The Lebron Thread (Pt. 2)

[PCProductions]

Game 4 @ Chicago 2010 takes my vote for most impressive overall game.

Game 6 @ Boston was his "immortal" game. Game 5 @ Pistons was what made me a fan.

[Rasho_libre]

Game 4 @ Chicago 2010 takes my vote for most impressive overall game.

Game 6 @ Boston was his "immortal" game. Game 5 @ Pistons was what made me a fan.

Yes playa I would rank them the same

[whitehops]

Anybody notice LeBron leaning into some of those pull-up mid-range shots last night?

His 3's looked balanced, but some of the mid-range shots seemed almost rushed, like he couldn't wait to just shoot the ball.

leaning in a bit is not a bad thing, as long as you are leaning straight towards the basket. it's when you start leaning to the side or backwards where it can be a problem.

steve nash leans in on all his pullups, same with ray allen. you're also supposed to lean in a little when you shoot free throws. leaning in a little helps 'guide' the ball better towards the basket.

[ardee]

Considering we're on the topic, my five best LeBron games:

1. Game 5 vs. Detroit 2007
2. Game 6 vs. Boston 2012
3. Game 4 vs. Chicago 2010
4. Game 1 vs. Orlando 2009
5. Game 3 vs. Atlanta 2009

I understand the argument for the Boston game but I personally can't put the Detroit game anything but the number one.

[Dupp]

I don't understand how you can't have game 5 against orlando in a top 5. Its the best hes ever played imo. I dont even think the detroit game was that good compared to a lot of them other games. Was pretty sub par for the most part then he got hot in the fourth and overtime and made it a really good game.

[mopper8]

In the playoffs, Miami has improved to a 112.7 ortg, easily #1 in the playoffs and would've been good for #1 overall in the league in the reg season, despite playing Bucks (11 in Drtg), Bulls (6th), Indy (1st). And Wade's injury. And Battier/Allen struggling.

That's pretty impressive IMO.

[ElGee]

There's always a generational talent for each generation. You can't say that we haven't seen evidence of a new one because until the guy is in the pros you can't say. You think at the time people thought Jordan was the GOAT? Or that Duncan would be arguably the most ideal franchise player ever?

It could be Wiggins, it could be Davis, it could be some kid in the second round whom we have no clue about yet, the gap will never remain empty.

On a side not, I personally think it's going to be James Harden.

I think this is fascinating -- why do you think this?

I ask because I see no possible way for this to happen -- like 99.9999% cannot happen -- so I see an area for unearthing how we all see basketball differently. I can explain why if you want, but I'm curious as to why you'd zero in on Harden for something like this...(apologies Sideshow if this should be its own thread)

[ElGee]

Game 1 - 49pts 6 rbds 8 assists 2 steals 3 blocks 2 TOV 66% shooting

- close loss, should of taken the final shot instead delonte missed a wide open one (if i remember correctly) Not holding the pass agianst him either

Mo Williams missed off a jump ball IIRC (LeBron jumped too I think). Like all things basketball related, an interesting memory test...

[Dupp]

Game 1 - 49pts 6 rbds 8 assists 2 steals 3 blocks 2 TOV 66% shooting

- close loss, should of taken the final shot instead delonte missed a wide open one (if i remember correctly) Not holding the pass agianst him either

Mo Williams missed off a jump ball IIRC (LeBron jumped too I think). Like all things basketball related, an interesting memory test...

Yeah the jump ball was the very last play which i think he alley'd off the jump but the delonte shot was our last possession before that.



(it could of been mo but im pretty sure it was delonte. Was the cleanest look ever in teh corner. Man what could of been)

[Greatness]

Game 1 - 49pts 6 rbds 8 assists 2 steals 3 blocks 2 TOV 66% shooting

- close loss, should of taken the final shot instead delonte missed a wide open one (if i remember correctly) Not holding the pass agianst him either

Mo Williams missed off a jump ball IIRC (LeBron jumped too I think). Like all things basketball related, an interesting memory test...

Yeah the jump ball was the very last play which i think he alley'd off the jump but the delonte shot was our last possession before that.



(it could of been mo but im pretty sure it was delonte. Was the cleanest look ever in teh corner. Man what could of been)

Yeah I remember that game, it was Delonte wide open in the corner for 3. The thing is he had just made a 3 with like 50 seconds left to give the Cavs a lead so he wasn't a bad option at that point.

[NO-KG-AI]

There's always a generational talent for each generation. You can't say that we haven't seen evidence of a new one because until the guy is in the pros you can't say. You think at the time people thought Jordan was the GOAT? Or that Duncan would be arguably the most ideal franchise player ever?

It could be Wiggins, it could be Davis, it could be some kid in the second round whom we have no clue about yet, the gap will never remain empty.

On a side not, I personally think it's going to be James Harden.

I think this is fascinating -- why do you think this?

I ask because I see no possible way for this to happen -- like 99.9999% cannot happen -- so I see an area for unearthing how we all see basketball differently. I can explain why if you want, but I'm curious as to why you'd zero in on Harden for something like this...(apologies Sideshow if this should be its own thread)

Agreed.. Those guys either are or they aren't. I don't think James Harden even meets the profile for generational ability in any one area, and considering how polished he already is, and how far he is from being a super elite player.. yea, no.

I think it will probably be Karl Towns as well, to whoever mentioned that. He's going to get underrated as an athlete because he doesn't have a 40' vertical, but the dude is so long and skilled, and he's ridiculously fluid and mobile for his size/age.

Don't see Wiggins as a generational, all time great.

[SideshowBob]

In the playoffs, Miami has improved to a 112.7 ortg, easily #1 in the playoffs and would've been good for #1 overall in the league in the reg season, despite playing Bucks (11 in Drtg), Bulls (6th), Indy (1st). And Wade's injury. And Battier/Allen struggling.

That's pretty impressive IMO.

Yup. *By series:

vs. Mil: 111.1 ORTG (+5.9)
vs. Chi: 114.1 ORTG (+10.9)
vs. IND: 115.3 ORTG (+15.7)

In the last two rounds they've been +13.4, which is about as good as we've seen (Nash's Suns) for the PS, and that's with the secondary offensive catalyst (Wade) playing well below his 2nd half RS standard, Allen and Bosh underwhelming and Battier completely falling off the map. To be fair, Andersen/Haslem/Cole have brought it in their limited minutes.

*Note that this is using BBR's (Dean Oliver's) possessions formula, which is what they use in the game logs but for the aggregate figures they use counted possessions (I believe). By this formula, Miami's PS ORTG has been 113.6, so you can adjust accordingly. But when we're comparing across seasons for individual series, we're using this same method (not BBR's counted possessions) so it makes sense here.

[SideshowBob]

I think this is fascinating -- why do you think this?

I ask because I see no possible way for this to happen -- like 99.9999% cannot happen -- so I see an area for unearthing how we all see basketball differently. I can explain why if you want, but I'm curious as to why you'd zero in on Harden for something like this...(apologies Sideshow if this should be its own thread)

No need, its cool with me. I think its relevant enough as well.

[toodles23]

Not liking Miami's offense at all right now, not nearly enough ball or player movement. Lebron's aggressive looking for his shot, but for whatever reason just can't get clean shots off at the rim so far. All of his drives have failed.

Something I've noticed about Lebron driving to the hoop this year, he doesn't seem to be able to combine the quick burst to the basket with good elevation at the rim. He can get one or the other, but not both like he could in Cleveland.

[colts18]

They aren't calling any fouls on the pacers. It's hard to go the basket if they won't call any fouls

[toodles23]

I thought Lebron was shooting too much in the first half, but now I'm not so sure. The rest of the Heat, aside from Cole, have been terrible offensively. This might be a game where Lebron needs to take 28 shots and carry them.

[Dupp]

He needs to attack the rim and stop passing every time hes t the rim. He hasnt even been looking to shoot when hes in there most of the time.

[toodles23]

He needs to attack the rim and stop passing every time hes t the rim. He hasnt even been looking to shoot when hes in there most of the time.

That's because he's had literally 0 successful drives when attempting to score. He's 2-8 on layups today, both of his makes open dunks in transition. The 6 misses were all contested drives.

[E-Balla]

Bad game from Lebron so far... Those drives are amounting to nothing. Just Karl Maloned Hibbert though...

[toodles23]

Not sure Miami wins game 7. Extremely discouraging signs for the Heat.