2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

eminence · Post #161 » by **eminence** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:03 pm

Well I am looking forward to Utah v LAC 2x this week, I'll tell ya that much.

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #162 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:05 pm

thebigbird wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
Just like Kawhi Leonard?

He has had elite offensive talent around him in 2016, 2017, 2019 and 2020.

Raptors had nobody close to Klay Thompson, let alone Durant. People overlook having Klay on your team is like having peak Ray Allen.

Kawhi right now doesn't have elite offensive talent on his team this season. What's he doing? Leading them to #1 ranked offense and putting up peak LeBron numbers despite playing just 28MPG.
If having Klay is like having peak Ray Allen then losing him in the finals is pretty major, eh?

Not any worse than losing Draymond for a suspension. They are a 73 win trio for a reason.

Kawhi is putting up LeBron numbers in much less minutes playing while on the #1 ranked offense, not sure what you're going to criticize him for these days. I guess you'll need a new hobby my friend Hahahha. I predict the LeBron "old" excuses will be coming soon after Kawhi eliminates him.

Colbinii · Post #163 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:06 pm

eminence wrote:Well I am looking forward to Utah v LAC 2x this week, I'll tell ya that much.

Timberwolves vs 76ers

eminence · Post #164 » by **eminence** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:09 pm

Colbinii wrote:
eminence wrote:Well I am looking forward to Utah v LAC 2x this week, I'll tell ya that much.

Timberwolves vs 76ers

Finals preview right there

clyde21 · Post #165 » by **clyde21** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:10 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
2016/17 was Lamarcus and a bunch of washed bums. Is that elite? I wouldn't say so.

2019 playoffs: ECF Siakam wet the bed, 2nd round Lowry wet the bed. Kawhi had to do a heavy offensive carry job vs the top teams in the east.

2020 - pat Patterson? People were laughing in the thread when clippers signed him. Shamet? He's a 7th or 8th man off bench, Beverly? He's the opposite of elite, plays like somebody you see at a pick up basketball game, zubac has proven nothing. The starting lineup for clippers without George is actually below average offensively and kawhi is still at 8APG with nearly a 34 PER

16/17 - naw, not elite, but still tiers and levels ahead of this GSW team, it's not even close...which goes to show you just how bad this team is. by the same token, Steph carried teams in '13, '14 and '15 who didn't have elite offensive talent either...so not sure what you're point here is other than throwing a temper tantrum

2019 - you mean that same Raptors team that still had a 110 ortg with Kawhi off the court and went 17-5 without him? i wonder if this GSW team can go 17-5 without Steph

2020 - 3 game sample size, 1 against GSW, possibly the worst defensive team in the entire league, another a whopping loss to the Suns...and you're really trying to bring down Kawhi's cast again? he has 4 double digit scorers behind him including TWO 20+ scorers so far in Lou and Harrell...you know who the Warriors' 2nd leading scorer so far? DLo with a whopping 13ppg on 35% from the field.

If you think raptors were so good without Kawhi, why don't ya post the teams they beat without him? Than we all can laugh at that, just like I'm laughing at warriors without Klay right now. You're always underwhelming klays impact for a GS fan, so I guess you learned your lesson this season. Draymond is worthless without Klay.

1. can this GSW team go 17-5 without Steph, yes or no?

2. why did you ignore point #3? Kawhi has TWO other 20+ PPG scorers right now, Steph's 2nd leading scorer is a 13ppg scorer shooting 35% from the field

you really want to flex nuts at this point?

Colbinii · Post #166 » by **Colbinii** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:12 pm

eminence wrote:
Colbinii wrote:
eminence wrote:Well I am looking forward to Utah v LAC 2x this week, I'll tell ya that much.

Timberwolves vs 76ers

Finals preview right there

Don't jinx it!

thebigbird · Post #167 » by **thebigbird** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:12 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
thebigbird wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Raptors had nobody close to Klay Thompson, let alone Durant. People overlook having Klay on your team is like having peak Ray Allen.

Kawhi right now doesn't have elite offensive talent on his team this season. What's he doing? Leading them to #1 ranked offense and putting up peak LeBron numbers despite playing just 28MPG.
If having Klay is like having peak Ray Allen then losing him in the finals is pretty major, eh?

Not any worse than losing Draymond for a suspension. They are a 73 win trio for a reason.

Kawhi is putting up LeBron numbers in much less minutes playing while on the #1 ranked offense, not sure what you're going to criticize him for these days. I guess you'll need a new hobby my friend Hahahha. I predict the LeBron "old" excuses will be coming soon after Kawhi eliminates him.

The always reliable three game sample size. You never disappoint, that's for sure.

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #168 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:14 pm

clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
16/17 - naw, not elite, but still tiers and levels ahead of this GSW team, it's not even close...which goes to show you just how bad this team is. by the same token, Steph carried teams in '13, '14 and '15 who didn't have elite offensive talent either...so not sure what you're point here is other than throwing a temper tantrum

2019 - you mean that same Raptors team that still had a 110 ortg with Kawhi off the court and went 17-5 without him? i wonder if this GSW team can go 17-5 without Steph

2020 - 3 game sample size, 1 against GSW, possibly the worst defensive team in the entire league, another a whopping loss to the Suns...and you're really trying to bring down Kawhi's cast again? he has 4 double digit scorers behind him including TWO 20+ scorers so far in Lou and Harrell...you know who the Warriors' 2nd leading scorer so far? DLo with a whopping 13ppg on 35% from the field.

If you think raptors were so good without Kawhi, why don't ya post the teams they beat without him? Than we all can laugh at that, just like I'm laughing at warriors without Klay right now. You're always underwhelming klays impact for a GS fan, so I guess you learned your lesson this season. Draymond is worthless without Klay.

1. can this GSW team go 17-5 without Steph, yes or no?

2. why did you ignore point #3? Kawhi has TWO other 20+ PPG scorers right now, Steph's 2nd leading scorer is a 13ppg scorer shooting 35% from the field

you really want to flex nuts at this point?

1. No but the 73 win warriors could beat bad teams without curry. Durant warriors obviously could as well.

2. Draymond is a better offensive player than Harrell or Lou and Curry isn't working well with him, that's Curry's problem.

clyde21 · Post #169 » by **clyde21** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:20 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
If you think raptors were so good without Kawhi, why don't ya post the teams they beat without him? Than we all can laugh at that, just like I'm laughing at warriors without Klay right now. You're always underwhelming klays impact for a GS fan, so I guess you learned your lesson this season. Draymond is worthless without Klay.

1. can this GSW team go 17-5 without Steph, yes or no?

2. why did you ignore point #3? Kawhi has TWO other 20+ PPG scorers right now, Steph's 2nd leading scorer is a 13ppg scorer shooting 35% from the field

you really want to flex nuts at this point?

1. No but the 73 win warriors could beat bad teams without curry. Durant warriors obviously could as well.

2. Draymond is a better offensive player than Harrell or Lou and Curry isn't working well with him, that's Curry's problem.

what does this team have to do with the 73 win team?

Dray is not even close to being the same scorer as Lou/Harrell...like it's not even a conversation...what are you talking about? Harrell last year alone averaged 23 per 36 on 61% from the field and 64 TS%...meanwhile Dray's BEST season he dropped a whopping 14.5ppg per 36 on 49% from the field and 58 TS%...and Harrell is on pace to shatter that again this year.

seriously dude, your posts just continue to get more and more embarrassing every day, try to at least be somewhat reasonable or logical, this is getting bad.

MisterHibachi · Post #170 » by **MisterHibachi** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:24 pm

The Clippers are the number 1 offense due to their gigantic edge over the rest of the league in eFG%. The other three offensive four factors don't really look that incredible for them. 14 in TOV%, 23 in ORB%, and 5th in FTr.

The free throw rate is nice, but that eFG edge is really what's carrying them right now. It could stay at 61.3% but for some reason I really really doubt it.

cpower · Post #171 » by **cpower** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:32 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
cpower wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
Curry has a better team than 05/06 Kobe. Draymond is much better player than Lamar Odom. Kobe carried Lakers 05/06 with worse teams. If curry continues this play, it ends the Kobe/Curry debate. It should of never been a debate in the first place!

Curry can pound on you when his team overwhelms you but if things are even, he chokes. Now he lost Klay and he looks like one of the worst starters in the league to start the season. Curry is overrated man, just press him full court and he gets worn down and plays like crap. Even Shamet locks him up.

HBK you have been bashing Curry every thread and I wonder what is your issue. Every metric has ranked Curry really high for the last 5-6 years and what you said is ridiculous and baseless.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-players-of-the-last-6-seasons/

He's not an elite offensive anchor if he can only anchor teams with elite talent around him is all I'm saying. He's really stinking it up so far this year.

did you read my link? do you know what RAPM is? 8-)

clyde21 · Post #172 » by **clyde21** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:32 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:The Clippers are the number 1 offense due to their gigantic edge over the rest of the league in eFG%. The other three offensive four factors don't really look that incredible for them. 14 in TOV%, 23 in ORB%, and 5th in FTr.

The free throw rate is nice, but that eFG edge is really what's carrying them right now. It could stay at 61.3% but for some reason I really really doubt it.

speaking of which, Kawhi's currently 8th on the Clippers in eFG%, Harrell is at a whopping 80% eFG%

HBK_Kliq_33 · Post #173 » by **HBK_Kliq_33** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:33 pm

clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
1. can this GSW team go 17-5 without Steph, yes or no?

2. why did you ignore point #3? Kawhi has TWO other 20+ PPG scorers right now, Steph's 2nd leading scorer is a 13ppg scorer shooting 35% from the field

you really want to flex nuts at this point?

1. No but the 73 win warriors could beat bad teams without curry. Durant warriors obviously could as well.

2. Draymond is a better offensive player than Harrell or Lou and Curry isn't working well with him, that's Curry's problem.

what does this team have to do with the 73 win team?

Dray is not even close to being the same scorer as Lou/Harrell...like it's not even a conversation...what are you talking about? Harrell last year alone averaged 23 per 36 on 61% from the field and 64 TS%...meanwhile Dray's BEST season he dropped a whopping 14.5ppg per 36 on 49% from the field and 58 TS%...and Harrell is on pace to shatter that again this year.

seriously dude, your posts just continue to get more and more embarrassing every day, try to at least be somewhat reasonable or logical, this is getting bad.

Draymond is the reason warriors beat rockets last year and got to the finals, show some respect. Green is an elite playmaker supposedly? He averages all those assists and had triple double games. Curry is just turning Draymond into another guy out there to start the season.

clyde21 · Post #174 » by **clyde21** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 6:36 pm

HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
HBK_Kliq_33 wrote:
1. No but the 73 win warriors could beat bad teams without curry. Durant warriors obviously could as well.

2. Draymond is a better offensive player than Harrell or Lou and Curry isn't working well with him, that's Curry's problem.

what does this team have to do with the 73 win team?

Dray is not even close to being the same scorer as Lou/Harrell...like it's not even a conversation...what are you talking about? Harrell last year alone averaged 23 per 36 on 61% from the field and 64 TS%...meanwhile Dray's BEST season he dropped a whopping 14.5ppg per 36 on 49% from the field and 58 TS%...and Harrell is on pace to shatter that again this year.

seriously dude, your posts just continue to get more and more embarrassing every day, try to at least be somewhat reasonable or logical, this is getting bad.

Draymond is the reason warriors beat rockets last year and got to the finals, show some respect. Green is an elite playmaker supposedly? He averages all those assists and had triple double games. Curry is just turning Draymond into another guy out there to start the season.

yea, Draymond played well against the Rockets, what does that have to do with your nonsense that Dray is a better offensive player than Lou/Harrell? both Lou and Harrell blow Dray out of the water from a scoring standpoint...Dray's a better playmaker, but that's about it.

i've noticed every time you get embarrassed and start losing an argument you start narrowing the sample size you want to talk about more and more until it fits your BS narrative. not gonna work sorry.

clyde21 · Post #175 » by **clyde21** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:31 pm

i don't see how the Dubs get a win tonight tbh, Jrue/Zo are a pretty good match up defensively against Steph/Dlo, and any big they throw against will be able to eat regardless

MisterHibachi · Post #176 » by **MisterHibachi** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:35 pm

clyde21 wrote:i don't see how the Dubs get a win tonight tbh, Jrue/Zo are a pretty good match up defensively against Steph/Dlo, and any big they throw against will be able to eat regardless

Is Jrue playing?

clyde21 · Post #177 » by **clyde21** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:36 pm

MisterHibachi wrote:
clyde21 wrote:i don't see how the Dubs get a win tonight tbh, Jrue/Zo are a pretty good match up defensively against Steph/Dlo, and any big they throw against will be able to eat regardless

Is Jrue playing?

maybe not which would help tremendously, but if he plays I don't see a W

Dr Positivity · Post #178 » by **Dr Positivity** » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:53 pm

I was worried about D'Angelo being a regression candidate this year. He wouldn't be the first place to have a 20ppg season on a ton of shots and ok efficiency one year and then fall back to average status later.

liamliam1234 · Post #179 » by **liamliam1234** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:16 am

clyde21 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
what does this team have to do with the 73 win team?

Dray is not even close to being the same scorer as Lou/Harrell...like it's not even a conversation...what are you talking about? Harrell last year alone averaged 23 per 36 on 61% from the field and 64 TS%...meanwhile Dray's BEST season he dropped a whopping 14.5ppg per 36 on 49% from the field and 58 TS%...and Harrell is on pace to shatter that again this year.

seriously dude, your posts just continue to get more and more embarrassing every day, try to at least be somewhat reasonable or logical, this is getting bad.

Draymond is the reason warriors beat rockets last year and got to the finals, show some respect. Green is an elite playmaker supposedly? He averages all those assists and had triple double games. Curry is just turning Draymond into another guy out there to start the season.

yea, Draymond played well against the Rockets, what does that have to do with your nonsense that Dray is a better offensive player than Lou/Harrell? both Lou and Harrell blow Dray out of the water from a scoring standpoint...Dray's a better playmaker, but that's about it.

i've noticed every time you get embarrassed and start losing an argument you start narrowing the sample size you want to talk about more and more until it fits your BS narrative. not gonna work sorry.

I like how apparently Draymond is the same level playmaker as a grandmother, but when it became a comparison with Kawhi’s teammates (who led a historic comeback against a full-strength Warriors team and beat them twice at Oracle), Draymond suddenly became an offensive god.

eminence · Post #180 » by **eminence** » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:26 am

Pretty nuts to me that KAT will be almost unquestionably the #2 in franchise history after this season.