PC Board OT thread

[Clyde Frazier]

RIP Grantland:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/10/30/espn-shuts-down-grantland-effective-immediately/

Hoping Lowe will continue in the same capacity for ESPN, or sign up elsewhere ASAP...

Yeah, i'm sure he could move over to ESPN's NBA coverage, but my question is would he even want to after the way they treated grantland? If he moves on, I hope he can continue his podcast in some capacity.

[Clyde Frazier]

Another great has passed away

RIP, Mel.

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/660215588984193024[/tweet]

[Quotatious]

Just found a really interesting, and shocking, stat - Tracy McGrady ranked 10th in the league in blocks in the 1999-00 regular season. He had 151 blocks in 79 games, which is 1.9 blocks per game, 4.3% BLK, in 31.2 minutes per game. That's when he was still playing for the Raptors, before he broke out as a superstar.

That's just incredible - a 6'8'' SG/SF swingman ranking in top 10 in blocks. That kind of shotblocking is what really good defensive centers usually get.

T-Mac was really a freak.

[ceiling raiser]

Detroit 7.41 SRS (2nd in East, 5th in the league) through 5 games. Still super duper early, but what do you guys think? Thoughts on SVG's schemes and rotations? Drummond?

[Dr Positivity]

Detroit 7.41 SRS (2nd in East, 5th in the league) through 5 games. Still super duper early, but what do you guys think? Thoughts on SVG's schemes and rotations? Drummond?

Very nice starting lineup but the bench could let them down as the year goes on, especially if someone gets injured. I say they have some cold stretches in the year but still make it to 40 Ws+ and 6th-8th seed

[ceiling raiser]

Detroit 7.41 SRS (2nd in East, 5th in the league) through 5 games. Still super duper early, but what do you guys think? Thoughts on SVG's schemes and rotations? Drummond?

Very nice starting lineup but the bench could let them down as the year goes on, especially if someone gets injured. I say they have some cold stretches in the year but still make it to 40 Ws+ and 6th-8th seed

SVG crack your top 5 current coaches?

[Quotatious]

Detroit 7.41 SRS (2nd in East, 5th in the league) through 5 games. Still super duper early, but what do you guys think? Thoughts on SVG's schemes and rotations? Drummond?

I haven't watched a full game of the Pistons so far this year, looking at their numbers, it seems like SVG has them play defense now, and that's the key to their success so far (offensively, they're poor), and another thing - Marcus Morris has been huge for the Pistons. Being traded from Phoenix to Detroit, and being separated from his brother was the best thing that could've happened to him. Now he's starting, getting a lot of playing time, and looking like a fringe all-star. Looking way better than Markieff so far this season. I'm guessing even SVG and the Pistons are surprised by how well he's been playing.

[sp6r=underrated]

I posted this in the off-season. Updated now that the season has begun

This is the contract status for all of the 2015 34 year old players and older who played a single game last year.

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Rk   Player         Age Contract
1   Tim Duncan        38   2017
2   Andre Miller      38   2016
3   Kevin Garnett     38   2017
4   Vince Carter      38   2017
5   Paul Pierce       37   2017
6   Manu Ginobili     37   2017
7   Jason Terry       37   2016
8   Pablo Prigioni    37   2016
9   Kenyon Martin     37   Retired
10   Nazr Mohammed    37   No Contract but has not officially retired
11   Dirk Nowitzki    36   2017
12   Chris Andersen   36   2016

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Rk   Player             Age   Contract
13   Shawn Marion       36   Retired
14   Kobe Bryant        36   2016
15   Rasual Butler      35   2016
16   Hedo Turkoglu      35   No Contract but has not officially retired
17   Elton Brand        35   Retired
18   Jannero Pargo      35   No Contract but has not officially retired
19   John Salmons       35 No Contract but has not officially retired
20   Brendan Haywood    35   No Contract but has not officially retired
21   Pau Gasol          34   2017
22   Luis Scola         34   2016
23   Matt Barnes        34   2016
24   David West         34   2016

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Rk   Player             Age Contract
25   Mike Dunleavy       34   2018
26   Jamal Crawford      34   2016
27   Tayshaun Prince     34   2016
28   Caron Butler        34   2017
29   Richard Jefferson   34   2016
30   Nick Collison       34   2017
31   Steve Blake         34   2016
32   Matt Bonner         34   2016
33   James Jones         34   2016
34   Udonis Haslem       34   2016
35   Reggie Evans        34   No Contract but has not officially retired

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Rk   Player            Age    Contract
36   Kirk Hinrich       34   2016
37   Mike Miller        34   2016
38   Jason Richardson   34   Retired
39   Dahntay Jones      34   No Contract but has not officially retired

EDIT: I am going to repost this at the end of the summer to see how many players voluntarily walked away rather than being unable to find a team

Many of these players who are still in the league are washed up and should be out of the league. The age limit and other rules gives employment to inferior basketball players

[RebelWithACause]

I haven't posted in here before, but wanted to announce that I am leaving RealGM.


I am not ok with how mods (actually only one)are so light on suspensions and my recent suspension is something that I am not ok with.

Yeah it was the Lillard thread, yeah I suggested this when I posted it on the GB, because I was unsure if it fits there:

"Since this this thread is more about Lillard himself than comparisons I thought the topic is more fitting for the GB board instead of the PC board. If not, a mod could move it."

Yet the thread was locked, not moved. I was a little frustrated, posted it here again and added a line like: great job as always mods locking this on the GB board without moving it even if I specifically asked for it..

Now the particular mod can come in and say, well rules are rules blah blah blah, in that case I will not support the site with its rules.
Being a little more communicative as a mod isn't a big thing and it would have been sufficient to shoot me a message saying bla bla the GB isn't for that, you're welcome to post it again on the PC board.
I have been a regular for 3 1/2 years now and constantly tried to contribute to the forum when I have the time.

If I decide to come back, you can contact me for RAPM and RPM stuff, since I will do calculate those myself from now on.

Lots of great posters here, so keep up the good work.

Cheers

[HeartBreakKid]

I actually just had my thread locked with no explanation as well.

[RebelWithACause]

I actually just had my thread locked with no explanation as well.

Yeah, I understand doing it for guys that write one liners and say discuss, but for regulars that post their thoughts and put their time into the post, this is just frustrating.

But dare you to let that frustration out in a harmless sarcastic one liner and you're going to be suspended...

I mean a lot of those mods are all over the place anyway, send the poster a one- liner why and all is good.
Missing or no communication is a huge problem and there should be something done about it.

[Dr Positivity]

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[Clyde Frazier]

[tweet]https://twitter.com/seth_rosenthal/status/664255400406052865[/tweet]

Look how far he takes off from, not to mention how quickly he gets up!

[Texas Chuck]

glad to see that. I was really high on Kristaps pre-draft(only liked Towns more) and thus assumed he would be a bust as I am anything but a draft expert, but I have liked what I have seen from him early.

[penbeast0]

I posted this in the off-season. Updated now that the season has begun

This is the contract status for all of the 2015 34 year old players and older who played a single game last year.

Code: Select all

Rk   Player         Age Contract
1   Tim Duncan        38   2017
2   Andre Miller      38   2016
3   Kevin Garnett     38   2017
4   Vince Carter      38   2017
5   Paul Pierce       37   2017
6   Manu Ginobili     37   2017
7   Jason Terry       37   2016
8   Pablo Prigioni    37   2016
9   Kenyon Martin     37   Retired
10   Nazr Mohammed    37   No Contract but has not officially retired
11   Dirk Nowitzki    36   2017
12   Chris Andersen   36   2016

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Rk   Player             Age   Contract
13   Shawn Marion       36   Retired
14   Kobe Bryant        36   2016
15   Rasual Butler      35   2016
16   Hedo Turkoglu      35   No Contract but has not officially retired
17   Elton Brand        35   Retired
18   Jannero Pargo      35   No Contract but has not officially retired
19   John Salmons       35 No Contract but has not officially retired
20   Brendan Haywood    35   No Contract but has not officially retired
21   Pau Gasol          34   2017
22   Luis Scola         34   2016
23   Matt Barnes        34   2016
24   David West         34   2016

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Rk   Player             Age Contract
25   Mike Dunleavy       34   2018
26   Jamal Crawford      34   2016
27   Tayshaun Prince     34   2016
28   Caron Butler        34   2017
29   Richard Jefferson   34   2016
30   Nick Collison       34   2017
31   Steve Blake         34   2016
32   Matt Bonner         34   2016
33   James Jones         34   2016
34   Udonis Haslem       34   2016
35   Reggie Evans        34   No Contract but has not officially retired

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Rk   Player            Age    Contract
36   Kirk Hinrich       34   2016
37   Mike Miller        34   2016
38   Jason Richardson   34   Retired
39   Dahntay Jones      34   No Contract but has not officially retired

EDIT: I am going to repost this at the end of the summer to see how many players voluntarily walked away rather than being unable to find a team

Many of these players who are still in the league are washed up and should be out of the league. The age limit and other rules gives employment to inferior basketball players

Good information, thanks. It's a lot of money to walk away from, not to say the only life most of these players have ever known or can conceive of. I don't blame them for trying to hang on.

Not sure how many 18 year olds would actually be productive; some possibly, but also some that are actually inferior to the older players but kept on for their potential. Not sure that wouldn't be better than keeping them in college when they have no interest in learning. Again, given the money and the chance to do what most of them have dreamed of since they first showed potential, can't blame them either.

[Texas Chuck]

I have to imagine had I been good enough to make the NBA that I would have had to be carried off kicking and screaming. Depending on my career, obviously the money would be some kind of factor, but also just knowing that it would be the end of something I had worked towards my entire life. I never fault a guy who can keep getting jobs for taking them.

We can argue whether or not its in the teams' best interest, but I totally understand it from the player's side.

[ceiling raiser]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/239835/Bulls-To-Own-D-League-Team-In-Chicago-Suburbs

22nd team in the D-League, Bulls will be the 13th NBA franchise to own/operate its affiliate.

[sp6r=underrated]

I have to imagine had I been good enough to make the NBA that I would have had to be carried off kicking and screaming. Depending on my career, obviously the money would be some kind of factor, but also just knowing that it would be the end of something I had worked towards my entire life. I never fault a guy who can keep getting jobs for taking them.

We can argue whether or not its in the teams' best interest, but I totally understand it from the player's side.

I totally understand the not retiring part. I wouldn't retire if I could get a contract. I posted this a few years ago on the GB board and it might be of interest to those here:

I thought this was a very interesting article on why so many great players hang around on the end. Mike Schmidt wrote the article about a washed-up, struggling Posada and about his own experiences at the end of his career. For those that aren't baseball fans, Mike Schmidt was a 3 time MVP, and one of the 20-30 greatest position players of all time. So, he can speak from experience about what it is like being a great player at the end of his career.

Baseball is not a physically grueling game. It invites the older set to hang around while on the decline. I’ve always been intrigued by this. I understand why Willie Mays played five extra years—money. Pete Rose, money and records. But why Ken Griffey Jr.(notes)? Why would any player from this generation want to extend his career even one day on the downside? They must love the life. The traveling and being away from family, the hotels and room service, the mobs of kids screaming for autographs and excessive media attention, on and on, I can’t understand.

If not the money, why not get on with life? This is where the selfish nature of the great athlete is exposed. His time is up, it’s now his family’s time, time to live for them, but few understand.

Life without the locker room is scary. My entire adult life, at least eight months a year was centered there. The camaraderie of the team sports life cannot be taken with you. The clubhouse or locker room, my fraternity house, was the sanctuary where we all longed to be. You can’t find it in retirement. It can’t be duplicated in the real world. The country club locker room is just not the same.

A normal life is full of the unknown. Case in point: The Phillies returned from the West Coast trip in late May a couple days following my retirement announcement and I was at home still in a state of shock over the last couple days. When 3 p.m. on the first gameday came, I wanted to go to the park, I wanted to take it all back … like, just kidding. What was I supposed to do from 3 p.m. till midnight? For 20 years, that was my time.

The excitement, adrenaline, butterflies, cheering, booing, 50,000 people, winning and losing, it was over, never to return. I was scared. This is why Michael Jordan, Brett Favre, Roger Clemens and others couldn’t retire. They were uncomfortable facing life outside the game.

Sure, you make your speech and say how much you are looking forward to a normal existence, but you’re not. You know it will take time to adapt, that you have no shield from the public. The game provided that shield, a built-in existence of ways to stay away from being normal.

. . .

It’s amazing how quickly you miss the rush from that level of competition, the pressure, winning the team battle, celebrating and being in the center of it. I’m out of the game for over 20 years and I still long for the energy and adrenaline that hits right before gametime.

But I also realize I can’t see, let alone hit, a fastball.

This article helps explain why Shaq would hang around with the Celtics and why MJ still practices with the Bobcats.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=a ... metoretire

[Quotatious]

Just looked at John Havlicek's gamelog from the 1970-71 season, and there's a pretty interesting thing about it - he averaged 28.9 ppg, but didn't score 40 in any game. Had a lot of 39, 38 and 37 point games, but none with 40 or more. That's really interesting, and it makes me wonder - what is the highest scoring average in NBA history, in a season, without scoring 40? I could bet Hondo's 28.9 in '71 is the highest, but maybe I'm wrong?

[Quotatious]

Anyone following the Bataclan situation? My God...