The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2)

toodles23 · Post #1281 » by **toodles23** » Mon May 27, 2013 4:07 am

This was Miami's best game of the playoffs IMO, and they managed to do it with an average Lebron game, and Battier/Allen/Cole giving pretty much zilch. Just 6 made threes too. Good sign that they can adjust and have a great game offensively even when their 3 point shooting is taken away. And how great has Andersen been for them? It's so nice to see Miami FINALLY have a big man who's actually competent, and can catch and finish around the hoop. Perfect fit with Lebron + Wade, and hilariously enough, Birdman is leading the playoffs in PER (he'll probably be at like 34 PER after tonight's game).

That was a miracle game from Haslem though, it was clearly his best game of the season, and it's safe to say he won't play that well again.

I've said it before, that lefty bank shot is Lebron's best move in the post, it look extremely easy for him and makes it practically every time. So much better than the baseline fadeaway he used last season. Needs to work on his right handed jump hook in the lane, he doesn't seem to make that very often.

SideshowBob wrote:Miami's maintained a 121 ORTG in this series thus far

Damn, so it must've been like 135 tonight? Only averaged ~109 in the first 2 games.

Rasho_libre · Post #1282 » by **Rasho_libre** » Mon May 27, 2013 4:16 am

Titles is all that matters. And the more Miami plays like this the better they have a chance of adding another title. Especially for lebron. If 2012 lebron is needed he will be there like first half tonight and the first 2 games. Today they blew out because everyone stepped up. For that to happen everyone including lebron must not hold the ball.

PCProductions · Post #1283 » by **PCProductions** » Mon May 27, 2013 4:20 am

Crazy first half, my goodness. Lebron lived in the post and I was lovin' it. It's pretty apparent that they're afraid to send a helper on him due to his amazing facilitating ability. How bout Udonis, though? I think he might've blacked out or something that game or maybe he has a twin that can actually sink shots because I'm used to expecting him to brick those baseline J's regularly.

Additionally, the assist total for Lebron is very misleading as I count at least 3 perfect setups to a wide open Allen/Battier that resulted in bricks, he was still getting his guys great looks. 0 TO's... that's what I'm talking about. Very strong game from Lebron, if you ask me.

TheChosen618 · Post #1284 » by **TheChosen618** » Mon May 27, 2013 4:25 am

Would this season be similar to '92 Jordan's season then? Jordan still had a post-game then but only went to it when necessary. It seems to be similar with Lebron this season. Lebron still has a post game and while he hasn't used it as much, he goes to it when necessary just like tonight.

Rasho_libre · Post #1285 » by **Rasho_libre** » Mon May 27, 2013 4:46 am

PCProductions wrote:Crazy first half, my goodness. Lebron lived in the post and I was lovin' it. It's pretty apparent that they're afraid to send a helper on him due to his amazing facilitating ability. How bout Udonis, though? I think he might've blacked out or something that game or maybe he has a twin that can actually sink shots because I'm used to expecting him to brick those baseline J's regularly.

Additionally, the assist total for Lebron is very misleading as I count at least 3 perfect setups to a wide open Allen/Battier that resulted in bricks, he was still getting his guys great looks. 0 TO's... that's what I'm talking about. Very strong game from Lebron, if you ask me.

Assist totals are due to Indy d mainly. And guys bricking shots.

TheChosen618 · Post #1286 » by **TheChosen618** » Mon May 27, 2013 5:08 am

How would you guys rank Lebron's top 5 seasons in his career?

Mine is looking like this...

1. 2012/2013 Lebron - depends on how he finishes the playoffs
2. 2012/2013 Lebron
3. 2009 Lebron
4. 2010 Lebron
5. 2011 Lebron

Colbinii · Post #1287 » by **Colbinii** » Mon May 27, 2013 5:16 am

TheChosen618 wrote:How would you guys rank Lebron's top 5 seasons in his career?

Mine is looking like this...

1. 2012/2013 Lebron - depends on how he finishes the playoffs
2. 2012/2013 Lebron
3. 2009 Lebron
4. 2010 Lebron
5. 2011 Lebron

This is asked on every single page of this thread. Leave it until the end of the season please.

MeloMIracle · Post #1288 » by **MeloMIracle** » Mon May 27, 2013 5:23 am

Lebron needs to flop just a little bit less.

TheChosen618 · Post #1289 » by **TheChosen618** » Mon May 27, 2013 5:27 am

Colbinii wrote:
TheChosen618 wrote:How would you guys rank Lebron's top 5 seasons in his career?

Mine is looking like this...

1. 2012/2013 Lebron - depends on how he finishes the playoffs
2. 2012/2013 Lebron
3. 2009 Lebron
4. 2010 Lebron
5. 2011 Lebron

This is asked on every single page of this thread. Leave it until the end of the season please.

No thanks. This is a public forum and I'm curious on how people would rank Lebron's seasons. If you don't like it, then don't read it. No one is forcing you to.

Post #1290 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Mon May 27, 2013 5:27 am

Birdman's fit makes me afraid for the league with a possible Greg Oden return. If he's healthy, he's going to get so many dunks on that squad.

Colbinii · Post #1291 » by **Colbinii** » Mon May 27, 2013 5:32 am

TheChosen618 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
TheChosen618 wrote:How would you guys rank Lebron's top 5 seasons in his career?

Mine is looking like this...

1. 2012/2013 Lebron - depends on how he finishes the playoffs
2. 2012/2013 Lebron
3. 2009 Lebron
4. 2010 Lebron
5. 2011 Lebron

This is asked on every single page of this thread. Leave it until the end of the season please.

No thanks. This is a public forum and I'm curious on how people would rank Lebron's seasons. If you don't like it, then don't read it. No one is forcing you to.

2009
2012
2010
2011

whitehops · Post #1292 » by **whitehops** » Mon May 27, 2013 5:02 pm

I wonder what LeBron's stud fee would be...

JulesWinnfield · Post #1293 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Tue May 28, 2013 1:21 am

Quick question about Lebron's on/off numbers in these playoffs..... It's just not adding up to me. I've been following it during these playoffs and for some reason the Heat getting outscored by 1 with him off the floor in 10 minutes over the last 2 games somehow improved their "off court" numbers without him. They are now +10.9 per 100 possessions with him off the floor (a number that is boosted entirely by game 1 and 2 vs Chicago). Per 100 possessions they are +13.3 with him on the floor and +10.9 with him off, still a positive net difference of +2.4. Bosh is -9.5 and Wade is -3.8. Just a weird playoffs for their on/off numbers. But what is weird is Lebron was +4.1 after game 1 of this series, and in the two games since Miami is +15 with him on the court and -1 with him off, but somehow that negatively impacted his on/off difference and brought it down to +2.4

From a raw total standpoint, he is +123 on the court in 488 minutes and Miami is +17 with him off in 93 minutes (which in reality is +20 in the first 2 games of the Chicago series and -3 in the rest of the postseason with him off the floor).

colts18 · Post #1294 » by **colts18** » Tue May 28, 2013 2:49 am

JulesWinnfield wrote:Quick question about Lebron's on/off numbers in these playoffs..... It's just not adding up to me. I've been following it during these playoffs and for some reason the Heat getting outscored by 1 with him off the floor in 10 minutes over the last 2 games somehow improved their "off court" numbers without him. They are now +10.9 per 100 possessions with him off the floor (a number that is boosted entirely by game 1 and 2 vs Chicago). Per 100 possessions they are +13.3 with him on the floor and +10.9 with him off, still a positive net difference of +2.4. Bosh is -9.5 and Wade is -3.8. Just a weird playoffs for their on/off numbers. But what is weird is Lebron was +4.1 after game 1 of this series, and in the two games since Miami is +15 with him on the court and -1 with him off, but somehow that negatively impacted his on/off difference and brought it down to +2.4

From a raw total standpoint, he is +123 on the court in 488 minutes and Miami is +17 with him off in 93 minutes (which in reality is +20 in the first 2 games of the Chicago series and -3 in the rest of the postseason with him off the floor).

He was something like +14 after game 1. Now he is +13.3. That is why his on/off went down. They were +15 with him, -1 without him in these 2 games. He hasn't been off much so the off court numbers aren't as affected.

JulesWinnfield · Post #1295 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Tue May 28, 2013 2:52 am

colts18 wrote:
JulesWinnfield wrote:Quick question about Lebron's on/off numbers in these playoffs..... It's just not adding up to me. I've been following it during these playoffs and for some reason the Heat getting outscored by 1 with him off the floor in 10 minutes over the last 2 games somehow improved their "off court" numbers without him. They are now +10.9 per 100 possessions with him off the floor (a number that is boosted entirely by game 1 and 2 vs Chicago). Per 100 possessions they are +13.3 with him on the floor and +10.9 with him off, still a positive net difference of +2.4. Bosh is -9.5 and Wade is -3.8. Just a weird playoffs for their on/off numbers. But what is weird is Lebron was +4.1 after game 1 of this series, and in the two games since Miami is +15 with him on the court and -1 with him off, but somehow that negatively impacted his on/off difference and brought it down to +2.4

From a raw total standpoint, he is +123 on the court in 488 minutes and Miami is +17 with him off in 93 minutes (which in reality is +20 in the first 2 games of the Chicago series and -3 in the rest of the postseason with him off the floor).

He was something like +14 after game 1. Now he is +13.3. That is why his on/off went down. They were +15 with him, -1 without him in these 2 games. He hasn't been off much so the off court numbers aren't as affected.

But the thing is, the off court number jumped from like +10.7 to +10.9 by going -1 in 10 more minutes of sample. That just doesn't compute to me

Anyway playoff on/off court numbers are inherently kind of flawed by the very small sample. Both Shaq and Duncan had years as a championship alpha with minus differentials in the playoffs. And look no further than Duncan AND Parker's on/off differential in this postseason, off the charts negative. Like i was saying earlier, outside of games 1 and 2 vs Chicago Miami is a minus with Lebron OFF in this postseason. And much of that +20 in those first 2 games was built on the back of a garbage time 4th quarter he didn't appear in

GSP · Post #1296 » by **GSP** » Tue May 28, 2013 8:28 am

TheChosen618 wrote:How would you guys rank Lebron's top 5 seasons in his career?

Mine is looking like this...

1. 2012/2013 Lebron - depends on how he finishes the playoffs
2. 2012/2013 Lebron
3. 2009 Lebron
4. 2010 Lebron
5. 2011 Lebron

2013
2009
2010
2012
2011

TheChosen618 · Post #1297 » by **TheChosen618** » Tue May 28, 2013 11:42 am

GSP wrote:
TheChosen618 wrote:How would you guys rank Lebron's top 5 seasons in his career?

Mine is looking like this...

1. 2012/2013 Lebron - depends on how he finishes the playoffs
2. 2012/2013 Lebron
3. 2009 Lebron
4. 2010 Lebron
5. 2011 Lebron

2013
2009
2010
2012
2011

Why so low on 2012? I don't mind the rest of the list though.

Dupp · Post #1298 » by **Dupp** » Tue May 28, 2013 11:52 am

TheChosen618 wrote:How would you guys rank Lebron's top 5 seasons in his career?

Mine is looking like this...

1. 2012/2013 Lebron - depends on how he finishes the playoffs
2. 2012/2013 Lebron
3. 2009 Lebron
4. 2010 Lebron
5. 2011 Lebron

There's no other answer then what you wrote. Only thing worth debating is he was a better player in 2010 compared to 2009 but his playoff performance wasn't as good.

sp6r=underrated · Post #1299 » by **sp6r=underrated** » Tue May 28, 2013 3:41 pm

I'm not anti- on/off stats but they need to be taken with a heavy grain of salt when you are looking at post-season numbers. On/off stats need a huge sample size to be reliable. That isn't possible in the post-season. Not even a 25 game run, which is a very long post-season campaign, is a big enough sample size for truly reliable on/off stats.

JulesWinnfield · Post #1300 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Tue May 28, 2013 4:02 pm

sp6r=underrated wrote:I'm not anti- on/off stats but they need to be taken with a heavy grain of salt when you are looking at post-season numbers. On/off stats need a huge sample size to be reliable. That isn't possible in the post-season. Not even a 25 game run, which is a very long post-season campaign, is a big enough sample size for truly reliable on/off stats.

Exactly.

05 Duncan= minus 5.2 net difference
01 Shaq= minus 0.3 net difference

Just some random numbers for this postseason so far that jump out...

Duncan= minus 18.8(!)
Parker= minus 11.4
Bosh= minus 9.5
Wade= minus 3.8

Conversely last post season Lebron registered the single biggest net positive difference by an alpha in a title run since they started tracking on/off. +24.3