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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#141 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:18 pm

O_6 wrote:I know it's a weird question but do you guys take into account the personalities of players?

Like would you draft Player A who you feel is a lesser on-court value for your team than Player B, if you thought Player A was a much better teammate?


Yup, just like in real life.

There are justifications you can make in a project like this that help - "Player X took issue with his role on Team A, but on this team with Players Y and Z, he'd accept his place in the pecking order" - and from there it's really up to what the voters decide, but I try to think about the vibe I'm creating on my team.
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#142 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:19 pm

Does the clock now move on?
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#143 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:22 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Does the clock now move on?


70's has b2b picks so he should get a 4 hour window.
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#144 » by Colbinii » Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:28 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Does the clock now move on?


Yes it does--I will hold off of Odinn21 picks for a couple hours.
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#145 » by Dutchball97 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:01 pm

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Colbinii wrote:There is still a ton of talent left in this draft.

Dr. J dropping far is a huge surprise. I would have taken him in the second if I didn't already have LeBron James.

Dr. J and Penny were the 2 names I was trying to decide about.

I already got Kareem and I didn't want to have a team from the '80s and rely on hunches for three point performances. Erving would be a decent three pointer if he had to but Penny from 1994-95 to 1996-97, averaged 3.7 attempts behind the arc and made 32.7% of 'em. Not particularly great. But it clearly shows it's not an issue that I'd have to address with him.
Also Kareem has a particularly good history with offensive PGs. That was a contributing factor, too.

But it was a damn hard call. I could get two MVPs...


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Post#146 » by Jaivl » Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:46 pm

You'll have to explain yourself quite a bit on this one, 70s.
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Post#147 » by Dutchball97 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:00 pm

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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#148 » by Colbinii » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:01 pm

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O_6 wrote:I know it's a weird question but do you guys take into account the personalities of players?

Like would you draft Player A who you feel is a lesser on-court value for your team than Player B, if you thought Player A was a much better teammate?


Yup, just like in real life.

There are justifications you can make in a project like this that help - "Player X took issue with his role on Team A, but on this team with Players Y and Z, he'd accept his place in the pecking order" - and from there it's really up to what the voters decide, but I try to think about the vibe I'm creating on my team.


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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#149 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:06 pm

Playing it pretty loose with "can hit open 3s" there, Colbinii
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Post#150 » by Dutchball97 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:30 pm

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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#151 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:04 pm

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O_6 wrote:I know it's a weird question but do you guys take into account the personalities of players?

Like would you draft Player A who you feel is a lesser on-court value for your team than Player B, if you thought Player A was a much better teammate?


Yup, just like in real life.

There are justifications you can make in a project like this that help - "Player X took issue with his role on Team A, but on this team with Players Y and Z, he'd accept his place in the pecking order" - and from there it's really up to what the voters decide, but I try to think about the vibe I'm creating on my team.


Quoting myself here because I just now drafted Sheed, and that's clearly an example of this.

Sheed's personality is complex and it means that not every team should acquire him. He's very emotional, and that can be destructive, but can also galvanize a group of guys like nothing else.

What's useful to be able to recognize about Sheed is that his troublesome areas are not about failing to achieve the impact in line with his star talent, but in the pressures that come from having everything riding on his shoulders. He ends up resenting it, and then lashing out in very public ways...but also ways that tend to be directed "up" rather than "down". He has made the comparison between being an NBA player and being a slave, and while we can scoff at that, the literal truth or non-truth of the statement is irrelevant to understanding him. That's how he feels when guys in suits tell him what do do.

But put him on a team that already has leadership and a strong culture, and let's him have positive/wacky emotional outlets, and he doesn't get jealous of his teammates, he joins in.

I've put him on a team with
1. The single most mature, humble, joyful, and selfless offensive alpha (Nash) in NBA history, who also happens to be great at forming relationships that make others feel appreciated.
2. An unreal talent (Embiid) that will leave everyone on the team saying "Wow, that guy should be an MVP". That unreal talent is young and immature in some ways, but is already buddies with offensive alpha, and is himself pretty wacky.
3. A guy who just seems himself as a role player despite having enormous talents who focuses on just doing the things that his team needs and tends to be seen as utterly adorable by teammates, staff, and fans alike.

I'm betting that in this context this will take the pressure off of Sheed and he'll be able to thrive.

There is a non-zero possibility that he and the unreal talent will have some conflict together and this is something it would make sense to consider attacking if you're my opponent. One aspect of that would be Embiid's apparent struggle with Al Horford to fit together. If Embiid & Sheed can't fit, they each have immaturity that could bounce off each other.

But I think that most of the problem with Philly is that they just don't have enough shooting, and the problem with Horford is likely that he's just getting old. Sheed previously proved that he worked fantastically with a shot-blocking interior presence on defense, and he'd be quite content taking on a mostly-role-player level of responsibility on offense.
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#152 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:09 pm

Hawk Eye wrote:I had a different picture set up to use but found this one to be more appropriate considering the previous two picks 8-)

Chauncey Billups

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Ain't it funny how things work out? 3 teammates right in a row.

I forgot how much I love the little ways these drafts play out.
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#153 » by Hawk Eye » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:21 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
Hawk Eye wrote:I had a different picture set up to use but found this one to be more appropriate considering the previous two picks 8-)

Chauncey Billups

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Ain't it funny how things work out? 3 teammates right in a row.

I forgot how much I love the little ways these drafts play out.


Absolutely. And I see that Chuck kept the Pistons streak going. Perhaps Laimbeer can make it 5? :P
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#154 » by Texas Chuck » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:30 pm

Hawk Eye wrote:
Absolutely. And I see that Chuck kept the Pistons streak going. Perhaps Laimbeer can make it 5? :P


You ripped my heart out with that pick. I couldn't believe he was still here. And then he wasn't. :cry: :cry:
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#155 » by SHAQ32 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:30 pm

Grant Hill and his cousin Al Horford go b2b.
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#156 » by ardee » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:31 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
Hawk Eye wrote:I had a different picture set up to use but found this one to be more appropriate considering the previous two picks 8-)

Chauncey Billups

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Ain't it funny how things work out? 3 teammates right in a row.

I forgot how much I love the little ways these drafts play out.


By any chance, are you in touch with drza? Would be incredible if he found the time to comment on some matchups, that was the best part of the drafts on the PC board.
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Post#157 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:32 pm

Horford was going to be my next pick, dammit.
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Re: PC Board Post-Merger Draft - Discussion Thread 

Post#158 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:37 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
Hawk Eye wrote:
Absolutely. And I see that Chuck kept the Pistons streak going. Perhaps Laimbeer can make it 5? :P


You ripped my heart out with that pick. I couldn't believe he was still here. And then he wasn't. :cry: :cry:


That's just the worst feeling. I still remember a draft where I almost had <censored> and instead ended up with <censored>. Every time I looked at my roster I'd mutter to myself and imagine what might have been.
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Post#159 » by Laimbeer » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:39 pm

Hill was a huge steal there. Came real close to taking him in the third.
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Post#160 » by Doctor MJ » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:42 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:Horford was going to be my next pick, dammit.


I just realized I wrote his name not thinking about the context. I wouldn't think that made the difference, but it's a bummer for you regardless, and I apologize for being careless.
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