(LOCK THREAD) The LeBron James- 23-24 NBA Thread - 40K POINTS+(Part 1)(NO INSULTING)

[Heej]

This front office has made too many idiotic decisions in a circumstance where they already started with very few avenues to rectify them. I have as little faith in DLo as everyone else, but he's only on the team because they were desperately trying to salvage one of the dumbest trades in recent memory. Limited guys like Reddish and Prince are playing major roles in large part because these dimwits let Caruso walk and traded KCP in the Russ deal. You just can't afford that kind of tomfoolery when your best players are old and/or injury-prone and you've already traded away your entire draft and almost all of your young talent.

^^THIS^^ And there are people out there "feeling" Pelinka has done a decent job? I just don't understand it. Again, yes would love another championship for Lebron, but this all seems like gravy to me. This guy is still this good at this age and mileage. Just enjoying the journey this year.

Who on earth thinks Pelinka has done a decent job? I think he's pretty inarguably the worst GM in the league and in recent memory as well.

AD trade gets him some points by technicality even tho from a technical standpoint he overpaid as the only bidder. LeGM deserves credit for that if anything lol.

And the move last year if you discount the regression from the players this year damn near got him an EoTY award. Magic giving away Zubac for nothing was f***ing insane tho, along with not re-signing Julius Randle. Insanely bad start. LeBron could've gone to Philly lol. Why did he choose to save the most incompetent franchise in the NBA

[nzahir]

^^THIS^^ And there are people out there "feeling" Pelinka has done a decent job? I just don't understand it. Again, yes would love another championship for Lebron, but this all seems like gravy to me. This guy is still this good at this age and mileage. Just enjoying the journey this year.

Who on earth thinks Pelinka has done a decent job? I think he's pretty inarguably the worst GM in the league and in recent memory as well.

AD trade gets him some points by technicality even tho from a technical standpoint he overpaid as the only bidder. LeGM deserves credit for that if anything lol.

And the move last year if you discount the regression from the players this year damn near got him an EoTY award. Magic giving away Zubac for nothing was f***ing insane tho, along with not re-signing Julius Randle. Insanely bad start. LeBron could've gone to Philly lol. Why did he choose to save the most incompetent franchise in the NBA

I remember that summer wanting him to end up in PHI, but knew it would sadly be LA

Things look bleak rn

We may get blown out tonight with no Bron either vs Minny on a b2b

But I still have hope on this season depending where things go. Lebron still looks great, but you can tell he is conserving energy for the end of games/more important games.

You need 8 guys come playoff time, we probably need to make a consolidation trade or two. Even if we move Dlo, Rui, and JHS for Lavine, we still have work to do.

We know we should then have 4 guys in AD, Bron, Reaves, and Lavine.

I think we have a guy in Vincent since he did prove it last playoffs, so that is 5.

Prince is in too big of a role rn and hasn't ever been great in the playoffs, but he can shoot and a good connector kind of guy, so that is 6.

As of now Vando, Cam and Wood aren't guys I want to rely on, but I think 1 has a role. Likely Cam or Vando.

Now we have 7 guys.....but need a backup big at least. Would get rid of Hayes

Backup Cs:
Isaiah Stewart: Could he and Bron patch things up lol?
Nick Richards: Not sure if we have anyhing Cha wants and he is a decent backup C
Dwight Powell: I can see the mavs moving off of him if we send them a 2nd or two since they have Lively and Holmes
Sign Cody Zeller: Meh, decent IQ, couldnt do anything vs Jokic though. But he is a FA
Drummond: Meh, a big body who can rebound, but low iq, horrible hands, and horrible touch

Lavine, Prince, Cam/Vando, Bron, AD
Vincent, Reaves, Cam/Vando, Backup C

Taking a look at all this, we are probably better off getting a wing like Jerami Grant rather than Lavine, unless we can get a decent cheap versatile SF or a buyout guy (unsure who these guys would be)

Torrey Craig is pretty meh, but an option, even with the injury he should be back by March.

[khaltheball]

I think Empire needs to look at the roster, compare it to the Top 20 offenses and ask why he would seriously expect this Lakers team to be better than those teams.

They have LeBron James. The GOAT, no?

Such a player should never ever be below average in offense.

And Anthony Davis, who is an elite off-ball threat (lobs, seals, offensive boards). And, while I was willing to excuse the abominable Russ-disaster because of his cancerous tendencies and their total lack of role players as a result of the trade, they now have 3 good shooters in DLo Reaves and Prince out there for the most part. That should be enough to be a competent NBA offense.

The lack of rim pressure from anyone but LBJ is highly alarming, the movement is inconsistent, the help beaters are rarely there, the shooting is not crisp, it just looks ugly watching them most of the time.

Last I saw (before the 2nd SA game) they had a top 10 halfcourt offense. It's their transition offense that's been weak.

I get it. Their halfcourt game doesn't look and feel like other teams and they've been pretty pitiful in the halfcourt during Lebrons entire tenure. But remember, they are the only team in the league with 2 all time great rim threats. They're not gonna be defended like everyone else.

Dlo feels like singke handedly flubs transition plays , him or Rui who can only dunk when open in transition then

[khaltheball]

LeBron and Davis are excellent.

I found it amazing that Lakers have only managed to find Caruso, KCP and Reaves as positive impact guys outside the big 2 in 5 years.. and Lakers let 2 of the 3 go..

I hate this is true those guys were ok but not special outlier level guys. Can’t believe I miss their D n sometimes 3 . I never got paying ThT over carudo if you’re not gonna pay tax for him . I hate that I correctly have guessed which of Pelinka many moves would fail . I really gotta wonder why that’s the case. He seems infatuated with names and media awards over fit /shooting so often or he just sucks at his job no idea.

Lebron and AD were 5th and 8th in epm and both top 10 in Lebron - no other guys on the top 100 Dlo fell out I think and reaves slowly climbing back . Embarrassing.

Even with the awful moves earlier all it would’ve taken Is picking Conley last year and maybe olynk as jazz don’t seem attached to him ; which is only reason I thought they didn’t get him last year. They maybe have a much better shot vs Denver eithout Dlo shooting 13% and being unplayably bad . And then they would’ve had tradable contracts and could’ve easily bid and got Jrue or harden even. Just painful to think they could’ve had Conley or turned him into jrue/harden and given Conley to jazz in a three way if they wanted . I feel for the first time checked out on this team and I don’t trust Pelinka to fix it and even if I did January 15th is a while away

[khaltheball]

Who on earth thinks Pelinka has done a decent job? I think he's pretty inarguably the worst GM in the league and in recent memory as well.

AD trade gets him some points by technicality even tho from a technical standpoint he overpaid as the only bidder. LeGM deserves credit for that if anything lol.

And the move last year if you discount the regression from the players this year damn near got him an EoTY award. Magic giving away Zubac for nothing was f***ing insane tho, along with not re-signing Julius Randle. Insanely bad start. LeBron could've gone to Philly lol. Why did he choose to save the most incompetent franchise in the NBA

I remember that summer wanting him to end up in PHI, but knew it would sadly be LA

Things look bleak rn

We may get blown out tonight with no Bron either vs Minny on a b2b

But I still have hope on this season depending where things go. Lebron still looks great, but you can tell he is conserving energy for the end of games/more important games.

You need 8 guys come playoff time, we probably need to make a consolidation trade or two. Even if we move Dlo, Rui, and JHS for Lavine, we still have work to do.

We know we should then have 4 guys in AD, Bron, Reaves, and Lavine.

I think we have a guy in Vincent since he did prove it last playoffs, so that is 5.

Prince is in too big of a role rn and hasn't ever been great in the playoffs, but he can shoot and a good connector kind of guy, so that is 6.

As of now Vando, Cam and Wood aren't guys I want to rely on, but I think 1 has a role. Likely Cam or Vando.

Now we have 7 guys.....but need a backup big at least. Would get rid of Hayes

Backup Cs:
Isaiah Stewart: Could he and Bron patch things up lol?
Nick Richards: Not sure if we have anyhing Cha wants and he is a decent backup C
Dwight Powell: I can see the mavs moving off of him if we send them a 2nd or two since they have Lively and Holmes
Sign Cody Zeller: Meh, decent IQ, couldnt do anything vs Jokic though. But he is a FA
Drummond: Meh, a big body who can rebound, but low iq, horrible hands, and horrible touch

Lavine, Prince, Cam/Vando, Bron, AD
Vincent, Reaves, Cam/Vando, Backup C

Taking a look at all this, we are probably better off getting a wing like Jerami Grant rather than Lavine, unless we can get a decent cheap versatile SF or a buyout guy (unsure who these guys would be)

Torrey Craig is pretty meh, but an option, even with the injury he should be back by March.

My feeling is if lavine is heskthy and only costs jhs /chridtie as assets eith rui n dlo you do that January immediately when possible . Then you use 2029 pick or other stuff for a backup rim protector or a spacing big who’s not awful / higher quality 3nD wing . Maybe warriors move cp3 n you get him for buyout or something rather fortunate but not convinced you can .

[zimpy27]

I just wish Pelinka used RPM or PIPM to make judgements on players..

Just look at some impact stats man, you will find good role players

[tone wone]

According to nba.com, LA is posting a unbelievable 104.8 offrtg in 1st quarters. This number would leave you light-headed and then you scroll to the left and see they have 119.3 defensive rating and it knocks you off your feet.

A -14.5 net rating in 1st quarters. It's a damn miracle this team is over .500. The only teams worse are POR & DET.
https://www.nba.com/stats/teams/advanced?Period=1&dir=A&sort=OFF_RATING

It shouldn't be possible to be this bad to start games. I don't know what's more impressive; that they play like the Pistons to start games or that despite this, they've somehow won 15 games.

[RRR3]

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Did the Ham defenders see this lol? This might be what pushed LeBron over the edge into making passive aggressive comments

[zimpy27]

I think a trade with Washington could help the Lakers out.

I like Tyus, Delon and a backup C in Gafford.

[PistolPeteJR]

I think a trade with Washington could help the Lakers out.

I like Tyus, Delon and a backup C in Gafford.

Yup I mentioned Tyus and Gafford as targets a few days ago. I really think they’re realistically acquirable without gutting the team. They should then target a starting wing for DLo+.

[RRR3]

I think a trade with Washington could help the Lakers out.

I like Tyus, Delon and a backup C in Gafford.

Yup I mentioned Tyus and Gafford as targets a few days ago. I really think they’re realistically acquirable without gutting the team. They should then target a starting wing for DLo+.

Pelinka will never make obvious moves like that though.

[rk2023]

I think a trade with Washington could help the Lakers out.

I like Tyus, Delon and a backup C in Gafford.

Yup I mentioned Tyus and Gafford as targets a few days ago. I really think they’re realistically acquirable without gutting the team. They should then target a starting wing for DLo+.

DFS?

[zimpy27]

I think a trade with Washington could help the Lakers out.

I like Tyus, Delon and a backup C in Gafford.

Yup I mentioned Tyus and Gafford as targets a few days ago. I really think they’re realistically acquirable without gutting the team. They should then target a starting wing for DLo+.

DFS?

Yeah DLo was an all star in Brooklyn. Could imagine him going back.

Even played around with DLo+Rui for Simmons+CamT

[Mos_Heat]

Russell been such a dog crap lately, I could argue if he just had played average Dlo ball they would've been fine

[zimpy27]

Yeah Lakers are in a ditch at the moment but they will dig out.
Main thing is trying to work out what upgrades make sense.


What is annoying is that DLo, Reaves, Vando, Rui, LeBron, Davis are still Lakers best players.

The new squad: Gabe, Reddish, Prince, Wood, Hayes
These guys have been underwhelming collectively. Lonnie is better than all of these guys and left for a vet min deal.
They just don't seem to mesh well. Prince is the best of the lot. Wood has spurts

[dcstanley]

Yeah Lakers are in a ditch at the moment but they will dig out.
Main thing is trying to work out what upgrades make sense.


What is annoying is that DLo, Reaves, Vando, Rui, LeBron, Davis are still Lakers best players.

The new squad: Gabe, Reddish, Prince, Wood, Hayes
These guys have been underwhelming collectively. Lonnie is better than all of these guys and left for a vet min deal.
They just don't seem to mesh well. Prince is the best of the lot. Wood has spurts

Prince and Reddish have been better than Vando and Rui for the season as a whole. Vando is hardly playable when he happens to be healthy. Though, Reddish is trending that way as well.

[zimpy27]

Yeah Lakers are in a ditch at the moment but they will dig out.
Main thing is trying to work out what upgrades make sense.


What is annoying is that DLo, Reaves, Vando, Rui, LeBron, Davis are still Lakers best players.

The new squad: Gabe, Reddish, Prince, Wood, Hayes
These guys have been underwhelming collectively. Lonnie is better than all of these guys and left for a vet min deal.
They just don't seem to mesh well. Prince is the best of the lot. Wood has spurts

Prince and Reddish have been better than Vando and Rui for the season as a whole. Vando is hardly playable when he happens to be healthy. Though, Reddish is trending that way as well.

Vando injured.. I like his impact on rebounds, I hope he can get his %s up. Rui I like better but he's also wearing a face mask.


Reddish, Prince, Vincent, Wood, Hayes... These guys are at 55% TS for the season and that's being dragged up by Prince mostly.

[Mos_Heat]

Yeah Lakers are in a ditch at the moment but they will dig out.
Main thing is trying to work out what upgrades make sense.


What is annoying is that DLo, Reaves, Vando, Rui, LeBron, Davis are still Lakers best players.

The new squad: Gabe, Reddish, Prince, Wood, Hayes
These guys have been underwhelming collectively. Lonnie is better than all of these guys and left for a vet min deal.
They just don't seem to mesh well. Prince is the best of the lot. Wood has spurts

Prince and Reddish have been better than Vando and Rui for the season as a whole. Vando is hardly playable when he happens to be healthy. Though, Reddish is trending that way as well.

Vando injured.. I like his impact on rebounds, I hope he can get his %s up. Rui I like better but he's also wearing a face mask.


Reddish, Prince, Vincent, Wood, Hayes... These guys are at 55% TS for the season and that's being dragged up by Prince mostly.

I just wish Pelinka used RPM or PIPM to make judgements on players..

Just look at some impact stats man, you will find good role players

By EPM Reddish and Prince are significantly better than Vanderbuilt and Hachimura

[zimpy27]

Prince and Reddish have been better than Vando and Rui for the season as a whole. Vando is hardly playable when he happens to be healthy. Though, Reddish is trending that way as well.

Vando injured.. I like his impact on rebounds, I hope he can get his %s up. Rui I like better but he's also wearing a face mask.


Reddish, Prince, Vincent, Wood, Hayes... These guys are at 55% TS for the season and that's being dragged up by Prince mostly.

I just wish Pelinka used RPM or PIPM to make judgements on players..

Just look at some impact stats man, you will find good role players

By EPM Reddish and Prince are significantly better than Vanderbuilt and Hachimura

Yeah but those guys are obviously injured. Rui has a face mask and Vando is still on minutes restriction

[ty 4191]

Question for everyone:

Is Lebron James the greatest player ever after age 36, overall, in NBA history?

PTS?RBS/AST per 36 Minutes, ages 36-38, NBA History:







Per 100 possessions (since 1976-1977):