The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3)

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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1521 » by ThaRegul8r » Mon Jun 13, 2016 12:50 pm

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PaulieWal wrote:The Warriors are a GOAT level team and they know it. It's like when a pretty girl knows she's really pretty. They are about to make history by capping off a 73 win season to win the title and go down as the single season GOAT team in the eyes of many people (including mine). They are very different from the Spurs for example. The SPurs never get into off-court drama and just prefer to kill you on the court. Warriors are in the Cavs and LeBron's head IMO and they know it too. Actually I take that back. I don't know if they are in their heads but they do know that they are a bad match-up for the Cavs and have their number.

Once you combine season and playoffs they aren't. If they win tomorrow they will be 89-15 and Chicago 87-13 once you include Season and playoffs. Also Chicago had a higher SRS rating and point differential. But I see what you are saying, just can't say a team that was down in a year one game from elimination needing to win 3 games in a row just to win a series is the single season GOAT team. As none of the all time great teams in 1983 Sixers, 1971 Bucks, 1972 Lakers, 1986 Celtics, 1987 Lakers, 1996 Bulls were down in series 3-1. Heck none of them lost more than twice in a series.


Tough to talk about those Bulls without mentioning they benefitted majorly from a league that expanded way too fast way too soon without the foreign talent pool which came later to help aid growth. The fact that the league added 6 new teams in the 6-7 years prior to that Bulls 2nd 3-peat absolutely aided them. That team had a clearly post peak Jordan and Pippen when they did what they did. Time has treated that team well (in addition to General MJ worship), because I'm old enough to remember how in the moment most people didn't even view them as better than the 86 Celts team or 87 Lakers from a decade earlier even on their way to an inflated and expansion aided 72.


I have no interest in the Bulls/Warriors debate, but only chimed in as someone who also watched the '96 Bulls in real time to agree that it wasn't until the passage of time that they became considered the GOAT team (though not unanimously), because at the time they were establishing the record people weren't saying they were thee greatest team ever (or even the best Bulls team ever). Which also means that—by the same standard—whatever people think about the Warriors either way right now, in 5-10 years all anyone will remember is that the '16 Warriors won 73 games and the title as it looks like they're going to. So they'll be the GOAT team. (Not to mention the fact that Jordan will mean even less to basketball fans in 5-10 years than he does now, when we already have a generation of fans who never saw Jordan play with the Bulls.)
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1522 » by Krodis » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:01 pm

While obviously Green has more than earned his suspension, it does annoy me a bit that LeBron basically gets rewarded for instigating a fight in a game that was basically out of reach.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1523 » by JulesWinnfield » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:28 pm

Krodis wrote:While obviously Green has more than earned his suspension, it does annoy me a bit that LeBron basically gets rewarded for instigating a fight in a game that was basically out of reach.


Well by all accounts Draymond instigated it verbally. Either way it was a smart move by Lebron given Draymonds situation. I could live without him snitching about the B-word though, even as a Lebron fan I think that's pretty damn weak on his part. That should stay on the court. If I'm the Cavs though I keep trying to bait Draymond if the series sees a game 6
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1524 » by Dupp » Mon Jun 13, 2016 1:58 pm

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Krodis wrote:While obviously Green has more than earned his suspension, it does annoy me a bit that LeBron basically gets rewarded for instigating a fight in a game that was basically out of reach.


Well by all accounts Draymond instigated it verbally. Either way it was a smart move by Lebron given Draymonds situation. I could live without him snitching about the B-word though, even as a Lebron fan I think that's pretty damn weak on his part. That should stay on the court. If I'm the Cavs though I keep trying to bait Draymond if the series sees a game 6



I've said it before but there's no way green just called lebron a "b word". Guys have called him that in the past and it's been a non issue.

I do agree whatever green said there was no need for lebron to bring it up.

As for lebron baiting green I thought it was a good vet move. Threw us a small bone in the series.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1525 » by kayess » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:27 pm

bondom34 wrote:Has this really become a thread on everyone fearing the greatness of GSW? Yeah, they're good. Real good. Not GOAT good.


I think they're GOAT good - but it is funny how we vacillate depending on LeBron's performance though. People who make a good case for him having a shot at the GOAT career value title will literally call him trash for hesitating to take practice jump shots
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1526 » by bondom34 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:30 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Has this really become a thread on everyone fearing the greatness of GSW? Yeah, they're good. Real good. Not GOAT good.


I think they're GOAT good - but it is funny how we vacillate depending on LeBron's performance though. People who make a good case for him having a shot at the GOAT career value title will literally call him trash for hesitating to take practice jump shots

That's what I find funniest. I think they're beatable, we just saw it last series. They're also incredibly good, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Just happens Lebron is in a really bad matchup so they look extra good, no matter how good the guy is he's not overcoming that.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1527 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:51 pm

I find it very interesting that the Warriors believe they can get in Lebron's head. The 2011 Mavs--namely Marion, DeShawn, and JET felt the same way and at times in that series appeared to have done so.

And put me in the camp that says the 2016 Warriors absolutely belong in a discussion of GOAT teams. I'm not saying they are the GOAT team but I wouldn't have a discussion without including them. And it goes beyond just 73.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1528 » by bondom34 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:53 pm

You're right there, they should be in the discussion, but the talk here has them as unbeatable after a Lebron loss.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1529 » by RSCD3_ » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:56 pm

Marc spears posted a tweet about what he sources mentioned was said between James and Draymond Green.

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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1530 » by JulesWinnfield » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:22 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:Marc spears posted a tweet about what he sources mentioned was said between James and Draymond Green.

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So hold up... Was Lebron the one who brought the use of the B word to the medias attention? Or did it come from another source? I was under the impression that Lebron offered that up, but now I'm confused. If it was Lebron then I think it was very weak on his part to snitch like that publicly, but if not I withdraw that. I didn't spend any time watching press conferences after game 4, I couldn't take consuming any media about that game
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1531 » by Greatness » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:40 pm

LeBron never brought it up, it was this anonymous source. Maybe that source is LeBron, but that's just speculation.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1532 » by kayess » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:51 pm

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bondom34 wrote:Has this really become a thread on everyone fearing the greatness of GSW? Yeah, they're good. Real good. Not GOAT good.


I think they're GOAT good - but it is funny how we vacillate depending on LeBron's performance though. People who make a good case for him having a shot at the GOAT career value title will literally call him trash for hesitating to take practice jump shots

That's what I find funniest. I think they're beatable, we just saw it last series. They're also incredibly good, the two aren't mutually exclusive. Just happens Lebron is in a really bad matchup so they look extra good, no matter how good the guy is he's not overcoming that.


I guess in a weird way, it's an ode to the objectivity of most of the people who usually post.

But yeah, being the GOAT team doesn't mean you're unbeatable, and you're right that they just look extra good due to the horrible matchup
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1533 » by JulesWinnfield » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:03 pm

I think they're just about as unbeatable as you could get right now if they're healthy. But they clearly aren't healthy. Don't care to debate this further though with those who act disingenuous enough to not grant that Curry is compromised, and well beyond the false equivalency of "everyone is banged up, no one is 100% this time of year."

Thunder could have done it against the version of GSW that exists in these playoffs. Didn't get it done. They didn't blow it though, Golden State took it back by force. Cleveland isn't completely done yet, but I wouldn't be saying that if Draymond was playing tonight. Still would be a mini miracle if they came back though
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1534 » by bondom34 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:09 pm

JulesWinnfield wrote:I think they're just about as unbeatable as you could get right now if they're healthy. But they clearly aren't healthy. Don't care to debate this further though with those who act disingenuous enough to not grant that Curry is compromised, and well beyond the false equivalency of "everyone is banged up, no one is 100% this time of year."

Thunder could have done it. Didn't get it done. They didn't blow it though, Golden State took it back by force. Cleveland isn't completely done yet, but I wouldn't be saying that if Draymond was playing tonight. Still would be a mini miracle if they came back though

"Curry is compromised" is not exclusive from "Curry is not playing well". He can be both, and they don't have to be totally related.

To me, they're not.

Just because Lebron can't do it, doesn't mean nobody can. The Cavs were somewhere around the 4th best team in the league this year, this result isn't surprising.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1535 » by GSP » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:16 pm

Its pretty hilarious how much this has blown up. Im 100% sure Lebron has been called a bitch numerous times in his career, think Marion called him it in 2011. God knows the type of things Kg or Joakim were saying.

The "Im a husband and father of 3" line kills me lmao. Lebron completely played Draymond like a puppet knowing how close he was to getting suspended and he fell for the bait.

BTW was the Undertaker known for making comebacks in Wwe or something? Kinda random that Lebron is wearing his shirt right now

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Post#1536 » by G35 » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:20 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:I find it very interesting that the Warriors believe they can get in Lebron's head. The 2011 Mavs--namely Marion, DeShawn, and JET felt the same way and at times in that series appeared to have done so.

And put me in the camp that says the 2016 Warriors absolutely belong in a discussion of GOAT teams. I'm not saying they are the GOAT team but I wouldn't have a discussion without including them. And it goes beyond just 73.



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Post#1537 » by RSCD3_ » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:23 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:Did the Per 48 minutes plus minus for the 6 players from both teams
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Cavs

James
160 Minutes On: -5.0
32 Minutes Off: -13.6
On/Off: +8.6

Smith
151 Minutes On: -3.8
41 Minutes Off: -19.9
On/Off: +16.1

Irving
151 Minutes On: -7.0
41 Minutes Off: -4.6
On/Off: -2.4

Thompson
110 Minutes On: -2.2
82 Minutes Off: -14.0
On/Off: +11.8

Jefferson
97 Minutes On: -9.0
95 Minutes Off: -5.0
On/Off: -4.0

Love
83 Minutes On: -11.6
109 Minutes Off: -4.0
On/Off: -7.6
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Post#1538 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:41 pm

B word? Seriously? Are we so PC now?
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1539 » by JulesWinnfield » Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:48 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:B word? Seriously? Are we so PC now?
F word, you must be S wording me!


I have no issue using that or just about any other word when it comes to real life. I'm pretty damn prolific when it comes to cussing. Not a surprise if you know of the character who inspires my screen name and avatar. This place seems pretty heavily moderated though so I find it simpler to just stay on the other side of that line.
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Re: The Lebron Thread (2015-16 Pt. 3) 

Post#1540 » by Colbinii » Mon Jun 13, 2016 5:03 pm

GSP wrote:BTW was the Undertaker known for making comebacks in Wwe or something? Kinda random that Lebron is wearing his shirt right now


The Undertakes won 21 straight WWE bouts, The greatest WWE wrestler of all-time, and also went to college on a basketball scholarship. Along with that, he has essentially been a "metamorphic" WWE star throughout his career, performing as many different persona's throughout his 31 year career.

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