 in the manner that he started. However, we might have to assign the responsibility of "approving" new judges to someone else.

Post #133 » by **penbeast0** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:58 pm

I don't know either. ABCDEF, thanks for starting the #51 thread, if you want to continue in that capacity, maybe with a co-starter (volunteers?) that would be great and the other mods and I will try to back you up, stickying them and editing the original list like I was doing for Baller.

Post #134 » by **TMACFORMVP** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 5:06 pm

Wow, how was Baller waived?? He's one of the better posters on the board and did a fantastic job running this....

WesWesley · Post #135 » by **WesWesley** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:13 am

I hope this doesn't lose it's momentum because Baller24 was waived. I haven't been participating in this but I've been following it out of interest.

pen if you need help you can always ask.

Warspite · Post #136 » by **Warspite** » Mon Nov 24, 2008 7:08 pm

Baller will be back. It may take some time but he will.

Post #137 » by **penbeast0** » Tue Nov 25, 2008 5:00 pm

Wes Wesley added to judging panel

prolificpasser · Post #138 » by **prolificpasser** » Thu Nov 27, 2008 6:46 pm

I was starting to like this list until you put Dirk, Lebron, and Iverson ahead of so many great players. Now it has become a little bit of a joke imo.

Baller 24 · Post #139 » by **Baller 24** » Wed Dec 3, 2008 4:47 am

Any reasons why? Just curious, they all have logical arguments.

DEEP3CL · Post #140 » by **DEEP3CL** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:36 am

Ahhh man count me in I love the historical and current player stuff, good thread Baller24.