Anthony "Magic" Randolph vs. Blake "GETACHA BOI" Griffin

turk3d · Post #121 » by **turk3d** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:18 pm

He's also older than every single player on the Warriors and makes more money than any single player. And that's not even debatable.

gswhoopsman · Post #122 » by **gswhoopsman** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:24 pm

lol nets future is garbage compared to the warriors tbqh.

Wade2k6 · Post #123 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:40 pm

First off, what does the Nets have to do with this comparison?

And second, both the Nets and Warriors are in rebuilding mode. Difference is that the Nets are 14 games under .500 while the Warriors are 24 games under .500.

And last, it's absolutely laughable to think that the Warriors future makes ANY teams future look like garbage.

Dr Positivity · Post #124 » by **Dr Positivity** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:48 pm

turk3d wrote: That's cause Durant's a pu**y and they'd break his a** in two if he wasn't afraid to mix it up with the big boys like Randolph is. Durant's perimeter game wasn't all that "polished" nor was it that "special" his first year either. Give Randolph another year or two and we'll see. As for how many would take Griffen over Durant, somehow if I remember correctly Durant was picked #2 when he was drafted. Who was it who was picked #1? Wouldn't have happened to be a big bruiser on the same order as Griffen would it?

You must forget the Oden hype at the time. He was hyped up as much as Duncan, Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem etc. Everyone knew Durant was going to be like a 27ppg beast but Oden going #1 was still not a question through the entire year. (they did the Oden vs Durant bit, but everyone knew Portland or whoever got #1 was unquestionably taking Oden) Griffin is not on the level of Oden's predraft hype, he's on the level of Beasley, in fact if Beasley was a year younger and his college year this year, he'd go #1 because he did it as a freshman while Griffin was a soph.

turk3d · Post #125 » by **turk3d** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:00 pm

Dr Mufasa wrote:
turk3d wrote: That's cause Durant's a pu**y and they'd break his a** in two if he wasn't afraid to mix it up with the big boys like Randolph is. Durant's perimeter game wasn't all that "polished" nor was it that "special" his first year either. Give Randolph another year or two and we'll see. As for how many would take Griffen over Durant, somehow if I remember correctly Durant was picked #2 when he was drafted. Who was it who was picked #1? Wouldn't have happened to be a big bruiser on the same order as Griffen would it?

You must forget the Oden hype at the time. He was hyped up as much as Duncan, Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem etc. Everyone knew Durant was going to be like a 27ppg beast but Oden going #1 was still not a question through the entire year. (they did the Oden vs Durant bit, but everyone knew Portland or whoever got #1 was unquestionably taking Oden) Griffin is not on the level of Oden's predraft hype, he's on the level of Beasley, in fact if Beasley was a year younger and his college year this year, he'd go #1 because he did it as a freshman while Griffin was a soph.

Pre-draft hype, you''re right about that, especially when Clips fans are saying they wouldn't even trade Griffen in a deal structured around Bosh. However with regards to Beasley, he didn't go #1 either (n this case it was a smaller player in Rose) so I'm not so sure if he were up against Griffen this year that he'd go ahead of him. The fact is (no matter what size they are) Griffen's got a few inches on him, which could mean all the difference in the world when NBA scouts are looking at someone as the #1 overall

Beasley seeming to be closer to a "tweener" wheras there's no doubt that Griffen is a legitimate PF. A team's need also plays an important part as to who they select as welll of course, but I know that there was a time earlier this season that Miami fans were consideing moving him (Beasley). I'm pretty sure he was the main piece in a proposed Bosh deal. Now if the Clips wouldn't trade Griffen for Bosh, but the Heat would, well you do the math. If I were picking, I'd think that I'd take Griffin for the reasons already mentioned and also because I think he is probably the most NBA ready player in the draft (Beasley still has a much longer way to go imo before we see him realize his full potential whatever that happens to be).

Volcano · Post #126 » by **Volcano** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:23 pm

turk3d wrote:Purpose of those highlights are just to give a sample of his skills and to demonstrate that most of the knocks on him in this thread are pure bs. lmao @ your comment.

Highlights don't show or prove anything. I can show highlights of Nate Robinson dunking, getting blocks on big men, rebounding. Those are a sample of his skills, which demonstrates that he can play at center.

Wade2k6 · Post #127 » by **Wade2k6** » Wed May 20, 2009 11:27 pm

turk3d wrote:Pre-draft hype, you''re right about that, especially when Clips fans are saying they wouldn't even trade Griffen in a deal structured around Bosh. However with regards to Beasley, he didn't go #1 either (n this case it was a smaller player in Rose) so I'm not so sure if he were up against Griffen this year that he'd go ahead of him. The fact is (no matter what size they are) Griffen's got a few inches on him, which could mean all the difference in the world when NBA scouts are looking at someone as the #1 overall

If Beasley were in this draft class he would be the #1 pick. And 2nd, it isn't a "fact" that Griffin has a few inches on Beasley. Beasley was 6'7 without shoes, and 6'8.25 with shoes on. It isn't a "fact" that Griffin is 6'9 without shoes and 6'10.25 with shoes on.

Beasley seeming to be closer to a "tweener" wheras there's no doubt that Griffen is a legitimate PF. A team's need also plays an important part as to who they select as welll of course, but I know that there was a time earlier this season that Miami fans were consideing moving him (Beasley). I'm pretty sure he was the main piece in a proposed Bosh deal. Now if the Clips wouldn't trade Griffen for Bosh, but the Heat would, well you do the math. If I were picking, I'd think that I'd take Griffin for the reasons already mentioned and also because I think he is probably the most NBA ready player in the draft (Beasley still has a much longer way to go imo before we see him realize his full potential whatever that happens to be).

How is Beasley a tweener? He is a PF. Just because he has the versatility to play SF doesn't mean he doesn't have a real position.

People considered moving him because they don't want to waste 2 of Wades prime years (this and next year) to wait for Beasley to develop into a great player. Bosh right now is significantly better then Beasley, but in 3 years I could see them being very similar players. And once again your logic is flawed. Just because the Clippers wouldn't trade Griffin for Bosh but the Heat would trade Beasley for Bosh (which he don't even know if MIA would do) doesn't mean that Griffin>Beasley, they're in totally different positions. LA is trying to pick up as much young talent as possible, while the Heat are trying to go into a win-now mode and start building a championship caliber team around Wade. And not to mention, I don't think MIA ultimetely trades Beasley because they're going to try and lure Amare or Bosh to MIA for 2010. A Wade-Bosh (or Amare)-Beasley trio is most definetely a championship caliber core. Put decent shooters and defenders around those 3 and they have a great team.

knicksNOTslick · Post #128 » by **knicksNOTslick** » Wed May 20, 2009 11:51 pm

I'm so confident that Anthony Randolph won't be as good as Durant or Griffin that I'm willing to make a bet with any Warriors fans around here. It's amazing how you guys overrate Randolph. He's not that good, clips aren't gonna convince me because I can show you clips of any player and make them look good.

microfib4thewin · Post #129 » by **microfib4thewin** » Thu May 21, 2009 12:06 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hixRBmCs-28

Chris Mihm > Anthony Randolph.

turk3d · Post #130 » by **turk3d** » Thu May 21, 2009 12:07 am

Wade2k6 wrote:
turk3d wrote:Pre-draft hype, you''re right about that, especially when Clips fans are saying they wouldn't even trade Griffen in a deal structured around Bosh. However with regards to Beasley, he didn't go #1 either (n this case it was a smaller player in Rose) so I'm not so sure if he were up against Griffen this year that he'd go ahead of him. The fact is (no matter what size they are) Griffen's got a few inches on him, which could mean all the difference in the world when NBA scouts are looking at someone as the #1 overall

If Beasley were in this draft class he would be the #1 pick. And 2nd, it isn't a "fact" that Griffin has a few inches on Beasley. Beasley was 6'7 without shoes, and 6'8.25 with shoes on. It isn't a "fact" that Griffin is 6'9 without shoes and 6'10.25 with shoes on.

Beasley seeming to be closer to a "tweener" wheras there's no doubt that Griffen is a legitimate PF. A team's need also plays an important part as to who they select as welll of course, but I know that there was a time earlier this season that Miami fans were consideing moving him (Beasley). I'm pretty sure he was the main piece in a proposed Bosh deal. Now if the Clips wouldn't trade Griffen for Bosh, but the Heat would, well you do the math. If I were picking, I'd think that I'd take Griffin for the reasons already mentioned and also because I think he is probably the most NBA ready player in the draft (Beasley still has a much longer way to go imo before we see him realize his full potential whatever that happens to be).

How is Beasley a tweener? He is a PF. Just because he has the versatility to play SF doesn't mean he doesn't have a real position.

People considered moving him because they don't want to waste 2 of Wades prime years (this and next year) to wait for Beasley to develop into a great player. Bosh right now is significantly better then Beasley, but in 3 years I could see them being very similar players. And once again your logic is flawed. Just because the Clippers wouldn't trade Griffin for Bosh but the Heat would trade Beasley for Bosh (which he don't even know if MIA would do) doesn't mean that Griffin>Beasley, they're in totally different positions. LA is trying to pick up as much young talent as possible, while the Heat are trying to go into a win-now mode and start building a championship caliber team around Wade. And not to mention, I don't think MIA ultimetely trades Beasley because they're going to try and lure Amare or Bosh to MIA for 2010. A Wade-Bosh (or Amare)-Beasley trio is most definetely a championship caliber core. Put decent shooters and defenders around those 3 and they have a great team.

Your speculating that Beasley would be picked over Griffen if they were in the same draft is pure speculation. I wonder if Miami would be willing to trade Beasley straight up for Griffen and vice-versa?I don't think it's as cut and dried as you claim it to be. Has anyone done a Griffin vs Beasley comparison? Seems as though that would be more appropriate than a Randolph Griffen since I rate them just about the same (with Griffen a little higher right now although Beasley may have the higher ceiling). This is all opinion based no matter how you want to cut it or how you choose to frame it.

Post #131 » by **FNQ** » Thu May 21, 2009 2:52 am

NetsForce wrote:Uh oh someone is jealous that the Nets have a much brighter future than their favorite team !
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vs.

Ben_Dover · Post #132 » by **Ben_Dover** » Thu May 21, 2009 4:41 am

maxwellcu wrote:Serious question - how many superstar bigs started their career with averages of 7.9ppg/5.8rpg/0.1 apg on 46.2% shooting? Any, ever?

i'm not looking to get into the Randolph debate, but since you ask, i'll point out:

Dirk Nowitzki's first year: 8.2ppg, 3.4rpg 1apg, .6bpg, .6spg, 40% shooting
Kevin Garnett's first year: 10.4ppg 6.3rpg, 1.8apg, 1.6bpg, 1.1spg 49% shooting

seems pretty close to:
Anthony Randolph's first year: 7.9ppg, 5.8rpg, .8apg, 1.2 bpg, .7spg, 46% shooting

Then you have players like Boozer and Bosh who also had very similar stats first year while playing more minutes.

and if your not just looking at bigs, you have a superstars in Kobe Bryant who also had low stats his first year:
Kobe Bryant 7.6 PPG, 1.9 RPG, 1.3 APG, .417 FG%

so i'm just saying i wouldn't use a players first year stats as some way of projecting their potential. :wink:

NetsForce · Post #133 » by **NetsForce** » Thu May 21, 2009 4:48 am

Never compare Anthony Randolph to Kobe Bryant EVER again.

Ben_Dover · Post #134 » by **Ben_Dover** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:02 am

NetsForce wrote:Never compare Anthony Randolph to Kobe Bryant EVER again.

looks like we have a little drama queen here looking to make something out of nothing. :lol:

where did i ever compare anybody? is it that you can't read or you're just looking to start sh#t?

anyways like i said before, i wasn't looking to get into the Randolph debate was just answering a question...

maxwellcu said "how many superstar bigs started their career with averages of 7.9ppg/5.8rpg/0.1 apg on 46.2% shooting"

so i tossed out a few names. NO COMPARISONS went down! read it again and see if you notice your error...

BROWN · Post #135 » by **BROWN** » Thu May 21, 2009 7:37 am

How is Griffin considered to be the better player when he hasn't even played an NBA game yet.
This shouldn't be close, this poll should be re-opened after Griffin's first NBA season.

memgrizzlies · Post #136 » by **memgrizzlies** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:22 am

The fact Randolph got any votes surprises me.

Die93 · Post #137 » by **Die93** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:52 am

paul · Post #138 » by **paul** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:23 am

Someone has got to find that thread where the dude was claiming Randolph was already a top 5 NBA player a couple of seasons back.

Guy986 · Post #139 » by **Guy986** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:41 am

paul wrote:Someone has got to find that thread where the dude was claiming Randolph was already a top 5 NBA player a couple of seasons back.

By the dude, you mean just about every poster from the Warrior board? Its easy. Just check their threads created last year.

paul · Post #140 » by **paul** » Fri Jan 14, 2011 2:49 am

Guy986 wrote:
paul wrote:Someone has got to find that thread where the dude was claiming Randolph was already a top 5 NBA player a couple of seasons back.

By the dude, you mean just about every poster from the Warrior board? Its easy. Just check their threads created last year.

Nah there was a specific guy in a specific thread, think it was preseason the season before last. It was more than the usual ridiculous hype, the guy was openly stating him as a current top 5 player. Was great stuff.

Which player would you rather build around?