The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3)

[Dupp]

Can any of the logical fans here that are not on the sewage spill that is the General Board offer some legitimate insight into what has happened today with Klay, LeBron, Mo and Green?

What are you asking exactly? Klay mo and even Currys wife have taken little shots at bron today/ yesterday..

[JulesWinnfield]

Actually, what happened to the Klay/Lebron thread? It just disappeared, I've never seen that happen on realgm. I've seen threads locked, but I've never seen a thread just disappear. I try to access it in my browser history and all I get is a blank white page. It's nowhere

[LivingLegend]

Can any of the logical fans here that are not on the sewage spill that is the General Board offer some legitimate insight into what has happened today with Klay, LeBron, Mo and Green?

What are you asking exactly? Klay mo and even Currys wife have taken little shots at bron today/ yesterday..

Basically everything man. Im just looking for a logical real discussion with non homer fans about the "hes a baby" name calling and wheather or not you thing LeBron is a dirty player or not for doing what he did.

I am 27 years old. Born and raised in Akron OH like LeBron. LeBron has been a 'thing' for me since I was 15 years old hearing about his hype in the neighborhood so I have followed him since he was in HS. Watched every game. Have great memories of stealing our parents Vodka in HS with all my friends watching all of those awesome Cavs vs. Wizards series and the Cavs vs Pistons Game 5 series. Ive been there dont that with this team and LeBron especially.

I just want to know why it seems that in the media or on these boards that the majority of fans hate this man. I dont get it. I want an explination of why low level players like Mo Speights or players who havent accomplished 1/4 of what LeBRon has like Klay have the balls to talk smack to literally a legendary basketball player and get away with it.

I dont get it. I have never seen sme many NBA players who just clearly dont have the respect for a HOF player like LeBron. Can you see anybody in the NBA talking or doing the kind of crap Klay/Green are to a guy like Wade, Kobe, ect? I Cant, so what is going on with LeBron that any random NBA bench player thinks they can run their mouth to a guy of his stature?

Im waiting for the day where LeBron throws his off court image out the window and plays like somebody who is 6'8" 270 and starts knocking heads in like prime Sheed. I dont know how he allows for other players to talk so much crap and not catch a stray elbow at somepoint the next game or at least throw some crap back their way. Like are you really jsut going to sit there and let Mo Speights and Klay Thompson talk about you like that?

I dont know.. like I said, just looking for some real logical discussion

[tone wone]

Heading into Mondays game is there any why for James to increase his scoring output?

Earlier in the playoffs I expressed concern with his lack of scoring in a potential matchup against an actual great team. That his 23-25 ppg heading into the Finals was perfectly fine then but eventually CLE would have face far more offensive pressure and that 24ppg just wouldn't be enough.

What I find interesting is for all the talk of his jumper is how little discussion there's been on how different his overall paint game has been. This GSW matchup just highlights a season long trend of him taking floaters, jumphooks and short jumpers out of his game. As a result, his post scoring has dropped off quite a bit IMO. Whatever gains in footwork/positioning/patience has kinda been undercut by a lack of range.

[afox]

He just doesn't have the other playes in the leagues respect...not physical bb respect...actual respect...Reminds me of Cam Newton...theres audio of Dlineman in SB calling Cam a fake ass bitch...I think players feel the same about James...Chasing titles and stacked teams...when it's obvious, he hasn't worked on his game, at least not very hard... hes 270 and flops, cries to the refs...It is weird though..No one would do that, like you said to MJ or Kobe...they were hard workin, no nonsense mf's...James has always had a little D Howard in him...plays too much, at least for me...doesn't do it so much anymore... now he just comes accoss as feelin entitled...like he should just win for showin up...its like he doesn't realize, MJ, Kobe, Timmy..they put the work in, sacrificed, in Timmy's case, salary...he doesn't get it...

[PaulieWal]

The Warriors are a GOAT level team and they know it. It's like when a pretty girl knows she's really pretty. They are about to make history by capping off a 73 win season to win the title and go down as the single season GOAT team in the eyes of many people (including mine). They are very different from the Spurs for example. The SPurs never get into off-court drama and just prefer to kill you on the court. Warriors are in the Cavs and LeBron's head IMO and they know it too. Actually I take that back. I don't know if they are in their heads but they do know that they are a bad match-up for the Cavs and have their number.

[PaulieWal]

He just doesn't have the other playes in the leagues respect...not physical bb respect...actual respect...Reminds me of Cam Newton...theres audio of Dlineman in SB calling Cam a fake ass bitch...I think players feel the same about James...Chasing titles and stacked teams...when it's obvious, he hasn't worked on his game, at least not very hard... hes 270 and flops, cries to the refs...It is weird though..No one would do that, like you said to MJ or Kobe...they were hard workin, no nonsense mf's...James has always had a little D Howard in him...plays too much, at least for me...doesn't do it so much anymore... now he just comes accoss as feelin entitled...like he should just win for showin up...its like he doesn't realize, MJ, Kobe, Timmy..they put the work in, sacrificed, in Timmy's case, salary...he doesn't get it...

Duncan didn't start sacrificing on his salary until he was well past his prime.

I don't care for the Cavs at all but it's objectively wrong to say that James hasn't worked on his game unlike other all-time greats.

[Quotatious]

He just doesn't have the other playes in the leagues respect...not physical bb respect...actual respect...Reminds me of Cam Newton...theres audio of Dlineman in SB calling Cam a fake ass bitch...I think players feel the same about James...Chasing titles and stacked teams...when it's obvious, he hasn't worked on his game, at least not very hard... hes 270 and flops, cries to the refs...It is weird though..No one would do that, like you said to MJ or Kobe...they were hard workin, no nonsense mf's...James has always had a little D Howard in him...plays too much, at least for me...doesn't do it so much anymore... now he just comes accoss as feelin entitled...like he should just win for showin up...its like he doesn't realize, MJ, Kobe, Timmy..they put the work in, sacrificed, in Timmy's case, salary...he doesn't get it...

Duncan didn't start sacrificing on his salary until he was well past his prime.

I don't care for the Cavs at all but it's objectively wrong to say that James hasn't worked on his game unlike other all-time greats.

I mean - why people think LeBron is still a top 3 player in his 13th season? It's certainly not just because of his athleticism (which is still amazing but clearly not the same it once was, at least not consistently, and with his jumper being worse than ever before, there has to be something else that makes him so great...and that's because his basketball IQ and work ethic are both absolutely elite, definitely top 5 in the league in both areas).

[PaulieWal]

He just doesn't have the other playes in the leagues respect...not physical bb respect...actual respect...Reminds me of Cam Newton...theres audio of Dlineman in SB calling Cam a fake ass bitch...I think players feel the same about James...Chasing titles and stacked teams...when it's obvious, he hasn't worked on his game, at least not very hard... hes 270 and flops, cries to the refs...It is weird though..No one would do that, like you said to MJ or Kobe...they were hard workin, no nonsense mf's...James has always had a little D Howard in him...plays too much, at least for me...doesn't do it so much anymore... now he just comes accoss as feelin entitled...like he should just win for showin up...its like he doesn't realize, MJ, Kobe, Timmy..they put the work in, sacrificed, in Timmy's case, salary...he doesn't get it...

Duncan didn't start sacrificing on his salary until he was well past his prime.

I don't care for the Cavs at all but it's objectively wrong to say that James hasn't worked on his game unlike other all-time greats.

I mean - why people think LeBron is still a top 3 player in his 13th season? It's certainly not just because of his athleticism (which is still amazing but clearly not the same it once was, at least not consistently, and with his jumper being worse than ever before, there has to be something else that makes him so great...and that's because his basketball IQ and work ethic are both absolutely elite, definitely top 5 in the league in both areas).

A lot of casuals treat Blake and LeBron like they are only dunkers or something. I never get it. How can you watch their games and not see their high IQ, their post game, their playmaking, and in LeBron's case his excellent defense when he's locked in?

Oh well, beats me...they must be super lucky to come into the league with all these skills.

[afox]

Duncan didn't start sacrificing on his salary until he was well past his prime.

I don't care for the Cavs at all but it's objectively wrong to say that James hasn't worked on his game unlike other all-time greats.

I mean - why people think LeBron is still a top 3 player in his 13th season? It's certainly not just because of his athleticism (which is still amazing but clearly not the same it once was, at least not consistently, and with his jumper being worse than ever before, there has to be something else that makes him so great...and that's because his basketball IQ and work ethic are both absolutely elite, definitely top 5 in the league in both areas).

A lot of casuals treat Blake and LeBron like they are only dunkers or something. I never get it. How can you watch their games and not see their high IQ, their post game, their playmaking, and in LeBron's case his excellent defense when he's locked in?

Oh well, beats me...they must be super lucky to come into the league with all these skills.

We just disagree guys...I've watched his jumper get worse over time...Im not saying he hasn't worked at all....Just could have worked more, or harder...u guys tell me then, why doesn't he garner the respect that a MJ, Kobe or Timmy gets...no one would dare call them out like they do James..

[Greatness]

The Warriors are a GOAT level team and they know it. It's like when a pretty girl knows she's really pretty. They are about to make history by capping off a 73 win season to win the title and go down as the single season GOAT team in the eyes of many people (including mine). They are very different from the Spurs for example. The SPurs never get into off-court drama and just prefer to kill you on the court. Warriors are in the Cavs and LeBron's head IMO and they know it too. Actually I take that back. I don't know if they are in their heads but they do know that they are a bad match-up for the Cavs and have their number.

According to Zach Lowe, the Warriors were extremely confident going into this series after that brutal Thunder series. They knew they could finally breathe a little as the Cavs just don't have the length and athleticism OKC has.

[JordansBulls]

The Warriors are a GOAT level team and they know it. It's like when a pretty girl knows she's really pretty. They are about to make history by capping off a 73 win season to win the title and go down as the single season GOAT team in the eyes of many people (including mine). They are very different from the Spurs for example. The SPurs never get into off-court drama and just prefer to kill you on the court. Warriors are in the Cavs and LeBron's head IMO and they know it too. Actually I take that back. I don't know if they are in their heads but they do know that they are a bad match-up for the Cavs and have their number.

Once you combine season and playoffs they aren't. If they win tomorrow they will be 89-15 and Chicago 87-13 once you include Season and playoffs. Also Chicago had a higher SRS rating and point differential. But I see what you are saying, just can't say a team that was down in a year one game from elimination needing to win 3 games in a row just to win a series is the single season GOAT team. As none of the all time great teams in 1983 Sixers, 1971 Bucks, 1972 Lakers, 1986 Celtics, 1987 Lakers, 1996 Bulls were down in series 3-1. Heck none of them lost more than twice in a series.

[te887848]

The Warriors are a GOAT level team and they know it. It's like when a pretty girl knows she's really pretty. They are about to make history by capping off a 73 win season to win the title and go down as the single season GOAT team in the eyes of many people (including mine). They are very different from the Spurs for example. The SPurs never get into off-court drama and just prefer to kill you on the court. Warriors are in the Cavs and LeBron's head IMO and they know it too. Actually I take that back. I don't know if they are in their heads but they do know that they are a bad match-up for the Cavs and have their number.

Once you combine season and playoffs they aren't. If they win tomorrow they will be 89-15 and Chicago 87-13 once you include Season and playoffs. Also Chicago had a higher SRS rating and point differential. But I see what you are saying, just can't say a team that was down in a year one game from elimination needing to win 3 games in a row just to win a series is the single season GOAT team. As none of the all time great teams in 1983 Sixers, 1971 Bucks, 1972 Lakers, 1986 Celtics, 1987 Lakers, 1996 Bulls were down in series 3-1. Heck none of them lost more than twice in a series.

Of course you can. 83 Sixers, 71 Bucks, 72 Lakers, 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers are a joke compared to 16 Warriors. None of those teams sniffed 73 wins and all played in a much weaker conference. In today's West their win total would be knocked down as well. Warriors playoff record is deflated because Curry missed games as well, and the Thunder this year have two top 4 players in the league, which is better than anything any of those other teams faced.

96 Bulls is a different comparison. Statistically yes, they are a better team overall except for the 1 less win, but it's tough to compare the two. None of the other teams you mentioned are better than the 16 Warriors though. Sorry. GOAT level team quite easily, 2nd best all-time at the very least and arguably the best ever.

[Lost92Bricks]

Of course you can. 83 Sixers, 71 Bucks, 72 Lakers, 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers are a joke compared to 16 Warriors.

Stop disrespecting the history of the game. 1986 Celtics a joke compared to the Warriors? Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about. How do you expect people to take your opinion seriously when you say stupid **** like that?

[G35]

Of course you can. 83 Sixers, 71 Bucks, 72 Lakers, 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers are a joke compared to 16 Warriors. None of those teams sniffed 73 wins and all played in a much weaker conference. In today's West their win total would be knocked down as well. Warriors playoff record is deflated because Curry missed games as well, and the Thunder this year have two top 4 players in the league, which is better than anything any of those other teams faced.

96 Bulls is a different comparison. Statistically yes, they are a better team overall except for the 1 less win, but it's tough to compare the two. None of the other teams you mentioned are better than the 16 Warriors though. Sorry. GOAT level team quite easily, 2nd best all-time at the very least and arguably the best ever.

First in the 80's the East was the stronger conference. You could make the comparison that those 80's Sixers/Celtics/Bucks to this years Spurs/Warriors/Thunder.

Second, I'm not sure if you are saying this years WC is stronger than those conferences, but the West was in a down year this year which likely contributed to those 73 wins.

The Warriors have had an amazing year, but there have been times when they did not look like the best team of all time or the best team this year. The Thunder did look like the better team and I know for a fact that was not the case with the 1983 Sixers, the 1986 Celtics, the 1987 Lakers. I imagine the 1971 Bucks and 1972 Lakers were the same since they had dominating playoff records.....

[JulesWinnfield]

The Warriors are a GOAT level team and they know it. It's like when a pretty girl knows she's really pretty. They are about to make history by capping off a 73 win season to win the title and go down as the single season GOAT team in the eyes of many people (including mine). They are very different from the Spurs for example. The SPurs never get into off-court drama and just prefer to kill you on the court. Warriors are in the Cavs and LeBron's head IMO and they know it too. Actually I take that back. I don't know if they are in their heads but they do know that they are a bad match-up for the Cavs and have their number.

Once you combine season and playoffs they aren't. If they win tomorrow they will be 89-15 and Chicago 87-13 once you include Season and playoffs. Also Chicago had a higher SRS rating and point differential. But I see what you are saying, just can't say a team that was down in a year one game from elimination needing to win 3 games in a row just to win a series is the single season GOAT team. As none of the all time great teams in 1983 Sixers, 1971 Bucks, 1972 Lakers, 1986 Celtics, 1987 Lakers, 1996 Bulls were down in series 3-1. Heck none of them lost more than twice in a series.

Tough to talk about those Bulls without mentioning they benefitted majorly from a league that expanded way too fast way too soon without the foreign talent pool which came later to help aid growth. The fact that the league added 6 new teams in the 6-7 years prior to that Bulls 2nd 3-peat absolutely aided them. That team had a clearly post peak Jordan and Pippen when they did what they did. Time has treated that team well (in addition to General MJ worship), because I'm old enough to remember how in the moment most people didn't even view them as better than the 86 Celts team or 87 Lakers from a decade earlier even on their way to an inflated and expansion aided 72. I'm not even convinced the 96 Bulls were better than the 92 Bulls, they just played in a weaker league

[HeartBreakKid]

I don't think the 96 Bulls are even a top 5 team all time tbh.

The argument that the 96 Bulls and now the 16 Warriors are better than the other teams because they won the most RS games is weak. There are diminishing returns on winning games in the RS, RS record doesn't matter all that much in the NBA - especially when you get to excessive amounts like winning in the 70s.


I mean that was pretty much proven given how GSW barely beat a team that won 18 less games than them...

67 and 83 Sixers are still the goat teams to me.

[bondom34]

Has this really become a thread on everyone fearing the greatness of GSW? Yeah, they're good. Real good. Not GOAT good.

[te887848]

Of course you can. 83 Sixers, 71 Bucks, 72 Lakers, 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers are a joke compared to 16 Warriors.

Stop disrespecting the history of the game. 1986 Celtics a joke compared to the Warriors? Yeah you have no idea what you're talking about. How do you expect people to take your opinion seriously when you say stupid **** like that?

Son, I've watched basketball longer than you've been alive. Anybody denying that the 16 Warriors is a GOAT level team is simply living in a fantasy land. It's a fact that they ARE a GOAT level team.

Plenty of teams have won 60+ games before. Plenty of teams have done mid to high 60 wins, which is nothing to sneeze at, but nothing out of the ordinary.

Nobody has done 70+ wins before except the 2 greatest teams ever. There's a world of a difference between 72-73 wins and 65-67 wins. The level of dominance, focus, attention to detail and overwhelming talent you need to have to win 70+ is significantly more impressive than mid-high 60s.

The 86 Celtics would get wiped out by the 16 Warriors. They have no chance against them and are worse at every single facet of the game, both offense and defense. The lone advantage they do have, post play, is completely nullified by the fact that for every easy 2 they'll score at point blank distance from the rim, the Warriors are able to convert twice as many 30-foot threes.

No team of the 80s would stand a chance at beating the 16 Warriors because the Warriors destroy any of them at the skill of shooting the 3. Simple math leads to the conclusion that they would end up with more points than the other team because they have mastered a shot, and take and make more of these shots than anyone in the history of basketball. And this is a shot that is worth more points than any other in the game.

Get over the fact that Curry and the 16 Warriors have completely and utterly revolutionized the game of basketball. They CHANGED the game in a way that the 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers could never dream of. There is no way an 80s style would stand a chance against an offensive onslaught like the 16 Warriors.

[te887848]

Of course you can. 83 Sixers, 71 Bucks, 72 Lakers, 86 Celtics and 87 Lakers are a joke compared to 16 Warriors. None of those teams sniffed 73 wins and all played in a much weaker conference. In today's West their win total would be knocked down as well. Warriors playoff record is deflated because Curry missed games as well, and the Thunder this year have two top 4 players in the league, which is better than anything any of those other teams faced.

96 Bulls is a different comparison. Statistically yes, they are a better team overall except for the 1 less win, but it's tough to compare the two. None of the other teams you mentioned are better than the 16 Warriors though. Sorry. GOAT level team quite easily, 2nd best all-time at the very least and arguably the best ever.

First in the 80's the East was the stronger conference. You could make the comparison that those 80's Sixers/Celtics/Bucks to this years Spurs/Warriors/Thunder.

Second, I'm not sure if you are saying this years WC is stronger than those conferences, but the West was in a down year this year which likely contributed to those 73 wins.

The Warriors have had an amazing year, but there have been times when they did not look like the best team of all time or the best team this year. The Thunder did look like the better team and I know for a fact that was not the case with the 1983 Sixers, the 1986 Celtics, the 1987 Lakers. I imagine the 1971 Bucks and 1972 Lakers were the same since they had dominating playoff records.....

Are you kidding? The 80s East was a joke compared to today's West. 2 teams were worth anything in the 80s East and the rest stunk. Celtics could play sub .500 garbage in the first round those years.

You absolutely did not have a big 4 with the talent level like the Warriors/Clippers/Spurs/Thunder.

The Warriors just separated themselves from a league that featured a top 5 player ever in his prime and currently a top 2 player (LeBron), a team with two of the top 4 players in the world in the Thunder, and a 67-win statistically all time great regular season team in the Spurs. 80s Celtics competition was a joke compared to that. Their 67 wins in the West today is more like 62-63 wins perhaps.

And honestly, no. Only reason the Thunder looked better was because Curry was clearly hobbled. That is literally the only point in time during this season the Warriors weren't crushing everyone. And still, despite a clearly hobbled Curry, they pulled off one of the all-time greatest playoff comebacks in history by overcoming a 3-1 deficit to win the series, which only adds to their case as a top 2 GOAT team.