PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics]

[sp6r=underrated]

Tom Brady Reportedly Will Get 10-Year, $375M Contract from Fox Sports Upon Retirement.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10035430-tom-brady-reportedly-will-get-10-year-375m-contract-from-fox-sports-upon-retirement

Why do networks pay announcers so much? I doubt 1 in a 1000 viewers who'd prefer the CBS game will watch the Fox game because they want to hear Tom's commentary. I doubt 1 in 10,000 viewers who aren't interested in watching football games will turn into Fox because they want to hear Tom.

[jalengreen]

Tom Brady Reportedly Will Get 10-Year, $375M Contract from Fox Sports Upon Retirement.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10035430-tom-brady-reportedly-will-get-10-year-375m-contract-from-fox-sports-upon-retirement

Why do networks pay announcers so much? I doubt 1 in a 1000 viewers who'd prefer the CBS game will watch the Fox game because they want to hear Tom's commentary. I doubt 1 in 10,000 viewers who aren't interested in watching football games will turn into Fox because they want to hear Tom.

it's absolutely absurd.. i don't get it

[sp6r=underrated]

Tom Brady Reportedly Will Get 10-Year, $375M Contract from Fox Sports Upon Retirement.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10035430-tom-brady-reportedly-will-get-10-year-375m-contract-from-fox-sports-upon-retirement

Why do networks pay announcers so much? I doubt 1 in a 1000 viewers who'd prefer the CBS game will watch the Fox game because they want to hear Tom's commentary. I doubt 1 in 10,000 viewers who aren't interested in watching football games will turn into Fox because they want to hear Tom.

it's absolutely absurd.. i don't get it

Brent Musburger had a long career with CBS and was the voice of all their major sports back then (college hoops, NFL, MLB). CBS fired him during contract negotiations.

https://www.al.com/sports/2015/04/today_in_sports_brent_musburge.html

They didn't lose a single viewer over it. I'd genuinely offer really long-term contracts with network options to young announcers on much lower salaries. I doubt I'd lose a single viewer.

[eminence]

I will occasionally switch away from announcers I really don't like (usually home announcers, not network announcers). I don't think I've ever in my life tuned in for any announcer in particular, maybe Clyde or Walton if I'm in a funky mood?

[Texas Chuck]

The thing is great announcers absolutely make a different. Mike Breen makes a big game bigger. Madden and Summerall did the same.

And bad announcers can ruin a game. Kevin Harlan games are basically unwatchable because he's so try hard all the time. Same with Joe Buck(Aikman is fantastic btw). He's so arrogant and sanctimonious throughout the game it takes away from the fact that he is talented at play by play.

This Brady thing feels silly. If you are doing that, you give it to Peyton to take your top chair instead of that broadcast he does with his brother. Because Payton is incredibly smart, communicates very well, and has that great sense of humor. He could be the GOAT.

Brady will be good. He has TV looks, knows the game, and he will care about being good so he will put in the work. But then you look at Romo who is silly but infectious and he's probably going to always be better than Tom because of it.

[PaulieWal]

The thing is great announcers absolutely make a different. Mike Breen makes a big game bigger. Madden and Summerall did the same.

And bad announcers can ruin a game. Kevin Harlan games are basically unwatchable because he's so try hard all the time. Same with Joe Buck(Aikman is fantastic btw). He's so arrogant and sanctimonious throughout the game it takes away from the fact that he is talented at play by play.

This Brady thing feels silly. If you are doing that, you give it to Peyton to take your top chair instead of that broadcast he does with his brother. Because Payton is incredibly smart, communicates very well, and has that great sense of humor. He could be the GOAT.

Brady will be good. He has TV looks, knows the game, and he will care about being good so he will put in the work. But then you look at Romo who is silly but infectious and he's probably going to always be better than Tom because of it.

You don't like Kevin Harlan? That's blasphemy

[HeartBreakKid]

I much prefer Harlan. Breen/Jackson/Van Gundy often turn me off to watching the game. Breen is not bad with Walt Frazier though.

I like guys who call the games and aren't over the top. Harlan isn't one of my favorites but he calls the game, and that's really all that I'd like.

I'm actually hoping Mark Jackson gets a coaching job just so he won't be an announcer anymore. I've been hoping that for nearly 10 years now though....

[Texas Chuck]

The thing is great announcers absolutely make a different. Mike Breen makes a big game bigger. Madden and Summerall did the same.

And bad announcers can ruin a game. Kevin Harlan games are basically unwatchable because he's so try hard all the time. Same with Joe Buck(Aikman is fantastic btw). He's so arrogant and sanctimonious throughout the game it takes away from the fact that he is talented at play by play.

This Brady thing feels silly. If you are doing that, you give it to Peyton to take your top chair instead of that broadcast he does with his brother. Because Payton is incredibly smart, communicates very well, and has that great sense of humor. He could be the GOAT.

Brady will be good. He has TV looks, knows the game, and he will care about being good so he will put in the work. But then you look at Romo who is silly but infectious and he's probably going to always be better than Tom because of it.

You don't like Kevin Harlan? That's blasphemy

He's hilarious when something odd happens like a cat on the field. But just calling games? His fake voice is annoying. His inability to know when a moment calls for building excitement and to not force it otherwise, but he tries to make every play in this enormous deal. This is what separates Breen from everyone else. His instincts are perfect in this regard.

[PaulieWal]

The thing is great announcers absolutely make a different. Mike Breen makes a big game bigger. Madden and Summerall did the same.

And bad announcers can ruin a game. Kevin Harlan games are basically unwatchable because he's so try hard all the time. Same with Joe Buck(Aikman is fantastic btw). He's so arrogant and sanctimonious throughout the game it takes away from the fact that he is talented at play by play.

This Brady thing feels silly. If you are doing that, you give it to Peyton to take your top chair instead of that broadcast he does with his brother. Because Payton is incredibly smart, communicates very well, and has that great sense of humor. He could be the GOAT.

Brady will be good. He has TV looks, knows the game, and he will care about being good so he will put in the work. But then you look at Romo who is silly but infectious and he's probably going to always be better than Tom because of it.

You don't like Kevin Harlan? That's blasphemy

He's hilarious when something odd happens like a cat on the field. But just calling games? His fake voice is annoying. His inability to know when a moment calls for building excitement and to not force it otherwise, but he tries to make every play in this enormous deal. This is what separates Breen from everyone else. His instincts are perfect in this regard.

I agree Breen is iconic and probably my #1 but for me Harlan is up there going back to when i first started watching the NBA he was always up there ahead of Albert even before he went senile the last 4-5 seasons.

[Outside]

They're going to pay Brady more to be an analyst than he got paid to play football. It doesn't make any sense. Brady doesn't have an engaging personality or sense of humor. He's not like Barkley or Shaq or Terry Bradshaw. He may be the GOAT, but his teammates don't even interact with him.

[falcolombardi]

They're going to pay Brady more to be an analyst than he got paid to play football. It doesn't make any sense. Brady doesn't have an engaging personality or sense of humor. He's not like Barkley or Shaq or Terry Bradshaw. He may be the GOAT, but his teammates don't even interact with him.

i thinl there are two posibilities

a) they are paying him for his image, and plan to milk "with TOM BRADY" for all its worth in ads, brady announcing stuff on-air may be very well paid by companies wanting to sell their **** vitamin water as "the drink of the GOATS"

b) they somehow hsve really convinced themselves tom brady will make people watch gsmes they wouldnt otherwise and will have a rude awakening

[falcolombardi]

Lol....their collective bargaining deal is **** to begin with dude. Again this isn't a matter of opinion fyi, but objectively MLBPA<<<<<NBAPA and their players have nowhere the power NBA players do.

MLBPA seems most focused on making sure its best players get paid. The contracts for the stars in baseball are absolutely absurd. I think their union is pretty strong, just focused on different things. NBAPA worries more about some quality of life issues in addition to the bottom line and the NBA is happy to play along because they get other benefits by conceding on things they don't really care about anyway.

Eh, on aggregate, MLBPA and its players have way less power than the NBAPA and its players. Sure the big stars get big contracts but that might be the only thing I can see big a "plus" over the NBAPA if that is even a plus given the issues with general player treatment, treatment of players in the minors etc.

how can a players union be so...well, united, to strike for a full season, then not be able to use that leverage to have a good CBA?

it sounds honestly baffling

[jalengreen]

MLBPA seems most focused on making sure its best players get paid. The contracts for the stars in baseball are absolutely absurd. I think their union is pretty strong, just focused on different things. NBAPA worries more about some quality of life issues in addition to the bottom line and the NBA is happy to play along because they get other benefits by conceding on things they don't really care about anyway.

Eh, on aggregate, MLBPA and its players have way less power than the NBAPA and its players. Sure the big stars get big contracts but that might be the only thing I can see big a "plus" over the NBAPA if that is even a plus given the issues with general player treatment, treatment of players in the minors etc.

how can a players union be so...well, united, to strike for a full season, then not be able to use that leverage to have a good CBA?

it sounds honestly baffling

well in 1994 the owners tried to make a BIG change by implementing a salary cap. the players were very much against this. why would they want a cap on the salary when that salary is going in their pocket? this is why they went on strike in 1994

it seems that since then the owners have been successful in getting smaller changes thru that slowly worsened the situation for the players, while avoiding the big change that they wanted (Salary cap)

[Colbinii]

They're going to pay Brady more to be an analyst than he got paid to play football. It doesn't make any sense. Brady doesn't have an engaging personality or sense of humor. He's not like Barkley or Shaq or Terry Bradshaw. He may be the GOAT, but his teammates don't even interact with him.

They are paying Brady to be an Ambassador and a marketing icon. I would be shocked if he lasted all 10 years in the booth.

[Outside]

They're going to pay Brady more to be an analyst than he got paid to play football. It doesn't make any sense. Brady doesn't have an engaging personality or sense of humor. He's not like Barkley or Shaq or Terry Bradshaw. He may be the GOAT, but his teammates don't even interact with him.

They are paying Brady to be an Ambassador and a marketing icon. I would be shocked if he lasted all 10 years in the booth.

Again, that makes no sense financially. Are more people going to watch football games on Fox because of marketing bits by Brady? People who are going to watch football are going to watch regardless.

[Colbinii]

They're going to pay Brady more to be an analyst than he got paid to play football. It doesn't make any sense. Brady doesn't have an engaging personality or sense of humor. He's not like Barkley or Shaq or Terry Bradshaw. He may be the GOAT, but his teammates don't even interact with him.

They are paying Brady to be an Ambassador and a marketing icon. I would be shocked if he lasted all 10 years in the booth.

Again, that makes no sense financially. Are more people going to watch football games on Fox because of marketing bits by Brady? People who are going to watch football are going to watch regardless.

Fox gets to use him in advertising and this quote is quite clear they intend to use him more than just a commentator.

serve as an ambassador for us, particularly with respect to client and promotional initiatives

I am no marketing aficionado but I can only assume Fox is going to attempt to Milk Brady for everything he has in terms of visibility.

I will say this, if I am looking for something to do on Sundays during NFL season, listening to Tony Romo is on the list.

[HeartBreakKid]

They're going to pay Brady more to be an analyst than he got paid to play football. It doesn't make any sense. Brady doesn't have an engaging personality or sense of humor. He's not like Barkley or Shaq or Terry Bradshaw. He may be the GOAT, but his teammates don't even interact with him.

They are paying Brady to be an Ambassador and a marketing icon. I would be shocked if he lasted all 10 years in the booth.

Again, that makes no sense financially. Are more people going to watch football games on Fox because of marketing bits by Brady? People who are going to watch football are going to watch regardless.

He's the most famous football player of all time, you think he's not going to cost a lot of money?

If Michael Jordan wanted to do commentary right after he retired NBC would certainly have gave him a record breaking contract.

Whether it is worth it or not they'll see.

They're not exactly on a tight budget. Businesses overpay for things all the time, much less gigantic conglomerates. They are not worried about if Tom Brady can make more comparative money than he costs.



Long story short, Tom Brady's pay is insignificant to them. Tom Brady is paid 37 million dollars a year, they do not care if he directly raises 40 million. They want to create an image around their product so they gave Tom Brady a blank check as there isn't any amount of money he can demand that would make a dent in Fox.

[falcolombardi]

there is a interesting ringer article about how fox bought the nfl rights in the 90's

the essence is that the abc or whatever it was the traditional nfl main partner with the best games, but its owner was cheap with the money and didnt want to pay the nfl the increase in the contract they asked for

so murdoch swept in and offered to pay the nfl even more than what abc was refusing to pay so they wouldnt have second thoughts about giving this niche new channel (fox at the time was fairly niche) their product

it worked and arguably was the main reason fox became a tv empire while abc fizzled out

then when they bought the nfl package they paid john madden anythingh he wanted to gain some legitimacy as a football broadcaster, because they knew nfl with john madden was a unvaluable product

murdoch considered getting nfl with madden as the equivalent of buying a tv empire so he didnt skim with the money and it paid out

i think fox is trying to keep their "hegemony" in the nfl here with this deal, they are not even paying brady for what brady can make them, but just another move to keep their nfl broadcasts as THE biggest deal in american viewers minds

[HeartBreakKid]

there is a interesting ringer article about how fox bought the nfl rights in the 90's

the essence is that the abc or whatever it was the traditional nfl main partner with the best games, but its owner was cheap with the money and didnt want to pay the nfl the increase in the contract they asked for

so murdoch swept in and offered to pay the nfl even more than what abc was refusing to pay so they wouldnt have second thoughts about giving this niche new channel (fox at the time was fairly niche) their product

it worked and arguably was the main reason fox became a tv empire while abc fizzled out

then when they bought the nfl package they paid john madden anythingh he wanted to gain some legitimacy as a football broadcaster, because they knew nfl with john madden was a unvaluable product

murdoch considered getting nfl with madden as the equivalent of buying a tv empire so he didnt skim with the money and it paid out

i think fox is trying to keep their "hegemony" in the nfl here with this deal, they are not even paying brady for what brady can make them, but just another move to keep their nfl broadcasts as THE biggest deal in american viewers minds

Basically. They want the imagery of being the football place.

[Dr Positivity]

I think Brady will be good but 375 million is just jesus