Do you consider Calderon a top 10 point guard?

Post #161 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:23 am

He's number 3, behind Brandon Roy and Baron Davis.

bringinhinkie · Post #162 » by **bringinhinkie** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:59 am

Bballer2306 wrote:In my opinion Tony Parker should not even be in the top 10.

Real Point Guards are meant to actually PASS the ball.

pg's dont havta have gaudy apg numbers, but parker is a big game player and has good leadership skills AND is a team player, you havta consider him a pg.. arenas on the other hand, i wouldnt consider a pg

bringinhinkie · Post #163 » by **bringinhinkie** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:03 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:He's number 3, behind Brandon Roy and Baron Davis.

whaaaat

1. kidd (most underrated player on realgm, why? idk i guess pretty much averaging a triple double while making everyone lightyears better tends to get overlooked :roll:

) oh ya and i dont like the dude
2. nash (wont be by end of year imo) see below
3. cp3 (hes my fav nonknick, but has yet to prove hes better than nash for a full season so you cannot leap him ATM for 1/2 a season)

roy and baron 1 and 2? sarcasm or?

edit: oh and lol at all you clowns saying baron is the best.. this guy shoots 42%, 41% for his career, a few years under 39%, yet puts up gaudy numbers and always hasn't won anything meaningful.. sound familiar? stephon marbury in his prime? prime stats, career stats, playoff stats, all nearly identical except marbury obviously has edge in career stats due to longer years in prime b/c of age.. but really neither has won sh*t, both are/were(marb) flashy players with sick handle/style, quickness, inconsistent fg/3p %, average defenders at best with very very good numbers.. yet baron is loved and people act like steph never was any good.. im not backing marbury, just pointing out who stupid it looks for you guys to say baron is even close to the best pg in the nba, sh*t if not for that playoff series vs dallas, none of you would have him at number 1 - thats the truth

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/baron_dav ... stats.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stephon_m ... stats.html

bringinhinkie · Post #164 » by **bringinhinkie** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:05 am

Southward1 wrote:Top tier:
Billups
Paul
Nash
Davis

Second tier:
Williams
Parker
Ford
Calderon

3rd tier:
Miller
Felton
Mo Williams
etc...

holy jkidd hate..

Post #165 » by **NO-KG-AI** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:39 am

[quote="KnicksMetsJetsNova"][/quote]

:crazy:

Brandon Roy just wins.

m23uza1hem36 · Post #166 » by **m23uza1hem36** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:20 pm

No, you forgetting about a few player's after your original top 8;

Sam Cassel,
T.J Ford,
Antonio Daniels (Washington's Current Starting Point Guard; Arenas Hurt),
Jameer Nelson,

That's a few that would most likely be better then him, Even though Sam Cassel is old he is still a top 10 point guard in my mind, take him out, take out T.J Ford, you still have Antonio, Jameer Nelson as well.

Kosta · Post #167 » by **Kosta** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:20 pm

NO-KG-AI wrote:He's number 3, behind Brandon Roy and Baron Davis.

So you're saying he's overrated now? So let me guess, you think he's behind guys like Miller, Bibby and Raymond Felton, right? Give me a break, he's top 10, whether you want to give the props or not.

Oh hey, nice run btw, what is that 14 out of 16 for the Hornets? Who were the two teams you lost to again? Just to refresh my memory, silly me.

Kosta · Post #168 » by **Kosta** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:21 pm

m23uza1hem36 wrote:No, you forgetting about a few player's after your original top 8;

Sam Cassel,
T.J Ford,
Antonio Daniels (Washington's Current Starting Point Guard; Arenas Hurt),
Jameer Nelson,

That's a few that would most likely be better then him, Even though Sam Cassel is old he is still a top 10 point guard in my mind, take him out, take out T.J Ford, you still have Antonio, Jameer Nelson as well.

Brandon Roy is better than all of them combined!

Kosta · Post #169 » by **Kosta** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:25 pm

KnicksMetsJetsNova wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

whaaaat

1. kidd (most underrated player on realgm, why? idk i guess pretty much averaging a triple double while making everyone lightyears better tends to get overlooked ) oh ya and i dont like the dude
2. nash (wont be by end of year imo) see below
3. cp3 (hes my fav nonknick, but has yet to prove hes better than nash for a full season so you cannot leap him ATM for 1/2 a season)

roy and baron 1 and 2? sarcasm or?

edit: oh and lol at all you clowns saying baron is the best.. this guy shoots 42%, 41% for his career, a few years under 39%, yet puts up gaudy numbers and always hasn't won anything meaningful.. sound familiar? stephon marbury in his prime? prime stats, career stats, playoff stats, all nearly identical except marbury obviously has edge in career stats due to longer years in prime b/c of age.. but really neither has won sh*t, both are/were(marb) flashy players with sick handle/style, quickness, inconsistent fg/3p %, average defenders at best with very very good numbers.. yet baron is loved and people act like steph never was any good.. im not backing marbury, just pointing out who stupid it looks for you guys to say baron is even close to the best pg in the nba, sh*t if not for that playoff series vs dallas, none of you would have him at number 1 - thats the truth

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/baron_dav ... stats.html
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/stephon_m ... stats.html

He was being sarcastic. And Jason Kidd in nowhere near top point guard status this season. Paul, Nash, Billups, Deron and Baron have all been better.

Baron 42%>Kidd 37%

You know how much of a difference that is?

jeff1624 · Post #170 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:23 pm

^^that he makes one more every 20 shots

:dontknow:

Kush · Post #171 » by **Kush** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:57 pm

With the exception of the defense and the accurate three point range, Calderon is closest pg you will ever get to Stockton/Nash clone. This guy is not only top 10 pg in the league, but I see only Steve Nash and Chris Pual being better pure PG than him.

1. Steve Nash
2. Chris Paul
3. Deron William
4. Baron Davis
5. Billups
6. Parker
7. Calderon
8. TJ Ford
9. Mo William
10 Felton

Hendrix · Post #172 » by **Hendrix** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:23 pm

jeff1624 wrote:^^that he makes one more every 20 shots

Kidd gets 1.05 points for every shot he takes. Baron gets 1.23 points for ever shot he takes.

Kidd averages 11fga/game. So if kidd takes 11 fga he scores 11.5points. If Baron takes 11 fga he scores 13.5 points.

Take a mediocre team Like Toronto who scores 97.72 ppg, and their opponents score 95.61. A differential of 2.09 ppg. Tack 2 free ppg on their total is 4.09 differential which brings them pretty close to Dallas who have a differential of 4.73 every game. Seems like a pretty big differene to me

ajmal · Post #173 » by **ajmal** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 6:38 pm

Kosta wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

So you're saying he's overrated now? So let me guess, you think he's behind guys like Miller, Bibby and Raymond Felton, right? Give me a break, he's top 10, whether you want to give the props or not.

Oh hey, nice run btw, what is that 14 out of 16 for the Hornets? Who were the two teams you lost to again? Just to refresh my memory, silly me.

ouch

jeff1624 · Post #174 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:20 pm

Kush wrote:With the exception of the defense and the accurate three point range, Calderon is closest pg you will ever get to Stockton/Nash clone. This guy is not only top 10 pg in the league, but I see only Steve Nash and Chris Pual being better pure PG than him.

1. Steve Nash
2. Chris Paul
3. Deron William
4. Baron Davis
5. Billups
6. Parker
7. Calderon
8. TJ Ford
9. Mo Williams
10 Felton

Calderon is a better playmaker than kidd seeing as he's not even in your top 10...

jeff1624 · Post #175 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:24 pm

Hendrix wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kidd gets 1.05 points for every shot he takes. Baron gets 1.23 points for ever shot he takes.

Kidd averages 11fga/game. So if kidd takes 11 fga he scores 11.5points. If Baron takes 11 fga he scores 13.5 points.

Take a mediocre team Like Toronto who scores 97.72 ppg, and their opponents score 95.61. A differential of 2.09 ppg. Tack 2 free ppg on their total is 4.09 differential which brings them pretty close to Dallas who have a differential of 4.73 every game. Seems like a pretty big differene to me

Failed thoery since it doesnt measure how it would affect the rest of the teams numbers.

Considering Barons a shoot first PG AND he doesnt matchup with kidds passing abilities I'd say the rest of the team would suffer...

Hendrix · Post #176 » by **Hendrix** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:10 pm

jeff1624 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Failed thoery since it doesnt measure how it would affect the rest of the teams numbers.

Considering Barons a shoot first PG AND he doesnt matchup with kidds passing abilities I'd say the rest of the team would suffer...

The question had nothing to do with that, lol. Kosta said do you realize how much a difference 37, and 42% difference is. The difference between their shooting %'s on 11 fga/game attribut to 2 extra ppg on shooting efficency alone. Scoring 2 extra points on 11fga would not make their team suffer. The rest of their skill set is a different story, although Baron has a PER of 21.8 compareed to Kidds 16.8

jeff1624 · Post #177 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:37 pm

Then everything you said before was irrelevant...

How exactly is shooting 8-20, that much better than shooting 7-20??

risktaker91 · Post #178 » by **risktaker91** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:44 pm

jeff1624 wrote:Then everything you said before was irrelevant...

How exactly is shooting 8-20, that much better than shooting 7-20??

Kidd is OVERRATED.

Great PGs can lead teams and win. Kidd has Carter and Jefferson on the wings but the Nets are still horrible. His rebounding is overrated and his shooting is on par with Larry Hughes.

jeff1624 · Post #179 » by **jeff1624** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:59 pm

risktaker91 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Kidd is OVERRATED.

Great PGs can lead teams and win. Kidd has Carter and Jefferson on the wings but the Nets are still horrible. His rebounding is overrated and his shooting is on par with Larry Hughes.

And what does this have anything to do with what im saying...

Did I say Kidd Is the best PG in the league?? No...

Did I Say kidd is having a great year?? No...

Did I say he doesnt deserve some blame for the nets woes?? No...

Those questions plus mentioning larry hughes name in the same as Jason Kidd merits a big STFU to you...

Hendrix · Post #180 » by **Hendrix** » Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:05 pm

jeff1624 wrote:Then everything you said before was irrelevant...

no it's not. The question was do you realize the difference between the %'s. I explained the difference in what their shooting %'s would make.

How exactly is shooting 8-20, that much better than shooting 7-20??

If they took 20 fga Baron would score 24.6 points. Kidd would score 21. Do you not see how scoring 3.6 points every game would be much better on the same amount of possesions for a team on shooting %'s alone?

Do you consider Calderon a top 10 point guard?

Is Calderon top 10 and rising?