RealGM 2023 Top 100 Project - #5 (Tim Duncan)

[OhayoKD]

Good stuff, but a lot. Focusing just on the things I feel compelled to respond to:

Well offense is as perimiter oriented as ever right now and the best playoff defenses of this period have been...

-> The Giannis bucks
-> The Gasol Raptors
-> The Ad Lakers
-> The Draymond Warriors

Note that all these defenses have seen collosal collapses tied to the named player and all these defenses have the guy named leading the lineup stuff when they're doing atg things(notably the bucks collapsed to a little bit better than average in the regular season when lopez/jrue started posting comparable defensive +/- and then went back to all-time great in the playoffs with giannis lineups specifically doing the best)

What would you need to see to consider things clear cut?

I think databall has just made it more obvious that bigs are the leaders here. The change is in the ==type== of big, but all these bigs share alot of similarities with hakeem defensively.

I think the fact that the best defender of the current age, Draymond, imho, is shorter than Scottie Pippen and has smaller hands with less vertical threat than Michael Jordan says a lot about how much weight "type" is carrying carrying here.

But I certainly won't deny that size has advantages to defense. All of these guys are extremely large human beings after all.

I mean you can say this, but i'm pretty sure if you do the same "paint-load" thing i did with a random warriors playoff game, you'd probably find draymond taking up a bigger proportion of positions as the rim deterrent or co-rim deterrent than pippen and mj combined.

Does the process of getting there matter(intelligence/positioning as opposed to jumping or height) if the end result is the same? If a big defensively is a guy who protects the paint more than everyone else, draymond is still very much a big.

[WestGOAT]

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What is even more impressive to me here is that in the famous 1965 series against the Celtics, where they had a -9.4 relative defensive rating, Wilt had one of his greatest performances. He averaged 30 points, 31 rebounds, and 3 assists per game on a 55% FG%. Unfortunately, Larry Costello was playing injured and averaged only 5.5 points per game as the 76ers barely lost in Game 7.

Where are these stats available? I've seen a spreadsheet, from Elgee/Ben Taylor I think, with overall post-season relative ORtg/DRtg ratings, but never saw per series or game before for the playoffs.

Or were you referring to relative (to league average) RS DRtg?

[70sFan]

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What is even more impressive to me here is that in the famous 1965 series against the Celtics, where they had a -9.4 relative defensive rating, Wilt had one of his greatest performances. He averaged 30 points, 31 rebounds, and 3 assists per game on a 55% FG%. Unfortunately, Larry Costello was playing injured and averaged only 5.5 points per game as the 76ers barely lost in Game 7.

Where are these stats available? I've seen a spreadsheet, from Elgee/Ben Taylor I think, with overall post-season relative ORtg/DRtg ratings, but never saw per series or game before for the playoffs.

Or were you referring to relative (to league average) RS DRtg?

It's relatively easy to calculate when you have numbers for first rounds though.

[WestGOAT]

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Where are these stats available? I've seen a spreadsheet, from Elgee/Ben Taylor I think, with overall post-season relative ORtg/DRtg ratings, but never saw per series or game before for the playoffs.

Or were you referring to relative (to league average) RS DRtg?

It's relatively easy to calculate when you have numbers for first rounds though.

Could you give an example? Don't you need the number of possessions (or at least an estimate) to calculate ORtg/DRtg? Which is missing per game for older eras.

[70sFan]

Or were you referring to relative (to league average) RS DRtg?

It's relatively easy to calculate when you have numbers for first rounds though.

Could you give an example? Don't you need the number of possessions (or at least an estimate) to calculate ORtg/DRtg? Which is missing per game for older eras.

I just realized that Ben doesn't have pace numbers for postseason... I don't know why I thought he had it.

We can still do a very rough estimation by looking at the relative numbers from his database and compare it to per game numbers.

[ZeppelinPage]

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What is even more impressive to me here is that in the famous 1965 series against the Celtics, where they had a -9.4 relative defensive rating, Wilt had one of his greatest performances. He averaged 30 points, 31 rebounds, and 3 assists per game on a 55% FG%. Unfortunately, Larry Costello was playing injured and averaged only 5.5 points per game as the 76ers barely lost in Game 7.

Where are these stats available? I've seen a spreadsheet, from Elgee/Ben Taylor I think, with overall post-season relative ORtg/DRtg ratings, but never saw per series or game before for the playoffs.

Or were you referring to relative (to league average) RS DRtg?

RS DRtg through Basketball Reference. Although Ben Taylor also has RS data, I'm unsure if he has PS data that far back.