The Lebron Thread

IG2 · Post #161 » by **IG2** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:42 am

Rebuilding Year wrote:
This thread is only being dragged on by Sideshow Bob and the only other person as derangedly obsessed, his alt account IG2.

Rebuilding Year · Post #162 » by **Rebuilding Year** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:46 am

IG2 wrote:
Rebuilding Year wrote:
This thread is only being dragged on by Sideshow Bob and the only other person as derangedly obsessed, his alt account IG2.

Is that an admission?

SideshowBob · Post #163 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:48 am

This thread is only being dragged on by Sideshow Bob and the only other person as derangedly obsessed, his alt account IG2.

IG2's been arguing this for the last year or so. I only hopped on the Lebron's declined wagon in the last couple of weeks.

Obviously Miami fans don't deserve LeBron, so they have no business getting the best production out of him. LeBron betrayed his "hometown" and now "the curse" has him shooting a woeful 55%, ripping off 24-point quarters, and literally jumping over people for one-handed alley oops. It's like all the empirical evidence in the world isn't enough.

Is this what the issue is? If that's the case then I'd like to make it clear that I have nothing against Miami fans at all, and I have never taken that sort of stance. I don't really give a **** where he plays, I'm more concerned with how he plays.

I don't get how you came to that conclusion without me even suggesting so in the slightest

IG2 · Post #164 » by **IG2** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:51 am

SideshowBob wrote:Is this what the issue is? If that's the case then I'd like to make it clear that I have nothing against Miami fans at all, and I have never taken that sort of stance. I don't really give a **** where he plays, I'm more concerned with how he plays.

I don't get how you came to that conclusion without me even suggesting so in the slightest

This.

I'm just a LeBron fan too. I don't really care where he plays, as long as he plays well.

Rebuilding Year · Post #165 » by **Rebuilding Year** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 3:59 am

It's not that. I seriously think you have this irrational love for the time that LeBron was in Cleveland. The fact that he's "wronged you" by exercising his freedoms as an American to work where he wants has you completely twisted over how he's actually playing. And it has you nostalgically delusional over how good he actually was. Hang your hat on a few youtube clips. He's got 100+ games in a Heat uniform and he's done everything he could a few years ago. He is getting by his man at will this season.

Do I think he's been a little more cautious trying to preserve his body since rolling his ankle, especially with Wade being hurt at the same time? Sure, but he's just as easily demonstrated that he has the 5th gear.

This thread should have been locked when he jumped over a dude for a one-handed alley oop. How about we talk about how LeBron has learned to use his athleticism without the ball where he's even faster.

IG2 · Post #166 » by **IG2** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:14 am

Rebuilding Year wrote:It's not that. I seriously think you have this irrational love for the time that LeBron was in Cleveland. The fact that he's "wronged you" by exercising his freedoms as an American to work where he wants has you completely twisted over how he's actually playing.

I don't know if this is directed at me, but if it is, then you're just way off, man. I have zero interest in LeBron beyond the court. I have no emotion towards The Decision, his interviews, his tweets, his arrogance & everything else he does outside those 94 feet. I care about LeBron-the basketball player, and I liked him better pre-10-11 because he was a better player. That's all there is to it.

This thread should have been locked when he jumped over a dude for a one-handed alley oop. .

See, comments like these tell me you aren't following what we're talking about at all.

SideshowBob · Post #167 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:18 am

Because a lot of people here are using the 30/7/8 55% argument, I'll give you a 21 game stretch (same # of games as he's this season) from 2010. It's goes from January 2nd, 2010, to February 18th, 2010. I'll add the BBR link so it can be verified if my numbers aren't trusted.

His statline was 32/7.4/9.4 in 40.0 minutes per game, on 62.5% TS, with a TOV% of 9.1%, and average gamescore of 28.5, and an approximate PER of 34.1. Compare that to his current 29.7/8.2/7.0 in 37.5 minutes per game, on 62.5% TS, with a TOV% of 11.9%, an average gamescore of 24.7, and a PER of 33.3.

I'm bringing this up not to show that he was miles above what he's doing now, but merely to illustrate the fact that he's put up these stats and better stats before. Saying that he's putting up the best stats of his life doesn't really convince me of anything, it doesn't indicate to me that he's more impactful on the court than he was before.

SideshowBob · Post #168 » by **SideshowBob** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 4:22 am

Rebuilding Year wrote:It's not that. I seriously think you have this irrational love for the time that LeBron was in Cleveland. The fact that he's "wronged you" by exercising his freedoms as an American to work where he wants has you completely twisted over how he's actually playing. And it has you nostalgically delusional over how good he actually was. Hang your hat on a few youtube clips. He's got 100+ games in a Heat uniform and he's done everything he could a few years ago. He is getting by his man at will this season.

If that's the case then I digress. I won't try to argue because it doesn't seem like you're taking me seriously.

As for Lebron "wronging" me, didn't I already make it clear in the earlier post that I really don't care where he plays. His personality, or any players for that matter, isn't really of concern to me. I don't care that Kobe was accused of rape, nor do I care that Jordan was an absolute ass towards his teammates. All I care about is what goes on on the court.

This thread should have been locked when he jumped over a dude for a one-handed alley oop. How about we talk about how LeBron has learned to use his athleticism without the ball where he's even faster.

See when you say that, I get the impression that you haven't been reading any of my posts (or IG2's or toodles23's) at all. I've mentioned time after time that his leaping ability is not what I'm concerned with, and it seems like that's the go-to argument against anyone that tries to assert that Lebron's lost a step.

As for the thread being locked, I mean we're not attacking anyone or any fan base here. Half the comments in this thread haven't even been about Lebron's decline, it's more of a game-by-game discussion thread for the guy that's generally considered the best player in the league. I can change the title if that helps..

Josephpaul · Post #169 » by **Josephpaul** » Fri Feb 3, 2012 5:50 am

Some of you guys haven't been watching Lebron this year. You would of seen his dunks , his blocking people's easy lay ups, his actually having a post game. He's playing the best he's played in a while . Its to bad he breaks down in the 4th.

toodles23 · Post #170 » by **toodles23** » Sat Feb 4, 2012 12:29 am

Okay, Lebron's turnovers are getting completely out of control. He's averaging 4.8 TOs in the last 14 games, I can't ever remember a stretch where he was visibly having so much difficulty controlling and handling the ball. 2 already tonight in the first quarter. WTF is going on here?

IG2 · Post #171 » by **IG2** » Sat Feb 4, 2012 1:34 am

I hope nobody's missing tonight's game. We are watching LeBron's utter hopelessness on a night when his jumper is off.

SideshowBob · Post #172 » by **SideshowBob** » Sat Feb 4, 2012 2:20 am

Didn't catch it, I'll be watching tomorrow. Doesn't look too bad from the boxscore, other than the Free Throws and lack of FGA. I figure his jumper got going in the second half?

Okay, Lebron's turnovers are getting completely out of control. He's averaging 4.8 TOs in the last 14 games, I can't ever remember a stretch where he was visibly having so much difficulty controlling and handling the ball. 2 already tonight in the first quarter. WTF is going on here

Yeah, he's never had a stretch like this. The highest turnover rate he had in Cleveland other than his rookie year was 2010, when he was up at 9.1%, which would be expected, given he was dishing 9 times a game then.

Don't know what the issue is right now, it's getting ridiculous. Only 2 tonight though against the league's best defense. Good sign maybe

IG2 · Post #173 » by **IG2** » Sat Feb 4, 2012 2:31 am

SideshowBob wrote:Didn't catch it, I'll be watching tomorrow. Doesn't look too bad from the boxscore

He made it respectable by finally knocking down some jumpers late 3rd qtr. The first 2 1/2 qtrs were were fugly though. Try to imagine a LeBron who's cold from the perimeter and there are no transition opportunities in sight. He tried to attack the basket to get himself going and it was comical. But he found his stroke late 3rd, and to his credit, played probably his best game of the season beyond scoring.

But the theme of what we have been saying in this thread stands. The notion that he's playing the best ball of his career is :lol:

. He's the EXACT same player he was last season.

CJ_18 · Post #174 » by **CJ_18** » Tue Feb 7, 2012 4:19 pm

Durant in the Half Court:
98.66 points per 100 possessions
19.78 possessions a game scoring 19.52 points per game
124 points per 100 possessions in transition

Lebron in the Half Court:
101.52 points per 100 possessions
19.83 possessions per game scoring 20.13 points per game
142 points per 100 possessions in transition ( )

haters, shhh

SparksFly87 · Post #175 » by **SparksFly87** » Tue Feb 7, 2012 4:39 pm

Lebron is 27 years old of course his athleticism is declining but his skill and efficiency is increasing. Lebron is more athletic and skilled mored than 98% of the players in the league. Overall he is the best basketball player in the world right now. Stop being haters ! Just because he's not Dirk or Nash most of you guys feel he doesnt even deserve in the league. Most of you probally think all he can do on the court is Jump . 'He will never be on birds level'

orangeparka · Post #176 » by **orangeparka** » Tue Feb 7, 2012 4:51 pm

toodles23 wrote:Okay, Lebron's turnovers are getting completely out of control. He's averaging 4.8 TOs in the last 14 games, I can't ever remember a stretch where he was visibly having so much difficulty controlling and handling the ball. 2 already tonight in the first quarter. WTF is going on here?

He's just being stupid.

orangeparka · Post #177 » by **orangeparka** » Tue Feb 7, 2012 4:52 pm

Are there any stats of attempts/makes at the rim from his Cleveland days, last season, and so far this season?

InsideTheMind12 · Post #178 » by **InsideTheMind12** » Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:18 pm

orangeparka wrote:Are there any stats of attempts/makes at the rim from his Cleveland days, last season, and so far this season?

http://hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=LeBron%20James

I don't think he'll ever take as many shot attempts at the rim like he did in 2008 again. It's obvious that LeBron's declined athletically last season but this season he has gotten some of it back. He still isn't the athlete he was in Cleveland though and I don't think he ever will be.

Post #179 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:37 pm

LeBron's TO's seems to be focus related. Easier to take it easy and get a little more careless now than it ever was in Cleveland.

SideshowBob · Post #180 » by **SideshowBob** » Tue Feb 7, 2012 9:14 pm

orangeparka wrote:Are there any stats of attempts/makes at the rim from his Cleveland days, last season, and so far this season?

Yes. Hoopdata has that data. However, there is no data on how many of those makes/attempts are in the half court, how many are from transition and how many come off of open cuts to the basket.

I was able to use Synergy's numbers to estimate how many time he drives to the basket for THIS YEAR, and currently, he's driving to the rim 1.6 times per game, and converting 1.3 times per game.