The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2)

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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1241 » by An Unbiased Fan » Sat May 25, 2013 7:40 pm

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An Unbiased Fan wrote:Nobody has dominated the ball more than Lebron in the modern era, except maybe Prime Nash. This isn't about USG%, it's about how all of Lebron's teams are focused around utilizing HIM, and not the other 4 guys on the court. This leads to huge box scores, but like I always ask, what's the overall impact? Lebron controls the ball way too much, and turns his cast into props. This limits the impact of his teammates, which is why we always hear "he doesn't have enough help"...even when paired with Wade/Bosh.


Again, pulling illogical stuff out of your ass like always UBF. USG% = how much the ball is in your hands = how ball dominant you are on your team. You can try to twist the definition as much as you wish, it ain't gonna help you.

No actually, USG% doens't = how ball dominant you are.

For exmaple.....
2005 Nash = 20.5
2006 Nash = 19.0
2007 Nash = 21.0

Nash was probably more ball-dominant than anyone, and yet had a relatively low USG%.
How LeBron is utilized by Spo and how the other players are positioned around him has absolutely no direct connection with ball dominance. LeBron fills the stat sheet because he's good at every faucet of the game, doesn't matter how he's played or who his teammates are. He's earned his offensive freedom, the ball and the decision making much like every other great player in basketball history. You trying to make it look like LeBron having the ball in his hands a lot (which isn't true, like I've already proven) is a bad thing is bogus.

I called Lebron out for his ball-dominance way back in 2009 on this very forum. YES, he IS good at every facet of the game. But that doesn't mean it's good for his teams for him to control every facet. What a great player is supposed to do, is adapt his game based on how teams play him, AND his cast.
Wade & Bosh always played great with LeBron. Obviously Wade is injured now, you seem to willfully ignore that as being important. Other than that, the key word you're looking for is 'sacrifice'. When you pair 3 great players together there's gonna be a drop in production... there's only one ball, it's just a matter of who will sacrifice the most (in Miami's case, Bosh & Wade are inferior to LeBron, so LeBron get's to be the alpha dog).

Wade had to sacrifice a bit of his game to let Lebron be Lebron. Bosh is a glorified roleplayer at this point. I don't think either has been particularly great by their standards since teaming up with Lebron. The point of the big 3, was to have all 3 playing at an optimal level.
No, you don't get it. LeBron is less involved in the offense than in their championship year. In fact, for being clearly the best player in the league, he's UNDER-UTILIZED. Who do you think should be utilized more? Cole? Chalmers? Allen? Battier? A one-legged Wade? They are all horrible, but yet, still get a lot of playing time and butcher everything LeBron does well. You can maybe make a case for Bosh, but not at LeBron's expense, that's for sure.

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How much more utilizing of Lebron can Miami do? And I love how you ask who they should utilized more, when i have said that repeatedly.....BOSH. Work and inside-outside game between Lebron/Bosh. This would make things easier for the whole team, it would keep bosh closer to the rim, and it would put pressure on Indy's bigs.

Using Bosh the right way would help Lebron, just like using Pau correctly helped Kobe's game.
The guys around him ARE one-dimensional... It doesn't get more one-dimensional than Allen, Battier, Chalmers, Cole, Haslem, Joel Anthony, Mike Miller etc. Bosh can drive a bit, but against Hibbert he has no chance other than to spam jumpers or wait for a good entry pass (by LeBron of course). Wade is also pretty one-dimensional in his current state. He can't shoot and can't drive effectively with that bum knee, which was pretty evident when he butchered countless scoring opportunities last game (or quite frankly, the whole playoffs)...

But Wade/Bosh certainly aren't one-dimensional. Miami has shooters because of Lebron, just like Cleveland did. that whole team is built around LBJ. For a guy being are calling the GOAT, I expect this cast to be enough. it's not like he's facing some hard road to a title. Indy is a good, not great team.
In conclusion, you have a very flawed way of analyzing things and assign fault to LeBron in areas that make no sense. Wade stinks and has a bum knee, IT'S LEBRON'S FAULT, Bosh is just taking jumpers, IT'S LEBRON'S FAULT, everyone is missing wide open threes, IT'S LEBRON'S FAULT, Hibbert and West are feasting on Miami's interior, IT'S LEBRON'S FAULT!

If LeBron doesn't play for Miami, or has a less prominent role within the team, Miami would've had 0 rings by now in the Big Three era and would never reached an NBA Finals, simple as that.

Hmm, I think Wade/Bosh with Lebron's salary could have made a few runs. And I'm not blaming Lebron for Wade's knee, but I am blaming him for turning Bosh into a jumpshooter.

Basketball is 5 on 5, not 1 on 5. HOW a star utilizing the players around him, it very critical to a team's success. Lebron is GOAT level at "getting his", but not so much at elevating those around him. So yeh, that's a problem for the Heat, and his overall legacy if he doesn't win it all this year.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1242 » by Mutnt » Sat May 25, 2013 7:41 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:I always thought Bosh should be used more, but Bosh really has become super passive since then. He won't drive like he used to, even when he has the ball, and he's doing nothing on the glass, and that's not something that's on LeBron. Bosh should be attacking the glass.


He's been relegated to 3rd wheel by Spo. Then you got to account what a large role outside shooters have within Miami's offensive system and that Miami is the worst rebounding team in the league (meaning little to no 2nd chance opportunities) and Bosh simply doesn't get more than 11, 12 shots per game in the scheme of things and those are jumpers.

This is on Spo. He doesn't utilize Bosh for anything other than spot-up shots, sequentially meaning Bosh has no rebounding position (on top of being absolutely too weak to box out anyone, let alone beasts like Hibbert and West). Either Miami changes it's style of play, or Bosh will always be doing what he has.

Oh yeah, and by not driving much at all in the last 3 years, Bosh has completely lost his handle and all the moves he had in Toronto. His only drive per game looks worse than David West driving from the top of the key...
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1243 » by An Unbiased Fan » Sat May 25, 2013 7:57 pm

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An Unbiased Fan wrote:Just think of Bosh back in his Toronto days. That's they way he should be used, and Lebron has to start accommodating his game around his cast, and not just the other way around. I don't understand how a guy with his passing ability, doesn't have a great 2-man game with Bosh, who is very skilled.
You keep mentioning LeBron's ball dominance, but why should LeBron change his game for Bosh? LeBron's on court offensive rating is the highest non-Phoenix Suns O rating since 1997. The team has a 116.5 O rating and .596 TS% with LeBron on the court. In the playoffs the Heat have a 114 O rating which is the best in the playoffs among players with 250+ MP. Why should he stop being ball dominant when ball dominant has proven to work? You haven't shown any evidence that LeBron handling the ball less will be a good thing.

Lebron should accomadate his game around his cast because his impact alone isn't enough. It defeats the purpose of a Big 3, if you reduce the effectiveness of 2 of the stars.

Also, all ORtgs are not equal. Miami is a one-dimensional offense, which puts less pressure on Indy, and it also moves their bigs further from the basket, which is a big reason the Heat were only #23 in DRB%. Like I said earlier, Miami lives and dies with Lebron, which is no way to make consistent playoff runs.

Imagine if Miami actually utilized Bosh like in his Toronto days, the way LA did with Pau during their 09/10 runs. Bosh would be closer to the rim and rebounding better. Indy would have to worry about multiple threats and not just Lebron. Miami would still put up a great ORtg, BUT also have more possesions, balance, and consistency.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1244 » by Mutnt » Sat May 25, 2013 8:07 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:No actually, USG% doens't = how ball dominant you are.

For exmaple.....
2005 Nash = 20.5
2006 Nash = 19.0
2007 Nash = 21.0

Nash was probably more ball-dominant than anyone, and yet had a relatively low USG%.


No, Nash wasn't more ball-dominant than anyone. You're again flawed. The ball never stucked to Nash's hands like it does with LeBron, Melo, Kobe and other big perimeter scorers. Nash was a PG, he moved the ball in a fast-paced offense anytime he could. LeBron doesn't play like that, neither does anyone on his team (Wade and Bosh also take enormous time of the clock before doing anything) or many players in NBA history for that matter. There's a reason Nash is/was Nash.

I called Lebron out for his ball-dominance way back in 2009 on this very forum. YES, he IS good at every facet of the game. But that doesn't mean it's good for his teams for him to control every facet. What a great player is supposed to do, is adapt his game based on how teams play him, AND his cast.


Why not? Cleveland overachieved immensely by doing so and Miami's only loss in a playoff series came against Dallas when LeBron had by far the most passive series in his career...

Wade had to sacrifice a bit of his game to let Lebron be Lebron. Bosh is a glorified roleplayer at this point. I don't think either has been particularly great by their standards since teaming up with Lebron. The point of the big 3, was to have all 3 playing at an optimal level.


Wade was an inferior player to LeBron in his prime, now it's not even close. It would made absolutely no sense if LeBron was to sacrifice more than Wade.

I agree regarding Bosh, but again, not LeBron's fault, blame Spo.

How much more utilizing of Lebron can Miami do? And I love how you ask who they should utilized more, when i have said that repeatedly.....BOSH. Work and inside-outside game between Lebron/Bosh. This would make things easier for the whole team, it would keep bosh closer to the rim, and it would put pressure on Indy's bigs.

Using Bosh the right way would help Lebron, just like using Pau correctly helped Kobe's game.


Well, considering a lot of Miami and LeBron fans always bitch on how LeBron disappears through large chunks of games, not doing much of anything, letting his teammates run things (which ends up badly most of the time) I guess I feel he should have the ball more? I wrote about Bosh in a post response to NO-AI-KG, feel free to check it out.

But Wade/Bosh certainly aren't one-dimensional. Miami has shooters because of Lebron, just like Cleveland did. that whole team is built around LBJ. For a guy being are calling the GOAT, I expect this cast to be enough. it's not like he's facing some hard road to a title. Indy is a good, not great team.


I explained those two already at neaseum. Spo decides how the players will be utilized, not LeBron... Get that? Huh, did you forget Miami just followed a championship run with a 66 win season (27 straight games of being undefeated)? I know this doesn't mean much against the Pacers but you're acting like LeBron and the Heat have disappointed you? What did you expect, 82-0 and a playoff sweep? Manage your expectations...


Hmm, I think Wade/Bosh with LeBron's salary could have made a few runs. And I'm not blaming Lebron for Wade's knee, but I am blaming him for turning Bosh into a jumpshooter.


No players amounting to his salary can challenge the value LeBron brings to a basketball team, just ask any of the teams that didn't get him in 2010. Again, LeBron didn't turn Bosh into anything, that was Spo.

Miami would have ZERO rings. The 2011 team sucked outside of the Big Three and now you're taking LeBron away for more mediocre players? 2012, they aren't getting passed the Pacers, let alone the Celtics or OKC. This year, with Wade's knee, they'd have a hard time passing Chicago...

Basketball is 5 on 5, not 1 on 5. HOW a star utilizing the players around him, it very critical to a team's success. Lebron is GOAT level at "getting his", but not so much at elevating those around him. So yeh, that's a problem for the Heat, and his overall legacy if he doesn't win it all this year.


You misspelled LeBron with Kobe :D But seriously, do you have any idea what function a coach serves in basketball? It seems to me you just think the players roam freely doing whatever the wish on the basketball court.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1245 » by Vinsanity420 » Sat May 25, 2013 8:10 pm

The guy hit 14 out of his 20 shots and they're blaming him for the loss? LOL. They lost that game 'cause Wade and Bosh weren't being Wade and Bosh. That needs to change... and it probably will. Miami will steal a game in Indy and wrap it up in 5 or 6. They're many having issues with Hibbert's size, but Hibbert isn't a consistent enough offensive threat to help Indy go up 3-1.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1246 » by bballcool34 » Sat May 25, 2013 8:17 pm

Lebron now has a one dimensional supporting cast lol. Some of you guys are ridiculous, Lebron has a great cast, lets not act like he doesn't, how much more can he have. The loss wasn't on him, it was a collective team effort.
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Post#1247 » by colts18 » Sat May 25, 2013 8:20 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:Hmm, I think Wade/Bosh with Lebron's salary could have made a few runs. And I'm not blaming Lebron for Wade's knee, but I am blaming him for turning Bosh into a jumpshooter.

How can you blame LeBron for Bosh's rebounding? LeBron didn't tell Bosh to be soft as a center. Bosh's rebounding woes is 100% on him.

As far as turning Bosh into a jumpshooter, Bosh did it himself. Bosh still shoots jumpers at a high rate with LeBron off the floor. Bosh made the decision to shoot more jumpers, plus him shooting jumpers is beneficial for the Heat. His jumpers shooting% is the best in the league, and it allows the Heat to spread the floor.

Wade/Bosh have been outscored in the past 2 years when they are on the court without LeBron. LeBron is the catalyst for the team.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1248 » by Mutnt » Sat May 25, 2013 8:24 pm

colts18 wrote:
An Unbiased Fan wrote:Hmm, I think Wade/Bosh with Lebron's salary could have made a few runs. And I'm not blaming Lebron for Wade's knee, but I am blaming him for turning Bosh into a jumpshooter.

How can you blame LeBron for Bosh's rebounding? LeBron didn't tell Bosh to be soft as a center. Bosh's rebounding woes is 100% on him.

As far as turning Bosh into a jumpshooter, Bosh did it himself. Bosh still shoots jumpers at a high rate with LeBron off the floor. Bosh made the decision to shoot more jumpers, plus him shooting jumpers is beneficial for the Heat. His jumpers shooting% is the best in the league, and it allows the Heat to spread the floor.



Replace Bosh with Spo and you are right :D
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Post#1249 » by _Game7_ » Sat May 25, 2013 8:53 pm

Vinsanity420 wrote:The guy hit 14 out of his 20 shots and they're blaming him for the loss? LOL.

Lebron was the best player on the floor like he always is, but he had 2 HUGE uncharacteristic turnovers that cost his team the W. Overall yea he shot the ball well, had some spectacular plays. But those turnovers where huge, and W's is all its about in the postseason.
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Post#1250 » by colts18 » Sat May 25, 2013 9:05 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:No actually, USG% doens't = how ball dominant you are.

For exmaple.....
2005 Nash = 20.5
2006 Nash = 19.0
2007 Nash = 21.0

Nash was probably more ball-dominant than anyone, and yet had a relatively low USG%.

Do you think Nash should have been less ball dominant?
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Post#1251 » by TheChosen618 » Sat May 25, 2013 11:29 pm

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TheChosen618 wrote:Lebron has to dominate on both ends now, something Jordan never even had to carry.

Dude, the difference between Lebron and MJ, is that MJ knew how to utilize guys like Pippen, so he didn't have to dominate everything. Lebron has a 20/10 caliber big on his roster.... perhaps he needs to actually use him.

I think you mean, Phil Jackson knew how to utilize his players properly while Erik Spoelstra doesn't.

Why do people act like coaches don't have a job out there?
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Post#1252 » by Rasho_libre » Sun May 26, 2013 2:19 am

LOL. These same haters only show up when lebron and miami loses a game. Then disappear when they pick it back up. Think about it they have shower up only three times since feb 2nd.
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Post#1253 » by NO-KG-AI » Sun May 26, 2013 4:08 am

There is no excuse for Bosh's rebounding. IDC what anyone says, 5 rebounds, and two rebounds? LeBron "made" him a jumpshooter, and that means he can't rebound? ok.
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Post#1254 » by ardee » Sun May 26, 2013 4:14 am

Is the thread going to erupt like this every time the Heat lose :lol: ?
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Post#1255 » by sp6r=underrated » Sun May 26, 2013 4:19 am

of course. Notice that the two people who most tried to heap the blame on Lebron are single player posters who have obvious agendas.
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Post#1256 » by Rasho_libre » Sun May 26, 2013 6:37 am

sp6r=underrated wrote:of course. Notice that the two people who most tried to heap the blame on Lebron are single player posters who have obvious agendas.

It's the same dudes everytime. One is a notorious Kobe guy that only pops up any time Miami loses a game.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1257 » by HilltopperJay » Sun May 26, 2013 1:38 pm

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Mutnt wrote:LeBron needs to put more emphasis and trust in his mid-range game. Having the ability to pull up and score is ESSENTIAL against this kind of defense. Indiana is swarming him right now, they're waiting for him with 3 players minimum when he drives and his offensive game is too predictable right now (threes or drives). There was no where to go on his last drive, he just ran into a brick wall of Indiana defenders who all knew he was gonna take it to the hole. He got trapped and had no angle to pass the ball. Great defense.

With that said, LeBron had a great game. He was the sole reason Miami wasn't blown out right from the start of this game (and the sole reason they won game 1). Everyone else sucks monkeyballs. Wade has zero lift and explosivness, Bosh is a soft jump shooter, Battier, Allen, Chalmers, Cole, Haslem totally useless, Spo is a moron, only one who's playing well besides LeBron is Birdman.

Lebron's issue is the same as it was back in his Cleveland days, he tends to become too ball-dominant in big series. Against a good defensive team, this is a huge problem because it under-utilizes his teammates. You simply don't want 1 guy scoring your points, grabbing the boards, and making all the assists, because it fragments the other players and turns them into props.

3 years, in and Lebron/Bosh still don't have a solid 2 man game. There's no reason for there not to be a Kobe/Pau, or even Deron/Boozer type chemistry, especially considering Lebron's playmaking, and Bosh's skillset. I have asked this before, but what bigman has really thrived next to Lebron, and can Lebron have the type of PS success people expect if his bigs are constantly under-utilized?


Well-said, couldn't agree more. Why would the Heat want the ball in the hands of one of the most efficient wing scorers of all time, who also happens to be one of the best wing playmakers and the best player of the past 20 years?

If LeBron wants to have true success, he needs to start running (and of course by he I mean LeBron himself, not Spoelstra--LeBron is obviously responsible for what offensive sets are run, not the coach) more iso sets for Chalmers, a hobbled D-Wade, and ESPECIALLY Ray Allen. Maybe post Udonis up and let him flourish with his ever-impressive back-to-the-basket post game.

Then, and only then, will LeBron be properly utilizing his teammates. Why would you want LeBron to create open shots for them? I'd rather let Cole drive recklessly into the lane, and share in the playmaking.

And as you said, another point of impeccable intellect, you don't want one guy grabbing all your boards. LeBron should actually rebound LESS, so that maybe Bosh will have more opportunities.

This makes perfect sense. I have no idea why so many posters are disagreeing with you.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1258 » by An Unbiased Fan » Sun May 26, 2013 2:39 pm

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An Unbiased Fan wrote:No actually, USG% doens't = how ball dominant you are.

For exmaple.....
2005 Nash = 20.5
2006 Nash = 19.0
2007 Nash = 21.0

Nash was probably more ball-dominant than anyone, and yet had a relatively low USG%.

Do you think Nash should have been less ball dominant?

In MDA's system, no. But of course, I don't think MDA's system leads to many championships, for the very reason that it relies on ball dominance, and clears the paint.

TheChosen618 wrote:I think you mean, Phil Jackson knew how to utilize his players properly while Erik Spoelstra doesn't.

Why do people act like coaches don't have a job out there?

Spo definitely has a part in this too. But Lebron is the main facilitator for Miami. He severely under-utilizes Bosh, and again, hasn't developed a solid two man game yet. Both players should have been working together from day one to build that chemistry. And even with Big Z, or Past-Prime Shaq, I didn't see much utilizing either.

It's about getting the most out of what you have. Compare Lebron to Bird for example. If Bron was on the 80's Celtics.....I wonder how effectively McHale would be utilized. Does Lebron's passing ability put him on par with Bird who was much better at utilizing talent around him? Prime Bosh should be a lot better than he's been with Miami.
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Well-said, couldn't agree more. Why would the Heat want the ball in the hands of one of the most efficient wing scorers of all time, who also happens to be one of the best wing playmakers and the best player of the past 20 years?

If LeBron wants to have true success, he needs to start running (and of course by he I mean LeBron himself, not Spoelstra--LeBron is obviously responsible for what offensive sets are run, not the coach) more iso sets for Chalmers, a hobbled D-Wade, and ESPECIALLY Ray Allen. Maybe post Udonis up and let him flourish with his ever-impressive back-to-the-basket post game.

Then, and only then, will LeBron be properly utilizing his teammates. Why would you want LeBron to create open shots for them? I'd rather let Cole drive recklessly into the lane, and share in the playmaking.

And as you said, another point of impeccable intellect, you don't want one guy grabbing all your boards. LeBron should actually rebound LESS, so that maybe Bosh will have more opportunities.

This makes perfect sense. I have no idea why so many posters are disagreeing with you.

1) You don't want one guy controlling the ball because it neutralizes his teammates, and makes that team live/die with that one player. It can work in the RS when half the teams you face are bad, but causes big problems during playoff runs where it's all about matchups.

2) Not sure where I said Miami should run more sets for Chalmers, Wade or Allen. I specifically said Bosh. You know..the guy who was a 24/11 player in 2010.

3) Utilizing players is about getting them to do the things they are most effective at. Forcing Bosh to be a spot up roleplayer is under-utilization. Forcing Wade to sacrifice a bit of his game is under-utilization. Turning his teammates into props on the court is under-utilization.

4) You don't need Cole to drive recklessly into the paint....there's this things called ball movement. You see, players can actually pass the ball around, you don't need one guy controlling everything. Miami could do this thing called feeding the post, and use that Bosh guy. Maybe try the obscure concept called an inside/out game. Just a thought.

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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1259 » by TheChosen618 » Sun May 26, 2013 5:49 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:Spo definitely has a part in this too. But Lebron is the main facilitator for Miami. He severely under-utilizes Bosh, and again, hasn't developed a solid two man game yet. Both players should have been working together from day one to build that chemistry. And even with Big Z, or Past-Prime Shaq, I didn't see much utilizing either.

Again, take it up with Spoelstra. I'm not sure how this is Lebron's fault. It is not Lebron's fault that Spo doesn't run enough plays to Bosh. Lebron is just doing what he is told. Teams with great ball-movement and utilize everybody on the team properly are usually really well-coached like with Greg Popovich's team and Phil Jackson's team.

It is another funny thing about Kobe fans. They are so spoiled since they have had Phil Jackson his entire career that they don't even bother to realize how much he has helped Kobe and his team succeed.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2) 

Post#1260 » by CJ_18 » Sun May 26, 2013 6:00 pm

An Unbiased Fan wrote:1) You don't want one guy controlling the ball because it neutralizes his teammates, and makes that team live/die with that one player. It can work in the RS when half the teams you face are bad, but causes big problems during playoff runs where it's all about matchups.

2) Not sure where I said Miami should run more sets for Chalmers, Wade or Allen. I specifically said Bosh. You know..the guy who was a 24/11 player in 2010.

3) Utilizing players is about getting them to do the things they are most effective at. Forcing Bosh to be a spot up roleplayer is under-utilization. Forcing Wade to sacrifice a bit of his game is under-utilization. Turning his teammates into props on the court is under-utilization.

4) You don't need Cole to drive recklessly into the paint....there's this things called ball movement. You see, players can actually pass the ball around, you don't need one guy controlling everything. Miami could do this thing called feeding the post, and use that Bosh guy. Maybe try the obscure concept called an inside/out game. Just a thought.

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I hear you. LeBron is the reason the heat struggle when they do. And while we're on the topic, Kobe is the reason the Lakers struggled this year. He under-utilized Metta World Peace and Earl Clark and turned Steve Blake and Darius Morris into props. And what about Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol? they were all stars in 2010 and I don't know why Kobe didn't utilize them and turned (Pau) into a jumpshooter!??!? Maybe the Lakers shouldn't have relied so much on Kobe because you rely on him too much when you could be getting Jodie Meeks into the flow of the game. Its clear that Kobe and LeBron aren't the only consistently great players on their teams and they shouldn't be relied on as so.

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