All-Time Fantasy Draft With FGA Limit - Meta Thread

Post #141 » by **Timmaytime** » Mon May 2, 2016 1:37 am

Jory04 wrote:.

you're up

Post #142 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon May 2, 2016 1:41 am

I like the Walton pick. He was high on my list of guys I wanted to build a team around.

SideshowBob · Post #143 » by **SideshowBob** » Mon May 2, 2016 2:16 am

Walton/Garnett/67 Wilt were like the first guys to come to my mind with the FGA restriction

Post #144 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon May 2, 2016 2:26 am

E-Balla wrote:Yes! Looks like I got him. Taking 77 Walton (14.3 fga)

Passing, defense, and pretty good scoring. He'll fit with just about anyone.

Heh, while I knew it wasn't that realistic for him to fall til my next pick, I had my fingers crossed! Definitely appealing with his relatively low FGA per game and defense / passing as a big.

Post #145 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Mon May 2, 2016 2:43 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
Timmaytime wrote:'64 Wilt is definitely an interesting choice, it might be difficult to build from that but he certainly has a lot of gravity both offensively and defensively

Heh. This is one of my favorite parts of a project like this: Where we all get to play Chris Berman analyzing each others' teams as they are gradually revealed. I was going to wait a bit, but might as well start discussing:

-I think the Shaq pick at #1 was the wise choice. In my experience while people tend to state that they believe Jordan's peak was GOAT, when they actually analyze teams, no player resonates more than Shaq. Had I had the #1 pick I'd have still taken Bird, but I think Shaq gives you the best chance of being voted the best team.

-I was surprised Jordan fell below 2nd. While I passed him up too, there's no doubt that Q got a steal at the 4th slot. Here's where I'll note that in the all-time leagues I was first a part of 10 years ago on this board, I picked Jordan 2nd in one, and TrueLAfan picked him 1st in the other. Neither team "won" but I thought both easily could have, especially TrueLAfan's team.

-I'm very curious to see what the LeBron & Wilt teams end up looking like as in both cases the years' specified required the GM to really think about what they wanted. The LeBron pick was bold but totally defensible and I admire that. I'll also note that in those projects I mentioned, Wilt was the other guy picked in the top 2 with Jordan both times, so potentially quite the steal there.

I was this close to taking 91 jordan, but the FGA limit ultimately swayed me. I now have 4.6 more attempts to work with by taking 2013 lebron instead. His 40.6% from 3 on 3.3 attempts per game was also really appealing when you add that to the rest of his game that year. I'll admit not being a huge lebron "fan" (post 2010, really), so I would've had more fun with a bird or magic pick, but hopefully i'll get to more "fun" picks later in the draft. I just knew i'd regret passing on him.

LA Bird · Post #146 » by **LA Bird** » Mon May 2, 2016 9:46 am

It's been over 6 hours since E-Balla's selection so I will draft David Robinson and Dirk Nowitzki with my back to back picks.

Jory04 wrote:.

You are up again, now with 2 picks.

LA Bird · Post #147 » by **LA Bird** » Mon May 2, 2016 9:53 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
eminence wrote:And I applauded MJ for the "bold" Bird pick... Fred Brown is a bold 1st rounder... I respect the attempt from Wojoaderge to start with the roleplayers(high level ones) before stars. Seems superduper risky to me, best of luck though!

I'm still deciding what I think about it. I applaud drafting based on the type of team you want to build, but he better be trying to build a competitive team.

If the previous thread is of any indication, wojoaderge's team probably would be:

Spoiler:

with some slight changes to fit the 85.0 FGA requirement. Not really competitive but I don't mind since that just leaves the rest of us with a larger pool of players to choose form.

E-Balla · Post #148 » by **E-Balla** » Mon May 2, 2016 10:13 am

Clyde Frazier wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Yes! Looks like I got him. Taking 77 Walton (14.3 fga)

Passing, defense, and pretty good scoring. He'll fit with just about anyone.

Heh, while I knew it wasn't that realistic for him to fall til my next pick, I had my fingers crossed! Definitely appealing with his relatively low FGA per game and defense / passing as a big.

You think that's good you should see who I'm hoping to get with my next pick (he'd be a major steal at 19 though). I have my guys in ranges instead of a strict board and I don't think he'll make it past 15-16 but one can always hope.

Dr Spaceman · Post #149 » by **Dr Spaceman** » Mon May 2, 2016 11:12 am

LA Bird wrote:It's been over 6 hours since E-Balla's selection so I will draft David Robinson and Dirk Nowitzki with my back to back picks.

So you're gonna call your team the Spacemen?

Huge fan of both guys, obviously, and as a 1-2 frontcourt punch I don't think you can do better. Robinson with another guy to take the scoring load is some of the best big man value so far IMO. I do wonder how you're gonna manage the FGA limit though.

Post #150 » by **Quotatious** » Mon May 2, 2016 11:19 am

I like the pace we've had so far, I think the 6-hour limit is pretty good. I'm just hoping that Jory04 is still interested in this project...He should be making his second selection by now, and he still hasn't even made his first...

I updated the draft list in OP, adding all selections that have been made so far.

eminence · Post #151 » by **eminence** » Mon May 2, 2016 11:40 am

Dr Spaceman wrote:So you're gonna call your team the Spacemen?

Huge fan of both guys, obviously, and as a 1-2 frontcourt punch I don't think you can do better. Robinson with another guy to take the scoring load is some of the best big man value so far IMO. I do wonder how you're gonna manage the FGA limit though.

Good combo, was leaning towards Drob myself if he was still there for me. And I actually think Drob/Dirk is a great combo for FGA, if you use like '96 and '11 you're only a little over 30, which is great for such a potent 1-2 punch.

And what's the protocol if Jory doesn't make it back by the end of his next pick? If he misses too many more it'll be tough to catch up.

Post #152 » by **Quotatious** » Mon May 2, 2016 11:53 am

eminence wrote:Good combo, was leaning towards Drob myself if he was still there for me. And I actually think Drob/Dirk is a great combo for FGA, if you use like '96 and '11 you're only a little over 30, which is great for such a potent 1-2 punch.

Yeah, exactly my thought - I would also take '96 and '11 versions of both players ('91 and '98 seem like tempting choices for Robinson, too - '91, because he shot over 55% FG, had his best rebounding season, which is very important if you have a relatively average rebounder like Dirk playing next to him, and '91 is probably also David's second best defensive season, after '92).
'98 is tempting because he played with another superstar bigman that year, in rookie Duncan.

D-Rob seems like a safe bet in terms of playing with 20+ ppg power forwards - in his rookie season (obviously D-Rob was already a superstar as a rookie), he played with Terry Cummings who averaged 22.4 ppg, and then with Duncan in '98 (TD averaged 21.1 ppg as a rookie).

eminence wrote:And what's the protocol if Jory doesn't make it back by the end of his next pick? If he misses too many more it'll be tough to catch up.

I PM'd him. If he misses his second pick, I'm inclined to ask someone else to replace him (I guess lilroddyb might be interested, as he barely missed the initial list of participants). There's still a lot of top tier superstars available, you can still build a phenomenal team, so I'm sure a lot of people may be interested in taking his spot.

E-Balla · Post #153 » by **E-Balla** » Mon May 2, 2016 12:04 pm

LA Bird wrote:It's been over 6 hours since E-Balla's selection so I will draft David Robinson and Dirk Nowitzki with my back to back picks.

Jory04 wrote:.

You are up again, now with 2 picks.

1. Which years?

2. You took Dirk! Gahhhhh!!!!

3. So does he get another 6 hours or is it now my pick? Also do we not have to pick years right now? That opens up the game to a lot of blocking picks where you take a guy with high volume in some seasons and low volume in others so you can have one of his weaker seasons later in the game. Just wondering because it opens up the game a little more.

4. I think some of you guys are asleep at the wheel on the FGAs even though most have it in mind. No way 2000 Shaq should be over 02 with 3+ FGAs and there's no way in hell 64 Wilt is a better choice than 67 Wilt with twice the FGAs. All of you guys who got guys over 18 FGAs are going to struggle when the high fga guys are off the board. When I was doing the thread Q made before with a 89.2 limit I was putting together some pretty laughable benches. With a guy like Wilt that averaged 28.7 FGAs you now have 8 fga per player going forward. At first I figured thing like that is why Kobe (for example) was still up for grabs but some of these picks are makign me think this isnt in mind right now and it definitely needs to be if you really want to be under 85 FGAs. Just food for thought.

5. I also thinking guys not picking years are shorting themselves. To go with the recent Robinson pick you made LA Bird (not to pick on you) you pick Robinson who is a great pick this early but it's possible the only way you can fit him on the team while staying under the FGA margin later is by taking 2000 Robinson in which case you'd have taken him too early. Same thing with KG who is great but 08 KG might have more value in this setting and he would've went too early. Not trying to give you guys too much help but those are things I've noticed round 1 that stood out.

6. Still a little salty about Dirk.

eminence · Post #154 » by **eminence** » Mon May 2, 2016 12:35 pm

E-Balla wrote:
LA Bird wrote:It's been over 6 hours since E-Balla's selection so I will draft David Robinson and Dirk Nowitzki with my back to back picks.

Jory04 wrote:.

You are up again, now with 2 picks.

1. Which years?

2. You took Dirk! Gahhhhh!!!!

3. So does he get another 6 hours or is it now my pick? Also do we not have to pick years right now? That opens up the game to a lot of blocking picks where you take a guy with high volume in some seasons and low volume in others so you can have one of his weaker seasons later in the game. Just wondering because it opens up the game a little more.

4. I think some of you guys are asleep at the wheel on the FGAs even though most have it in mind. No way 2000 Shaq should be over 02 with 3+ FGAs and there's no way in hell 64 Wilt is a better choice than 67 Wilt with twice the FGAs. All of you guys who got guys over 18 FGAs are going to struggle when the high fga guys are off the board. When I was doing the thread Q made before with a 89.2 limit I was putting together some pretty laughable benches. With a guy like Wilt that averaged 28.7 FGAs you now have 8 fga per player going forward. At first I figured thing like that is why Kobe (for example) was still up for grabs but some of these picks are makign me think this isnt in mind right now and it definitely needs to be if you really want to be under 85 FGAs. Just food for thought.

5. I also thinking guys not picking years are shorting themselves. To go with the recent Robinson pick you made LA Bird (not to pick on you) you pick Robinson who is a great pick this early but it's possible the only way you can fit him on the team while staying under the FGA margin later is by taking 2000 Robinson in which case you'd have taken him too early. Same thing with KG who is great but 08 KG might have more value in this setting and he would've went too early. Not trying to give you guys too much help but those are things I've noticed round 1 that stood out.

6. Still a little salty about Dirk.

No need to pick years for now was the decision I think. I imagine we'll have to finalize them shortly after the draft is over.

And 08 KG is probably my preferred version for now, but if I wind up needing a little more volume I could see switching to his Minnesota years

MyUniBroDavis · Post #155 » by **MyUniBroDavis** » Mon May 2, 2016 12:54 pm

LA Bird wrote:It's been over 6 hours since E-Balla's selection so I will draft David Robinson and Dirk Nowitzki with my back to back picks.

Jory04 wrote:.

You are up again, now with 2 picks.

So exactly how did someone end up with Robinson and dirk after being last in the randomized?

Post #156 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon May 2, 2016 1:36 pm

eminence wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:So you're gonna call your team the Spacemen?

Huge fan of both guys, obviously, and as a 1-2 frontcourt punch I don't think you can do better. Robinson with another guy to take the scoring load is some of the best big man value so far IMO. I do wonder how you're gonna manage the FGA limit though.

Good combo, was leaning towards Drob myself if he was still there for me. And I actually think Drob/Dirk is a great combo for FGA, if you use like '96 and '11 you're only a little over 30, which is great for such a potent 1-2 punch.

And what's the protocol if Jory doesn't make it back by the end of his next pick? If he misses too many more it'll be tough to catch up.

Quotatious mentioned giving the franchise to another poster if Jory misses another 6 hour window. Seems reasonable to me.

E-Balla · Post #157 » by **E-Balla** » Mon May 2, 2016 2:36 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
LA Bird wrote:It's been over 6 hours since E-Balla's selection so I will draft David Robinson and Dirk Nowitzki with my back to back picks.

Jory04 wrote:.

You are up again, now with 2 picks.

So exactly how did someone end up with Robinson and dirk after being last in the randomized?

He was able to skip the person before him and basically get the last 2 first round picks free. I'm hoping I get the next pick free too because there's a guy that will be gone if 2 picks are made that I really want.

eminence · Post #158 » by **eminence** » Mon May 2, 2016 2:48 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:Quotatious mentioned giving the franchise to another poster if Jory misses another 6 hour window. Seems reasonable to me.

Bummer for him

Probably the best option though

MisterHibachi · Post #159 » by **MisterHibachi** » Mon May 2, 2016 3:13 pm

Q, do you have any volunteers lined up for the GM spot? Looking increasingly unlikely Jory will come through.

E-Balla · Post #160 » by **E-Balla** » Mon May 2, 2016 3:34 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:I like the Walton pick. He was high on my list of guys I wanted to build a team around.

Me too. He, Wilt, KG, and Magic were my top 4 guys because of their impact with little volume scoring most years. I needed a top guy under 16 FGA to keep up with the balanced team I want because a few guys will have Bruce Bowens on the bench at this rate.

My next pick is the toughest though. I really want someone but I'd be reaching to take him if I get him with my next pick but I'm sure he won't make it further... It's harder doing this than it should be with the FGA cap.