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Post#1421 » by zimpy27 » Sat Jul 6, 2024 6:13 pm

nzahir wrote:Well its July 6th.....Bron can sign that contract and make it official. Hoping he takes 1-2m less, don't see why he wouldn't

And we still haven't done anything.....this is a disaster

Better see a deal happen soon

Looks like Demar is going to Sac

So whats somewhat realistically left is

BKN: Cam, DFS, Dayron Sharpe. Interested if its just a 1st for Cam
Chi: Lavine. Interested, but need to then find a cheap wing and tough to do. Maybe Miles Bridges in a 3 way S&T?
Utah: . Kessler and Sexton? 1st for Kessler is fine. Markennan likely too high, but would go all in on him
Por: Grant, Brogdon. Would move a 1st and something small, but not both
Was: Kuzma.....no interest here
Mil: Brook Lopez. Intrigued if its for Rui and we get another wing. But not giving up a 1st here
Orl: WCJ. Interested if its Dlo and something small
Cle: Garland?? Intrigued, but him and Reaves on defense would be poor. And I dont know if Garland is much better than Reaves+salaries (let alone adding picks)

We have worked pretty quietly though the last few years, so it could be a random target we aren't expecting



CamJ has always been the target IMO. He fits perfectly for JJ's vision. An SF that can shoot off curls while defending the best wing so LeBron doesn't have to. Plus Nets are happy to get DLo.

I hope they get DFS too.. LeBron, Reaves, CamJ, DFS, Davis.. That's a team to win a championship. DFS and Reaves can guard 1s. Sharpe would be great too.

DLo+Rui+Vando+LAL29FRP+LAL28swap
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Make it happen Rob, hell, even send off Reddish or Lewis to fee up a space for another guard like Graham or Lowry.
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Post#1423 » by nzahir » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:10 pm

PistolPeteJR wrote:Bridges gone

Yup that idea is done

I didnt see him getting 3 years 75m

Thought there was a chance he got 1 year 10-15m to try and rehab his image
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Post#1424 » by nzahir » Sat Jul 6, 2024 11:19 pm

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nzahir wrote:Well its July 6th.....Bron can sign that contract and make it official. Hoping he takes 1-2m less, don't see why he wouldn't

And we still haven't done anything.....this is a disaster

Better see a deal happen soon

Looks like Demar is going to Sac

So whats somewhat realistically left is

BKN: Cam, DFS, Dayron Sharpe. Interested if its just a 1st for Cam
Chi: Lavine. Interested, but need to then find a cheap wing and tough to do. Maybe Miles Bridges in a 3 way S&T?
Utah: . Kessler and Sexton? 1st for Kessler is fine. Markennan likely too high, but would go all in on him
Por: Grant, Brogdon. Would move a 1st and something small, but not both
Was: Kuzma.....no interest here
Mil: Brook Lopez. Intrigued if its for Rui and we get another wing. But not giving up a 1st here
Orl: WCJ. Interested if its Dlo and something small
Cle: Garland?? Intrigued, but him and Reaves on defense would be poor. And I dont know if Garland is much better than Reaves+salaries (let alone adding picks)

We have worked pretty quietly though the last few years, so it could be a random target we aren't expecting



CamJ has always been the target IMO. He fits perfectly for JJ's vision. An SF that can shoot off curls while defending the best wing so LeBron doesn't have to. Plus Nets are happy to get DLo.

I hope they get DFS too.. LeBron, Reaves, CamJ, DFS, Davis.. That's a team to win a championship. DFS and Reaves can guard 1s. Sharpe would be great too.

DLo+Rui+Vando+LAL29FRP+LAL28swap
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CamJ+DFS+Sharpe

Make it happen Rob, hell, even send off Reddish or Lewis to fee up a space for another guard like Graham or Lowry.

Idk if Nets care much for Dlo, but he is an expiring and will be fine just leading their tank

Maybe can fetch them some 2nds at the deadline?

Can DFS guard 1s.....?

DFS has been declining himself and his shooting is okay

Do we really wana move Rui and Vando?

Simple version is CamJ and Sharpe for Dlo, Vincent, 1st, 2-3 2nds/JHS, swap?

Our guard roation is kind of weird then though

Reaves, Vando, CamJ, Bron, AD
Lowry/Dinwiddie/Fultz?, Knecht, Christie, Rui, Sharpe

Can Vando, Christie, or even Knecht be trusted to close games....
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Post#1425 » by nzahir » Sun Jul 7, 2024 2:43 am

Demar to Sac.....less and less guys available

Anyone here know what teams may value Rui btw? Not just as a salary dump

Teams I can come up with MIL, Atl, Por, Miami, Cle
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Post#1428 » by nzahir » Sun Jul 7, 2024 10:53 pm

jalengreen wrote:https://www.twitter.com/bobbymarks42/status/1809803474525147380

LePayCut legacy points

Glad he took the paycut

So we should be able to bring back in more salary than we send out right?

Also can use the mini mle hopefully

If the rumors around GTJ are true, that would be sweet

Simple deal would be Rui, Vincent, Hayes, a 1st and 2-3 2nds for Cam Johnson and Day'ron Sharpe

Having trouble figuiring out what teams would value Rui.

Keeping Dlo in this deal since it seems like teams aren't valuing him more than just filler

Reaves, GTJ, Cam Johnson, Lebron, AD
Dlo, Christie, Knecht, Vando, Day'ron Sharpe

Bronny James, JHS, Maxwell Lewis, Cam Reddish, Wood

Still have JHS, swaps, and even another 1st if we find another trade later
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Post#1429 » by zimpy27 » Mon Jul 8, 2024 2:21 am

A message to Rob for this trade period

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Post#1430 » by zimpy27 » Mon Jul 8, 2024 2:30 am

nzahir wrote:
jalengreen wrote:https://www.twitter.com/bobbymarks42/status/1809803474525147380

LePayCut legacy points

Glad he took the paycut

So we should be able to bring back in more salary than we send out right?

Also can use the mini mle hopefully

If the rumors around GTJ are true, that would be sweet

Simple deal would be Rui, Vincent, Hayes, a 1st and 2-3 2nds for Cam Johnson and Day'ron Sharpe

Having trouble figuiring out what teams would value Rui.

Keeping Dlo in this deal since it seems like teams aren't valuing him more than just filler

Reaves, GTJ, Cam Johnson, Lebron, AD
Dlo, Christie, Knecht, Vando, Day'ron Sharpe

Bronny James, JHS, Maxwell Lewis, Cam Reddish, Wood

Still have JHS, swaps, and even another 1st if we find another trade later



If Lakers bring back more salary then they send out he they are over second apron anyway..

No, the reason he took the pay cut is because once over second apron you can't add two contracts together in trade. Lakers couldn't send out DLo+Rui for example therefore they'd be stuck only being able to send out DLo for a player making less than DLo.

What annoys me is that LeBron has to take a cut because Rob didn't know what he was doing. Like, Rob should have just given Christie less or traded out Reddish or someone with cash and a 2nd.
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Post#1431 » by Mos_Heat » Mon Jul 8, 2024 4:32 pm

nzahir wrote:Demar to Sac.....less and less guys available

Anyone here know what teams may value Rui btw? Not just as a salary dump

Teams I can come up with MIL, Atl, Por, Miami, Cle

He's an overpaid backup PF, he's nothing more than just a filler
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Post#1432 » by tone wone » Mon Jul 8, 2024 4:50 pm

Change for the sake of change is never the way the go. Rui has built in chemistry with your stars and a really good contract.

Have you guys seen Jermi Grant's rebounding numbers! That dude hasn't done the "low-usage, dirty work" stuff in years and even when he did he rebounded like a disinterested SG.
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Post#1433 » by Mos_Heat » Mon Jul 8, 2024 5:27 pm

tone wone wrote:Change for the sake of change is never the way the go. Rui has built in chemistry with your stars and a really good contract.

Have you guys seen Jermi Grant's rebounding numbers! That dude hasn't done the "low-usage, dirty work" stuff in years and even when he did he rebounded like a disinterested SG.

Agreed, throwing a pick for a guy like Kuzma or Cam Johnson would be questionable to say the least
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Post#1434 » by PistolPeteJR » Mon Jul 8, 2024 5:41 pm

I think the Lakers need just go get a decent backup big and roll the dice. Wait till midseason to see what teams hold a fire sale. There are no other moves to make now that make sense, honestly.
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Post#1435 » by nzahir » Mon Jul 8, 2024 9:14 pm

Mos_Heat wrote:
tone wone wrote:Change for the sake of change is never the way the go. Rui has built in chemistry with your stars and a really good contract.

Have you guys seen Jermi Grant's rebounding numbers! That dude hasn't done the "low-usage, dirty work" stuff in years and even when he did he rebounded like a disinterested SG.

Agreed, throwing a pick for a guy like Kuzma or Cam Johnson would be questionable to say the least

I agree on Kuzma, but not Cam

Thats a guy who can close out games in the finals imo

You cant get solid guys for nothing

Is he or Grant worth 2 1sts, of course not, but a 1st with some protections yes

Unless we are getting Markennan or rolling on Lavine, we should add a role guy on the perimter (and a backup C)
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Post#1436 » by dcstanley » Mon Jul 8, 2024 9:20 pm

tone wone wrote:Change for the sake of change is never the way the go. Rui has built in chemistry with your stars and a really good contract.

Have you guys seen Jermi Grant's rebounding numbers! That dude hasn't done the "low-usage, dirty work" stuff in years and even when he did he rebounded like a disinterested SG.

Idk. Rui was pretty damn good in the second half of the season due to some hot shooting but he was abysmal in the Denver series. You could attribute the 47 TS% to shot variance/bad luck but his defense was a travesty. He couldn't get over screens, didn't move his feet well, displayed low IQ (some of his breakdowns that led to open MPJ threes were comical), lacked physicality. He's just a poor fit on top of already being a fringe starting level player.

I think replacing him with Grant, Kuz, or Johnson makes the Lakers better. How much better? I'm not sure but the Lakers need a starting forward that can make shots and guard 3-4. Rui and Vando are both one-way backups.
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Post#1437 » by nzahir » Mon Jul 8, 2024 9:35 pm

dcstanley wrote:
tone wone wrote:Change for the sake of change is never the way the go. Rui has built in chemistry with your stars and a really good contract.

Have you guys seen Jermi Grant's rebounding numbers! That dude hasn't done the "low-usage, dirty work" stuff in years and even when he did he rebounded like a disinterested SG.

Idk. Rui was pretty damn good in the second half of the season due to some hot shooting but he was abysmal in the Denver series. You could attribute the 47 TS% to shot variance/bad luck but his defense was a travesty. He couldn't get over screens, didn't move his feet well, displayed low IQ (some of his breakdowns that led to open MPJ threes were comical), lacked physicality. He's just a poor fit on top of already being a fringe starting level player.

I think replacing him with Grant, Kuz, or Johnson makes the Lakers better. How much better? I'm not sure but the Lakers need a starting forward that can make shots and guard 3-4. Rui and Vando are both one-way backups.

Basically this

I dont think Kuzma fits well though, cant shoot it well enough from 3

He is a better defender than Rui and a much better rebounder, but a poor shooter

Cam is a very very good shooter and can do it off of movement

High IQ, recently turned 28, so he should have multiple good years ahead of him

We need at least 1 more, if not 2, guys we can trust to close games

I think we need to get at least 1 this summer

Pelinka better make a move soon

You cant go from play in team to bonafide contender with a deadline trade barring its for a legit all star like Lauri and keep your core guys
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Post#1439 » by Mos_Heat » Tue Jul 9, 2024 1:56 pm

There's been Kesler buzz but I don't really get why would they invest so much into a guy, who can't play with AD
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Post#1440 » by homecourtloss » Tue Jul 9, 2024 2:07 pm

Mos_Heat wrote:There's been Kesler buzz but I don't really get why would they invest so much into a guy, who can't play with AD


The Lakers’ front office failures since 2020 primarily center around its inability to add to a potential closing lineup that sees AD at the 5 and switchable players who can play off of James. The crazy thing is that you have lay people here who pointed this out 5 years ago, and it’s been one failure after another.
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