Slava wrote:zimpy27 wrote:Slava wrote:Anyways, for all the **** Davis has taken for not playing center until this season, Lebron’s reluctance to play PG full time, is a bit under-discussed, when that was the position he had the most success with the lakers and won a championship. Then it’s been one bad move after another to enable him to play off ball that has gotten us to the Westbrook sized hole in the roster.
Yeah the reluctance of being full-time PG through the RS is understandable. But it was Rondo leaving that precipitated the need for a PG, as well as Vogel wanting a POA defender to replace Bradley. Lakers had a 9m MLE and a 3.5m BAE to use to get a starting PG POA defender.
Wes Matthews identified wanting to come to Lakers as his dad played there. Lakers thought that if they could add Wes at BAE to replace Green. Then they could trade Green for the POA defender and get Schroeder. Seemed smart at the time except Green is much better than Wes, Wes just fits really well on the Bucks and looked great, whereas Green looks great everywhere.
Giving Harrell the MLE was probably the big mistake that offseason. Schroder trade was logical but didn't work out as wellbecause of what they lost in Green. Harrell never made sense for the Lakers. Overall though, Lakers probably win the championship if LeBron and Davis weren't injured and tem wasn't impacted by the short turn around.
The jump for Westbrook was because Schroeder didn't work out. Nunn was added as a cheaper option of Caruso. The problem with adding Westbrook was the initial problem that was covered by RS Bradley, playoff Rondo and Caruso. Lakers need a POA defender for Vogels system. Westbrook is not a POA defender. All decisions last offseason had one thing in common, they had no consideration of what Vogel needs to build a top defense. That's the true failure of this season.
I do think they overreacted to last season and instead of chalking it down to injuries and bad luck from a short turnaround time and building on top of it, they decided to scrape the roster altogether and add a ball dominant player that LeBron always envisioned playing alongside since Wade in Miami and Kyrie in Cleveland. I don't think Rondo leaving had much to do with it, otherwise they'd have just offered him the full MLE and kept that core together. He signed for less than the MLE elsewhere.
The identity of the team being big, athletic and defensively strong was enabled by the fact that they could have a 6'8 PG and the shortest defender would be KCP at 6'4. If you go for a more traditional backcourt, you start moving away from that identity and then they doubled down on it by tryin to move AD to the 5 this season. The hiring of Fizdale probably has credence to that idea too, as he is often the vocal proponent of small ball line ups.
Yeah agreed. They panicked last offseason. It was driven by Schroder not working out, he didn't sign the extension and they seemed to get a bit prideful about not bringing him back. I assume the players didn't like him all that much.
They did need to bring in playmaking last season and they had be an over the cap team this season.
LeBron was really trying to recruit DeMar but the real reason they didn't get DeMar was the hardcap issue, they found their hands bound the season before and didn't want that again. Once he was ruled out because of that it came down to Westbrook or Hield. I assume Hield came with keeping Schroeder.
I don't thinK Caruso was ever being kept beyond 7m because they had Nunn on the hook at 5m and they didn't value him like that. I'm pretty strong on that.
The Hield trade was Kuzma+Harrell for Hield.
Schroeder, Hield, KCP, LeBron, Davis -- Nunn, Reaves, THT, Melo, Howard
Don't think Monk comes if Lakers gets Hield. The pitch was him seeing an opportunity to be playing a big role at SG.
I do think keeping KCP and Schroeder would have been a much better team than Westbrook, also Lakers keep Isiah Jackson (#22).
Fizdale sucks, that's all LeBron. Losing Kidd was bad too, he's a good coach.
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