The Lebron '20 Thread (Pt. 7)

[SideshowBob]

Lakers through 16 games: +9.0 SRS, +5.2 Offense, -4.5 Defense.

+9.7 SRS w/o HCA adjustment (+3 Road / -3 Home)

[yoyoboy]

- He can't do it in the West
- He marginalizes talented big men
- He needs amazing spacing to be effective
- He's bad for team chemistry
- He doesn't play defense

Any other narratives proven dead wrong we can add to the list?

[MyUniBroDavis]

Lakers through 16 games: +9.0 SRS, +5.2 Offense, -4.5 Defense.

+9.7 SRS w/o HCA adjustment (+3 Road / -3 Home)

Im curious what itd be like if the lakers didnt utterly suck in garbage time, in their 4 wins where garbage time happened theyve been outscored by 35 in the fourth quarters

[PaulieWal]

Anyone listening to Bill Simmons recently? He's legit devolving into Skip Bayless level of analysis and hot takes. It's been funny and pathetic to listen to him talk about the Lakers/LeBron.

[MisterHibachi]

- He can't do it in the West
- He marginalizes talented big men
- He needs amazing spacing to be effective
- He's bad for team chemistry
- He doesn't play defense

Any other narratives proven dead wrong we can add to the list?

- he's not the GOAT

[PaulieWal]

- He can't do it in the West
- He marginalizes talented big men
- He needs amazing spacing to be effective
- He's bad for team chemistry
- He doesn't play defense

Any other narratives proven dead wrong we can add to the list?

- he's not the GOAT

Lol come on. He's a legit GOAT candidate but it's not a narrative to say MJ, KAJ, and Russell may be the GOAT ahead of him. Personally for me it now becomes 1a/1b with him and MJ.

[kayess]

Lakers through 16 games: +9.0 SRS, +5.2 Offense, -4.5 Defense.

+9.7 SRS w/o HCA adjustment (+3 Road / -3 Home)

Raw ORTG/DRTG? Vs. League average?

+10 SRS is preeeetty sweet. What were the '17 Warriors at? +12-13?

[kayess]

- He can't do it in the West
- He marginalizes talented big men
- He needs amazing spacing to be effective
- He's bad for team chemistry
- He doesn't play defense

Any other narratives proven dead wrong we can add to the list?

- he's not the GOAT

Lol come on. He's a legit GOAT candidate but it's not a narrative to say MJ, KAJ, and Russell may be the GOAT ahead of him. Personally for me it now becomes 1a/1b with him and MJ.

Think he's being somewhat cheeky but yeah, ofc

[Ursusamericanus]

Being a bit tongue in cheek here, but if they sweep the finals, LeBron will have that over MJ. His Airness never swept the finals.

(Yes I know LeBron got swept twice).

[Mos_Heat]

Anyone listening to Bill Simmons recently? He's legit devolving into Skip Bayless level of analysis and hot takes. It's been funny and pathetic to listen to him talk about the Lakers/LeBron.

enjoying every second

[Heej]

Being a bit tongue in cheek here, but if they sweep the finals, LeBron will have that over MJ. His Airness never swept the finals.

(Yes I know LeBron got swept twice).

I was thinking that too. MJ can't say he swept anyone. This Heat team is a pretty weak Finals opponent tho. Guess it makes up for 14, 15,17, and 18.

Also I think the Lakers have more depth. They got 9 guys vs the Heat 6.5. Vogels rotation has been on point. He's doing what Bud thought he had the roster for. If the role guys are +2-way players then having more of them to play high intensity minutes is a major advantage due to how taxing the modern game is.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Lakers through 16 games: +9.0 SRS, +5.2 Offense, -4.5 Defense.

+9.7 SRS w/o HCA adjustment (+3 Road / -3 Home)

Raw ORTG/DRTG? Vs. League average?

+10 SRS is preeeetty sweet. What were the '17 Warriors at? +12-13?

119.4/105.8 with the warriors (108.8 avg)

116.9/108.6 with the lakers (110.6 avg)

They has 2 sub 100 games on offense though tbf, their raw off rtg is the same if you take out the bottom two warrior games and bottom 2 laker games on offense. The lakers also did face portland (3rd offense), houstan (6th offense), and the nuggets (5th offense), and portland were healthy (healthy they had the best offense i think), the rockets were hot from three (16-0 when shooting 40% or more from three, 0-3 vs us), and murray evolved during the playoffs, so our defensive rtg is quite good.

Lebron and AD have a lineup net of 15.9 (im using nba stats for this i used bball ref for the lakers and warriors raw off and def rtg)

116.8 offensive rtg 100.9 defensive rtg

Curry and durant were at +17.1, curry and draymond at +20.9 (126 and 108.9, and 123.7 and 102.8)

When you think of the guys around them this is def more suprising, but them being absurd defensively isnt a shock. Lebrons the most versatile wing defender in the league, davis the most versatile center defender in the league along with giannis and bam.

[NbaAllDay]

Almost makes me sad and wonder what damage Lebron and AD could have done together if Lebron was in his miami Prime. I'd honestly take AD 2020 and bring him to 2011 over Wade and Bosh. Dude is just that good and fits Lebron that much better.

[Greatness]

Like clockwork the narrative now changes to "this championship has an asterisk anyway" and "the Lakers had the easiest path ever".

[MyUniBroDavis]

Being a bit tongue in cheek here, but if they sweep the finals, LeBron will have that over MJ. His Airness never swept the finals.

(Yes I know LeBron got swept twice).

I was thinking that too. MJ can't say he swept anyone. This Heat team is a pretty weak Finals opponent tho. Guess it makes up for 14, 15,17, and 18.

Also I think the Lakers have more depth. They got 9 guys vs the Heat 6.5. Vogels rotation has been on point. He's doing what Bud thought he had the roster for. If the role guys are +2-way players then having more of them to play high intensity minutes is a major advantage due to how taxing the modern game is.

BuT THE hEAt hAVe 3-8#!!

Heat have simultaneously a nasty crew to guard lebron while needing to have 1-2 guys that will get abused by him on the court at all times its kinda tragic lol

[limbo]

Being a bit tongue in cheek here, but if they sweep the finals, LeBron will have that over MJ. His Airness never swept the finals.

(Yes I know LeBron got swept twice).

I was thinking that too. MJ can't say he swept anyone. This Heat team is a pretty weak Finals opponent tho. Guess it makes up for 14, 15,17, and 18.

What is the power level of this Heat team in your opinion (healthy version, not this crippled version after Game 1)?

Obviously they aren't better than any of the Warriors teams. They aren't better than the Raptors team last year either. 13/14 Spurs? Most likely not. How about 2012 Thunder, 2011 Mavs and 2010 Celtics/Lakers? I don't think they're better than the 2009 Lakers but they might be better than the 2009 Magic. Not better than either LAL or BOS in 2008, imo. Also not better than prime Spurs in 2007 and 2005, imo.

2005 Pistons level maybe?

[KTM_2813]

Like clockwork the narrative now changes to "this championship has an asterisk anyway" and "the Lakers had the easiest path ever".

I'd be curious to see what the statistics say. I feel like there's a real chance that in terms of opponent regular season performance, the Lakers have indeed had one of the easiest runs in recent memory. And that's fine. LeBron's teams had to go through the Tim Duncan Spurs twice and the GOAT four-year team Warriors four times. He deserves one of these.

[MyUniBroDavis]

Being a bit tongue in cheek here, but if they sweep the finals, LeBron will have that over MJ. His Airness never swept the finals.

(Yes I know LeBron got swept twice).

I was thinking that too. MJ can't say he swept anyone. This Heat team is a pretty weak Finals opponent tho. Guess it makes up for 14, 15,17, and 18.

What is the power level of this Heat team in your opinion (healthy version, not this crippled version after Game 1)?

Obviously they aren't better than any of the Warriors teams. They aren't better than the Raptors team last year either. 13/14 Spurs? Most likely not. How about 2012 Thunder, 2011 Mavs and 2010 Celtics/Lakers? I don't think they're better than the 2009 Lakers but they might be better than the 2009 Magic. Not better than either LAL or BOS in 2008, imo. Also not better than prime Spurs in 2007 and 2005, imo.

2005 Pistons level maybe?

Chill before you jinx it and we lose lol

I feel the heat team wont get swept but they have more clear weaknesses and arent nearly as unstoppable on offense

I mean alot of their success has been from zone but they cant zone against us at all. Buulding a wall wont work either since we adjusted to that (finally).

[Greatness]

Like clockwork the narrative now changes to "this championship has an asterisk anyway" and "the Lakers had the easiest path ever".

I'd be curious to see what the statistics say. I feel like there's a real chance that in terms of opponent regular season performance, the Lakers have indeed had one of the easiest runs in recent memory. And that's fine. LeBron's teams had to go through the Tim Duncan Spurs twice and the GOAT four-year team Warriors four times. He deserves one of these.

The Warriors run just last season was easier

[MyUniBroDavis]

Like clockwork the narrative now changes to "this championship has an asterisk anyway" and "the Lakers had the easiest path ever".

I'd be curious to see what the statistics say. I feel like there's a real chance that in terms of opponent regular season performance, the Lakers have indeed had one of the easiest runs in recent memory. And that's fine. LeBron's teams had to go through the Tim Duncan Spurs twice and the GOAT four-year team Warriors four times. He deserves one of these.

Tbf its a weird mix of them not facing a great rs team because the good playoff teams became great (altho clippers still choked lol)