'17-'18 POY discussion

[dhsilv2]

So what changed for Philly tonight? I missed the game. Looks like Ben was finally able to get going though, 19 points is the most he’s had in this series. Watched the 10 minute highlight clip on YouTube, but doesn’t really give you a feel for he ebb and flow of the game.

I missed it too, completely lost track of time. But the box score is about the easiest one I've ever read. 76ers had 8 turnovers vs 14 in the last game and were +10 on offensive rebounds. Take care of the ball and dominate the glass and you can makeup for some poor shooting.

Game 5, I expect the celtics to shoot better so I'm not seeing a real shot for philly to make it back home, but I'll be hopeful. I really want to see more of this philly team.

[Dr Spaceman]

So what changed for Philly tonight? I missed the game. Looks like Ben was finally able to get going though, 19 points is the most he’s had in this series. Watched the 10 minute highlight clip on YouTube, but doesn’t really give you a feel for he ebb and flow of the game.

Mcconnell started. Gave them another ballhandler and made the lane more open for Ben to get into

Do you think this is a change that can carry over for the rest of the series? Will they miss RoCo’s defense?

Saw Dario had a really nice game too. He’s an underrated player.

[Dr Spaceman]

So what changed for Philly tonight? I missed the game. Looks like Ben was finally able to get going though, 19 points is the most he’s had in this series. Watched the 10 minute highlight clip on YouTube, but doesn’t really give you a feel for he ebb and flow of the game.

I missed it too, completely lost track of time. But the box score is about the easiest one I've ever read. 76ers had 8 turnovers vs 14 in the last game and were +10 on offensive rebounds. Take care of the ball and dominate the glass and you can makeup for some poor shooting.

Game 5, I expect the celtics to shoot better so I'm not seeing a real shot for philly to make it back home, but I'll be hopeful. I really want to see more of this philly team.

I agree. I want more Philly too. There’s something that’s just so damn likable about them.

Bill Simmons and Haralabob have been talking a lot about the Vegas lines for this series. It wasn’t until Boston went up 3-0 that they were actually favored to win. For almost every single playoff series ever, going down 3-0is jst a death sentence, but Vegas still gives Philly a fighting chance. I don’t know that I disagree. There’s something weird about this series and this matchup for me where I just can’t put Philly away. They’re like a baby animal learning to use it’s legs and if they figure it out quickly enough winning 4 straight here is actually not out of the question for me. Which sounds crazy to say.

[Texas Chuck]

. There’s something weird about this series and this matchup for me where I just can’t put Philly away. They’re like a baby animal learning to use it’s legs and if they figure it out quickly enough winning 4 straight here is actually not out of the question for me. Which sounds crazy to say.

I agree with the sentiment. And against a lessor coach I'd be more inclined to believe. I just have too much faith in Stevens for them to drop 4 straight including 2 at home.

[bondom34]

Yeah was pulling for Philly too,and will be in the future. If Stevens beats the Cavs rename the LOB to the Stevens trophy.

[dhsilv2]

. There’s something weird about this series and this matchup for me where I just can’t put Philly away. They’re like a baby animal learning to use it’s legs and if they figure it out quickly enough winning 4 straight here is actually not out of the question for me. Which sounds crazy to say.

I agree with the sentiment. And against a lessor coach I'd be more inclined to believe. I just have too much faith in Stevens for them to drop 4 straight including 2 at home.

The thing with a coach is can he keep out coaching in a game 5? The more two teams play the closer the coaches should be because these are smart guys and both the teams and players get more accustom to each other. That said I still can't see philly running off 3 straight with two on the road.

[GSP]

So what changed for Philly tonight? I missed the game. Looks like Ben was finally able to get going though, 19 points is the most he’s had in this series. Watched the 10 minute highlight clip on YouTube, but doesn’t really give you a feel for he ebb and flow of the game.

Mcconnell started. Gave them another ballhandler and made the lane more open for Ben to get into

Do you think this is a change that can carry over for the rest of the series? Will they miss RoCo’s defense?

Saw Dario had a really nice game too. He’s an underrated player.

If Joel keeps struggling to score in single coverage in the post i think its over next game. Tj can still play well but theyre not initiating much other actions effectively in the halfcourt and we have shut down their transition game for the most part. Our defense got lazier in the 2nd half and more of they players were getting by initial and help D. I dont think thatll be the case at home

Agree about Dario. I agreed when u said hes better now than Ibaka ever was. Serge is just extremely one dimensional. All he does on offense is hit open shots. Granted hes a good shooter on open shots but he is Captain Butterfingers, cant handle at all, has literally no chance to initiate or make plays, poor roller despite being a good pop option, not a big threat offensively on the glass. Just cant do much of anything on that end. Hes always been a poor post defender too and really only shined as a weakside shotblocker. Dario is so versatile

[ardee]

Yeah I don't care how things go from here, LeBron will be no. 1 unless something cataclysmic happens.

The RS stuff seems super overblown in hindsight, taking that supporting cast to 50 wins required a Herculean effort. Would probably have him at no. 1 after the RS alone too. I think people discrediting him are basically suffering from LeBron fatigue and some of us got swept up in it but the Playoffs are putting things in perspective.

Just wish they won 5-6 more games so he could get that MVP no. 5.

[ardee]

I’m gonna be completely honest here. I don’t understand the reverence for Golden State other than people just assuming that past performance will be replicated. Yeah they crushed everyone’s would last year. This year, though, there has been no indication, statistically or otherwise, that they have been the best team. They have more talent than anyone else, but at no point this season have they played like the squad they were last year. I don’t assume they can just flip the switch, because this is only year 2 of their current squad, and they don’t have LeBron. Lebron is just way better than anyone on that roster, and I think there’s a gap. He can do things Durant and Curry can only dream of. I’m comfortable saying he can be lazy and then flip the switch. I don’t feel the same about Curry and Durant, who actually have more of a history of struggling in deep playoff series than the reverse.

So how do you feel about Cavs/GSW as a potential Finals series? Obviously GSW would still be the favorite but by how much?

[HeartBreakKid]

It's possible that Philly might have figured something out that Boston hasn't got the answer to, but incredibly unlikely - and certainly no chance that it can work 4 times in a row.

[ardee]

It's possible that Philly might have figured something out that Boston hasn't got the answer to, but incredibly unlikely - and certainly no chance that it can work 4 times in a row.

I think it's more likely we see the 33 game win streak being broken than seeing someone come back from 3-0.

[INKtastic]

It's possible that Philly might have figured something out that Boston hasn't got the answer to, but incredibly unlikely - and certainly no chance that it can work 4 times in a row.

I think it's more likely we see the 33 game win streak being broken than seeing someone come back from 3-0.

somebody is going to do it eventually. Teams have come back from 0-2, being blown out even in the first two, to win 4-2 before.

[ShotCreator]

So what changed for Philly tonight? I missed the game. Looks like Ben was finally able to get going though, 19 points is the most he’s had in this series. Watched the 10 minute highlight clip on YouTube, but doesn’t really give you a feel for he ebb and flow of the game.

Mcconnell started. Gave them another ballhandler and made the lane more open for Ben to get into

I think he's the only guy to show the foot speed to stay in front of Rozier as well. Covington is great but really elite due to his recovery ability as man and help defender. A 6'9" guy staying in front of a jitterbug with a handle like Rozier's isn't all that likely.

Same goes for Simmons.

Some of the problems they had with Miami's athletes kind of previewed this issue.

[ardee]

It's possible that Philly might have figured something out that Boston hasn't got the answer to, but incredibly unlikely - and certainly no chance that it can work 4 times in a row.

I think it's more likely we see the 33 game win streak being broken than seeing someone come back from 3-0.

somebody is going to do it eventually. Teams have come back from 0-2, being blown out even in the first two, to win 4-2 before.

Has anyone even gone from 3-0 to 3-3 and then lost in 7?

[JordansBulls]

I think it's more likely we see the 33 game win streak being broken than seeing someone come back from 3-0.

somebody is going to do it eventually. Teams have come back from 0-2, being blown out even in the first two, to win 4-2 before.

Has anyone even gone from 3-0 to 3-3 and then lost in 7?

Portland vs Dallas 2003 and Utah vs Denver 1994 I believe off hand.

[Texas Chuck]

Portland vs Dallas 2003.

ah yes the NVE soft white boys game.

[Clyde Frazier]

So what changed for Philly tonight? I missed the game. Looks like Ben was finally able to get going though, 19 points is the most he’s had in this series. Watched the 10 minute highlight clip on YouTube, but doesn’t really give you a feel for he ebb and flow of the game.

I missed it too, completely lost track of time. But the box score is about the easiest one I've ever read. 76ers had 8 turnovers vs 14 in the last game and were +10 on offensive rebounds. Take care of the ball and dominate the glass and you can makeup for some poor shooting.

Game 5, I expect the celtics to shoot better so I'm not seeing a real shot for philly to make it back home, but I'll be hopeful. I really want to see more of this philly team.

I agree. I want more Philly too. There’s something that’s just so damn likable about them.

Bill Simmons and Haralabob have been talking a lot about the Vegas lines for this series. It wasn’t until Boston went up 3-0 that they were actually favored to win. For almost every single playoff series ever, going down 3-0is jst a death sentence, but Vegas still gives Philly a fighting chance. I don’t know that I disagree. There’s something weird about this series and this matchup for me where I just can’t put Philly away. They’re like a baby animal learning to use it’s legs and if they figure it out quickly enough winning 4 straight here is actually not out of the question for me. Which sounds crazy to say.

I mean, game 3 came down to the wire and if not for those 2 awful TOs by philly, this series could easily be 2-2 right now. So in that respect, the idea of them winning 3 more wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world, but it’s just such an uphill battle. And then you have stevens on the other end where if one of those games is close he might get boston over the hump. It sucks because i was really enjoying this series. Was hoping it would go 7.

[HeartBreakKid]

I think it's more likely we see the 33 game win streak being broken than seeing someone come back from 3-0.

somebody is going to do it eventually. Teams have come back from 0-2, being blown out even in the first two, to win 4-2 before.

Has anyone even gone from 3-0 to 3-3 and then lost in 7?

Only twice.



Even if the team that is 0-3 figures out a formula to consistently beat the team that is 3-0, 4 games is a lot (an entire RS sample size). If the team that is 3-0 collectively plays "well" in one game, they pretty much win the series regardless if they have been figured out or not.

[Ambrose]

I think at this point I'm rolling with

1. LBJ
2. Harden
3. AD
4. Giannis
5. KD

[SideshowBob]

Likely Final Four for 2018 PS

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Team    GP    Off    Def    SRS

HOU     9    +5.6   -7.4   +12.29
GSW     9    +5.1   -7.8   +10.60

BOS     11   +1.5   -1.3   +2.80
CLE     11   +6.2   +0.9   +4.58