The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3)

[tone wone]

welp. At least they got 1 game. Needed him to score big and that's just not who he's been all season. Offensive energy was clearly lower in the 2nd half for the entire team.

[MisterHibachi]

I only watched the second half, but I don't think he took a single fadeaway shot from the paint. These dudes are so long and seem to never foul. That's exactly what the fadeaway is for. He can't keep going under the basket with 3 guys around and expect to make the shot consistently at this point. He had plenty of opportunities for little fadeaways while in the paint.

[Dupp]

LeBron only doing this to get a tech on Dray.

Never in his career have I seen lebron react and and get into it with someone like this.

[ElGee]

LeBron only doing this to get a tech on Dray.

Never in his career have I seen lebron react and and get into it with someone like this.

It could have had something to do with the swing at his balls. Maybe.

[MisterHibachi]

The thing is, after the 2014, and even the 2015 finals, I still believed (correctly imo) that all LeBron needed was a little more help from his teammates (who shat the bed both years). If he had gotten help/stayed healthy they could've won. Going forward from those years, it really seemed a case of best player vs. better team. Really doesn't seem like that this year. I don't know if LeBron's good enough of an offensive player anymore to be a first option on a championship team. I'm not sure he can beat this Warriors team. I thought his support was decent today, and he didn't come through. And it didn't seem like an anomaly, the kind of mistakes he was making. He's been getting stripped all series and his jumper is what it is. He's been a klutz around the basket and with the ball, indecisive every where. At least his defense was decent. Ugh.

[Joao Saraiva]

Lebron has a bad game despite his stat looks impressive. He has little impact and he looks struggling to score. His outside shot fails him again. Lebron is the Wilt of modern day. I'm afraid to say that to all Lebron fanboy.

The problem is not criticizing LeBron.

As you'll find out, even his fans (myself included) don't have a problem with that. I've criticized him in 2011 and I think, as I've stated in a post not long before, he had the wrong game approach in this particular NBA finals.

Usually the problem with the cricism is that it comes out from BS result oriented analysis and it does happen in a large scale even when the guy did everything he could with the right approach. And with narrative BS and statements that add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Something like: " Lebron is the Wilt of modern day. I'm afraid to say that to all Lebron fanboy".

[Joao Saraiva]

LeBron only doing this to get a tech on Dray.

Never in his career have I seen lebron react and and get into it with someone like this.

Some of it might have been a move to try and get a tech on Green or something. I also feel like he finally showed some frustration. If you think about it it's actually amazing that a guy who gets as much hate as he does and who is played as hard as he is doesn't have this type of reactions more times.

[tone wone]

I only watched the second half, but I don't think he took a single fadeaway shot from the paint. These dudes are so long and seem to never foul. That's exactly what the fadeaway is for. He can't keep going under the basket with 3 guys around and expect to make the shot consistently at this point. He had plenty of opportunities for little fadeaways while in the paint.

layups and pullup 22 footers after dancing with the ball. That's been his scoring arsenal the entire series.

[RSCD3_]

I think the championship window is closed on the cavaliers. LeBron is gonna start hitting the minutes wall hard soon and the warriors/thunder aint going anywhere

[Dupp]

LeBron only doing this to get a tech on Dray.

Never in his career have I seen lebron react and and get into it with someone like this.

It could have had something to do with the swing at his balls. Maybe.

Lebrons been targeted countless times and never reacted

[SideshowBob]

LeBron only doing this to get a tech on Dray.

Never in his career have I seen lebron react and and get into it with someone like this.

It could have had something to do with the swing at his balls. Maybe.

You weren't around during the Finals last year so I'll jump at this opportunity now. What are your thoughts on 2015 & 16 Lebron? How great do you think his defensive resurgence has been since the 2014 off-year and how much has that made up for his offense falling off a cliff post 2014?

[2klegend]

Lebron has a bad game despite his stat looks impressive. He has little impact and he looks struggling to score. His outside shot fails him again. Lebron is the Wilt of modern day. I'm afraid to say that to all Lebron fanboy.

The problem is not criticizing LeBron.

As you'll find out, even his fans (myself included) don't have a problem with that. I've criticized him in 2011 and I think, as I've stated in a post not long before, he had the wrong game approach in this particular NBA finals.

Usually the problem with the cricism is that it comes out from BS result oriented analysis and it does happen in a large scale even when the guy did everything he could with the right approach. And with narrative BS and statements that add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Something like: " Lebron is the Wilt of modern day. I'm afraid to say that to all Lebron fanboy".

I think it's time to stop making excuse for Lebron. This goes to all fanboy of every players. He has the help he needs tonight. He just didn't perform and that is why he is down 1-3. There is no one to blame but himself. The fact he was stat padding late in the game reminds of someone who was dominant but always lost. No one seems to make excuse of Wilt though. Lebron will be no different. People want to see result.

[IG2]

There's only so much you can do when you can't shoot. I think a lot of his "passiveness" in this series stems from that. And frankly, it's not even passiveness anymore. That's his normal approach. He was no different the previous 3 rounds and I often remarked on how hard scoring had become for him. But you can get away with it against non-great defensive teams, where your teammates can step up. Or teams that don't put a lot of offensive pressure on you, so a lot isn't required from your own stars. GS, obviously, have no such issues. They throw everything at you and your limitations will quickly get exposed if you aren't responding. That's what happened with LeBron in this series and none of us should be surprised, hoenstly. It's something most of us having been calling out all season - how Cleveland wouldn't have a prayer against GS if LeBron's jumper didn't see a magical improvement. He wouldn't just be able to drive and slash his way to an efficient 25-30 ppg against them - which is what's required of him to hang with any great team, much less a GOAT-level one.

This offseason should be all about him regaining some semblance of respectability from the perimeter. He will be 32 next year and will naturally lose a little more athletically. He simply cannot go on the way he has the last 2 seasons.

[Dupp]

LeBron only doing this to get a tech on Dray.

Never in his career have I seen lebron react and and get into it with someone like this.

Some of it might have been a move to try and get a tech on Green or something. I also feel like he finally showed some frustration. If you think about it it's actually amazing that a guy who gets as much hate as he does and who is played as hard as he is doesn't have this type of reactions more times.

Yeah this seems like the only logical explanation

[Joao Saraiva]

Lebron has a bad game despite his stat looks impressive. He has little impact and he looks struggling to score. His outside shot fails him again. Lebron is the Wilt of modern day. I'm afraid to say that to all Lebron fanboy.

The problem is not criticizing LeBron.

As you'll find out, even his fans (myself included) don't have a problem with that. I've criticized him in 2011 and I think, as I've stated in a post not long before, he had the wrong game approach in this particular NBA finals.

Usually the problem with the cricism is that it comes out from BS result oriented analysis and it does happen in a large scale even when the guy did everything he could with the right approach. And with narrative BS and statements that add absolutely nothing to the discussion. Something like: " Lebron is the Wilt of modern day. I'm afraid to say that to all Lebron fanboy".

I think it's time to stop making excuse for Lebron. This goes to all fanboy of every players. He has the help he needs tonight. He just didn't perform and that is why he is down 1-3. There is no one to blame but himself. The fact he was stat padding late in the game reminds of someone who was dominant but always lost. No one seems to make excuse of Wilt though. Lebron will be no different. People want to see result.

As I've stated yes he's to blame this year or in 2011. Not the case in the other years.

So while a part of your post is right, I can't forget the many times guys like you criticize him with absolutely no reason at all just because he lost and you can't understand basketball is a team game or you can't get past result oriented analysis.

So when criticism comes at such unfair rates for most of the times, I can't respect the opinion of someone that always criticizes even when they shouldn't.

That's just it. No problem at all with the criticism, as long as it is justified with a good analysis (and believe me there is plenty to tell this year about LeBron's offensive approach against GSW) instead of coming from some BS result oriented analysis or narrative.

[JordansBulls]

No matter what I think Love is the one that will get traded. Maybe a Blake for Love swap perhaps or even Love for Ibaka or Dwight for Love or even Taj for Love.

[Joao Saraiva]

No matter what I think Love is the one that will get traded. Maybe a Blake for Love swap perhaps or even Love for Ibaka or Dwight for Love or even Taj for Love.

Actually the Dwight trade might help Cle.

They should get a C or a PF with rim protection ability. Or a SF and let LeBron play at the PF spot.

[nbafan77]

LBJ didn't have any 40p game this year and I think he had only 2 30p games this playoffs. This is saying a lot about his declining ability to score this season!
His broken jumper is killing him this season!


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[dreamshake]

No matter what I think Love is the one that will get traded. Maybe a Blake for Love swap perhaps or even Love for Ibaka or Dwight for Love or even Taj for Love.

Actually the Dwight trade might help Cle.

They should get a C or a PF with rim protection ability. Or a SF and let LeBron play at the PF spot.

I think Love will end up in Boston. They've already made offers for him and have tons of assets. My dream is a 3-teamer that sends Love to Boston, Boston picks to Chicago, and Jimmy Butler to Cle. Depends on Chicago being willing to rebuild. With Noah leaving and Rose looking done, I'm not sure what other options they have. Some Boston picks could fast-track a rebuild.

[dreamshake]

LBJ didn't have any 40p game this year and I think he had only 2 30p games this playoffs. This is saying a lot about his declining ability to score this season!
His broken jumper is killing him this season!

He was a better scorer in the regular season this year than last year. Same scoring average in less minutes on more efficient shooting. Number of 40p games doesn't matter.

His volume in the playoffs is down, but his efficiency is up from last year. Not surprising considering healthy Kyrie/Love. His scoring was fine until facing a great defensive team with one of the best wing defenders in the league. Same as last year. Gotta give credit to GSW and especially Iggy - Durant and Kawhi struggled against him too. Not a coincidence.