2024-25 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1221 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:07 pm

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sp6r=underrated wrote:As a Knicks fan, I'm greatly enjoying this season despite knowing we are a clear level below the true contenders. I just don't see anyway we can get by Boston in the 2nd round. These Boston beatdowns are demoralizing because it isn't just them being more talented but they also seem to match up terribly for NY. I wish we were in the CLE side of the bracket. Still hard but doesn't feel hopeless.

But I'm still loving this team.


Knicks are going to have to face Boston eventually unless something really bizarre happens like them losing to the Pacers


I'm not a title or bust person. A season that ends in the CF is more enjoyable to me than one that ends in the ECSF.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1222 » by rk2023 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 6:33 am

How about the Detroit Pistons, starting to look like a team that could be drawing eyes, much more than a feel good story in itself
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Post#1223 » by Bidofo » Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:54 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:As a Knicks fan, I'm greatly enjoying this season despite knowing we are a clear level below the true contenders. I just don't see anyway we can get by Boston in the 2nd round. These Boston beatdowns are demoralizing because it isn't just them being more talented but they also seem to match up terribly for NY. I wish we were in the CLE side of the bracket. Still hard but doesn't feel hopeless.

But I'm still loving this team.

Yeah, it's just been a very weird season for Knicks fans. On paper, we have our most talented starting 5 since the 70s chip teams, but it still feels like we've haven't really put it all together. We have a very robust franchise-best +6.2 offense, good for 3rd in the league, yet there are moments and games where we look so lost on that end. And of course, we've been an abject disaster on defense, so much so that it tanks our SRS to a value lesser than last year's team and puts us on pace to only win 4 more games than last year as well. Looking at our remaining schedule, I think we should win ~14 more games, so we might barely hit the 54 win mark or miss it entirely. It's so bizarre because we've been great against everyone outside of the big 3; dominated Denver and Milwaukee twice, destroyed the Grizz at home, and picked a win off both Houston and Minny.

KAT's been more polarizing than I thought. He's genuinely a top 5-ish offensive player in the league, not just because of his individual goodness but also the spacing effect he has which has allowed guys like Hart to have career years. But my goodness is his defense terrible. Makes you miss Hartenstein, who wasn't really a high stocks guy but had fantastic positioning, instincts, and did all the little things.

Bridges has been underwhelming offensively. He lacks the aggression that you'd want from a third option, but the Knicks offensive scheme also doesn't really do him any favors to set him up for success. And I'd be fine with that if was giving anything close to DPOYish impact, but that just hasn't happened. So he's forever going to be compared within the context of the 5 frp we traded for him and all the possibilities of what we could have had.

OG has had injury and supposedly role issues, which is exactly what Toronto fans had warned us about lol. But even he can't plug all the holes for defensive sieves like Brunson and KAT.

Hart's been ok, I personally think he's regressed on defense, and his lack of spacing is a genuine concern against good playoff defenses, but inside the arc he's been his best version ever.

I think this is, or should be anyway, a make it or break it season for Thibs. Fact of the matter is, Thibs coached teams will always overperform in the regular season. I've had concerns about his coaching all season, but the final straw that broke the camel's back for me was him putting KAT back in the Celtics game after he got injured and the game was pretty much over. Idc what your player pleads, you just can't do something dumb like that.

It just sucks that the Cavs are also having an all time season. It shows what a difference a coaching change can make, but it caps our potential at another second round exit. Now, nothing is certain until we've fully integrated Robinson back, and I'm pretty optimistic about that. He was arguably our most important player in the last playoff series vs the Cavs, so we'll get a glimpse of that potential as soon as Friday reportedly, but still won't know for sure until the minutes restriction is lifted. As it stands though, I think it actually is the case that we're closer to a first round exit than a conference finals appearance, and that's just depressing. :cry:
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1224 » by Special_Puppy » Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:58 pm

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sp6r=underrated wrote:As a Knicks fan, I'm greatly enjoying this season despite knowing we are a clear level below the true contenders. I just don't see anyway we can get by Boston in the 2nd round. These Boston beatdowns are demoralizing because it isn't just them being more talented but they also seem to match up terribly for NY. I wish we were in the CLE side of the bracket. Still hard but doesn't feel hopeless.

But I'm still loving this team.

Yeah, it's just been a very weird season for Knicks fans. On paper, we have our most talented starting 5 since the 70s chip teams,


More talented than the 1993 Knicks?
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Post#1225 » by parsnips33 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 5:03 pm

rk2023 wrote:How about the Detroit Pistons, starting to look like a team that could be drawing eyes, much more than a feel good story in itself


Have you been watching much? What's the story of this turnaround?
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1226 » by Bidofo » Thu Feb 27, 2025 5:07 pm

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Bidofo wrote:
sp6r=underrated wrote:As a Knicks fan, I'm greatly enjoying this season despite knowing we are a clear level below the true contenders. I just don't see anyway we can get by Boston in the 2nd round. These Boston beatdowns are demoralizing because it isn't just them being more talented but they also seem to match up terribly for NY. I wish we were in the CLE side of the bracket. Still hard but doesn't feel hopeless.

But I'm still loving this team.

Yeah, it's just been a very weird season for Knicks fans. On paper, we have our most talented starting 5 since the 70s chip teams,


More talented than the 1993 Knicks?

Yes I'd say so, though 'on paper' is doing a lot of the heavy lifting lol. We have two stars and two of the best 3nD wings in the league that match up perfectly with Tatum/Brown, but the results have been underwhelming. Also the bench isn't the best.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1227 » by RCM88x » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:11 pm

The KAT conundrum still remains:

Playing C - Great O, Bad D
Playing PF - Okay O, Okay D

Robinson coming back should give them the flexibility to do both, if he can re-integrate quick enough to make a difference is the question.
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Post#1228 » by Jurassic_Park » Thu Feb 27, 2025 9:30 pm

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parsnips33 wrote:The annual period of checking the standings every morning to see how the race out of the West play-ins is going is a ritual I really wish I didn't need to participate in lol

How the hell did the Wolves win that game

Minnesota started trapping Shai and OKC missed like 105 open 3s in a row. Tbh they were all good looks, but I would have liked to see them get J-Dub involved to try and get something going to the basket. At a certain point you could see the misses were getting into people's heads.


Same thing happened in the in season tourney finals. When teams bring that intensity, they struggle... if I was an OKC fan, id be having doubts about getting to the finals.

They lack another ball handler and pick n roll player.

No other shot creators who can attack off the dribble.

I still think Denver will shock people. OKC won't even take them to 7.


Den won’t even get past the lakers… forget about okc
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Post#1229 » by Peregrine01 » Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:53 am

It really annoys me how bad Murray and MPJ can be. Sad state of affairs that players of their caliber can get 100 mm a year combined these days.
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Post#1230 » by TheGOATRises007 » Fri Feb 28, 2025 2:59 am

Curry on February 27th is the greatest player of all time

Had that special performance vs OKC on Feb 27th and he exploded at MSG in 2013 on Feb 27th too
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Post#1231 » by bigboi » Fri Feb 28, 2025 3:57 am

I honestly have a theory that Zion’s injuries were exaggerated and he sat out because he didn’t want to play with Ingram
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Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.

Bird would have won 4 rings with that team, in this weak ass era of basketball.
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Post#1232 » by itsxtray » Fri Feb 28, 2025 6:48 am

bigboi wrote:I honestly have a theory that Zion’s injuries were exaggerated and he sat out because he didn’t want to play with Ingram

Nah, he has a games played clause in his contract, no way he's losing money cause he doesn't wanna play with Ingram.
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Post#1233 » by bigboi » Fri Feb 28, 2025 5:39 pm

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bigboi wrote:I honestly have a theory that Zion’s injuries were exaggerated and he sat out because he didn’t want to play with Ingram

Nah, he has a games played clause in his contract, no way he's losing money cause he doesn't wanna play with Ingram.


Fair. That said, I’ve watched a majority of Zion pelicans games and Don’t think he liked playing with Ingram at all. I always did say Trey Murphy was a better fit next to him. Zion played pretty passive at times while sharing the court with Ingram
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Lebron made it to the finals with that cleveland team.

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Post#1234 » by itsxtray » Fri Feb 28, 2025 8:46 pm

bigboi wrote:
itsxtray wrote:
bigboi wrote:I honestly have a theory that Zion’s injuries were exaggerated and he sat out because he didn’t want to play with Ingram

Nah, he has a games played clause in his contract, no way he's losing money cause he doesn't wanna play with Ingram.


Fair. That said, I’ve watched a majority of Zion pelicans games and Don’t think he liked playing with Ingram at all. I always did say Trey Murphy was a better fit next to him. Zion played pretty passive at times while sharing the court with Ingram

Yeah, I don’t think they made sense as a duo, and getting off his contract was a good move for the Pelicans.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1235 » by jalengreen » Sat Mar 1, 2025 6:13 am

This Warriors & Lakers resurgence is so great for the league
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Post#1236 » by Peregrine01 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 6:23 am

How the hell is the Lakers defense so good without AD? Is it all Vanderbilt?
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Post#1237 » by therealbig3 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 6:27 am

I mean does it say something about AD's defense being overrated? Luka for AD should be an obvious defensive downgrade, but the Lakers have gotten clearly better.
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Re: 2024-25 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1238 » by rk2023 » Sat Mar 1, 2025 7:11 am

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rk2023 wrote:How about the Detroit Pistons, starting to look like a team that could be drawing eyes, much more than a feel good story in itself


Have you been watching much? What's the story of this turnaround?


Large part coaching. More star level consistency from Cade. Veteran additions in Beasley and Tobias Harris have helped with some of the marginal things in the game. Ausar Thompson and Jalen Duren are developing really nicely as well
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Post#1239 » by homecourtloss » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:05 pm

therealbig3 wrote:I mean does it say something about AD's defense being overrated? Luka for AD should be an obvious defensive downgrade, but the Lakers have gotten clearly better.


AD is an interesting case because clearly he does many things well defensively, but in many of these years on the Lakers, there hasn’t been the differtials we would assume we’d see when a defensive player of his caliber is off the court especially when the Lakers haven’t had a collection of great defenders on their rosters and were good defensively as a team in only two of the seasons AD played with them, i.e., 2020 and 2021. What’s wild is that in their two best def Eid ce seasons, the Lakers were better defensively with AD off court, You did see the differentials in the playoffs, though.

From 2020 to 2025 regular seasons (~11,000 minutes)

Lakers’ DRating with AD on: 111.9
Lakers’ DRating with AD off: 112.9

2020: 2 points per 100 worse defensively with AD on court
2021: 1.5 points per 100 worse defensively with AD on court
2022: 5 points per 100 better defensively with AD on court
2023: 5 points per 100 better defensively with AD on court
2024: 1 points per 100 better defensively with AD on court
2025: 2 points per 100 worse defensively with AD on court
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.

lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
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Post#1240 » by homecourtloss » Sat Mar 1, 2025 4:26 pm

rk2023 wrote:
parsnips33 wrote:
rk2023 wrote:How about the Detroit Pistons, starting to look like a team that could be drawing eyes, much more than a feel good story in itself


Have you been watching much? What's the story of this turnaround?


Large part coaching. More star level consistency from Cade. Veteran additions in Beasley and Tobias Harris have helped with some of the marginal things in the game. Ausar Thompson and Jalen Duren are developing really nicely as well


Young, athletic talent putting in effort making a difference defensively and winning the possessions battle as the season goes wears on.

Since Dec. 21st, the Pistons are 6th in DRtg. They’re 7th in creating turnovers, while being better than average at not turning it over themselves. They’re 7th in OREB% while 2nd in DREB%. So their cresting turnovers while protecting the ball decently, not allowing offensive rebounds while grabbing them themselves. Then you have Cade playing the way he is Harris playing well. It’s been interesting to see them winning games as +300 and +400 dogs, etc., and then the odds shift in their favor these past weeks.
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.

lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…

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