PC Board OT Thread Take 4 [No Politics]

[eminence]

I personally hope we never hit the dreaming phase.

[1993Playoffs]

I know and no, it wouldn't replace sciencists. It's a tool sciencists would use in their job, yes, but it wouldn't replace sciencists work. Like you know, AGI can't create new problems to solve and it can't understand it. A lot of people still misunderstand the difference between intelligence with artifical intelligence.

From my understanding, the progress has been extremely fast if it’s currently this capable (don’t think we scratch the surface of all that it’s current version can do) Imagine the subsequent versions it’s probably gonna be able to generate any type of information, photo, audio or task. Build apps for you. Etc. basically anything you need you need. A lot of jobs are probably going to be obsolete.

Depends on what you say fast is. There's a bunch of things you can count as improvement if you grade on differences in "extent" as opposed to differences in "kind". On a fundamental level, AI hasn't really changed much since Turing. We are not really any closer to dreams of electric sheep which would be a prerequisite for replacing artists and scientists entirely

Honestly I am new to all of this stuff from the videos that I’ve been watching on YouTube describing it. It looks like we are really close to AGI. I mean maybe a decade or 2 at the most

From what I’ve seen GPT 4 made huge strides in AI. It’s just people haven’t caught on yet because it just came out this month.

[Texas Chuck]

AI is not replacing artists and nobody should be gleefully rooting for that.

[1993Playoffs]

I personally hope we never hit the dreaming phase.

AI is not replacing artists and nobody should be gleefully rooting for that.

Not rooting for it but you can’t stop the march of technology.

Some of the YouTube videos I watched shocked me at some of the use cases of gpt4

[OhayoKD]

From my understanding, the progress has been extremely fast if it’s currently this capable (don’t think we scratch the surface of all that it’s current version can do) Imagine the subsequent versions it’s probably gonna be able to generate any type of information, photo, audio or task. Build apps for you. Etc. basically anything you need you need. A lot of jobs are probably going to be obsolete.

Depends on what you say fast is. There's a bunch of things you can count as improvement if you grade on differences in "extent" as opposed to differences in "kind". On a fundamental level, AI hasn't really changed much since Turing. We are not really any closer to dreams of electric sheep which would be a prerequisite for replacing artists and scientists entirely

Honestly I am new to all of this stuff from the videos that I’ve been watching on YouTube describing it. It looks like we are really close to AGI. I mean maybe a decade or 2 at the most

From what I’ve seen GPT 4 made huge strides in AI. It’s just people haven’t caught on yet because it just came out this month.

I think videos like this might give a more realistic appraisal than most of what you've been watching:

Watch on YouTube

Not CHATGPT, but a very fun watch along similar lines:

Watch on YouTube

[ronnymac2]

When AI takes over and either enslaves or kills all of us, I hope all these dorks who use this CHAT-BBQ or whatever it's called have a moment to themselves right before their demise where they feel:

1. Guilt for enabling this calamity to happen, and
2. Regret for still being a virgin.

You can stop the "progress" of this tech. You just need to have the wherewithal and agency to go, hey, maybe this isn't the best idea, and then don't partake in crowdsourcing your species' conclusion.

[Dutchball97]

On the other hand, when a souped up google search engine can mean the end of our species then we're pretty fragile anyway.

[Jaivl]

Or just abolish non-manual labor, it's not that hard

[Texas Chuck]

It's fine. Matthew Broderick can just teach it to play tic tac toe and save the world.

[tsherkin]

It's fine. Matthew Broderick can just teach it to play tic tac toe and save the world.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME OF CHESS?

[OhayoKD]

It's fine. Matthew Broderick can just teach it to play tic tac toe and save the world.

WOULD YOU LIKE TO PLAY A GAME OF CHESS?

that seems a lot riskier

[Doctor MJ]

Interesting seeing AI come to the forefront of conversation everywhere.

fyi, I teach a high school AI class. Please do ask me questions on it if you're curious, though please refrain from calling me a traitor to my species.

Quick thoughts based on things being discussed:

- I do think AI is immediately dangerous in our society.
- I don't think "pausing AI" is a realistic option in a world where nations are still trying to conquer others through violence. People aren't going to stop, so the question then is always:

What can we do to maximize the outcome for us going into the distant future given the things we can actually expect to do?

- I do not think we're close to AGI. As someone who once worked at a company who claimed that AGI was their overarching goal, I still don't think we have any serious insight into how to achieve it.

- The thing that's striking us as the most AGI-ish, ChatGPT, can claim at most to have shown an excellent ability to pick up emergence skill with the depth of the model, but people project way too much human-type intention into the word selection of the model. And this isn't just a "not yet that advanced" thing. Human cognition is an embodied cognition. The words we choose come from what we experience with our body, from the things we can see, hear, smell, touch, to the physical metaphors we used in abstraction. If we're not grounding the model with this physicality, then all of this vocabulary isn't something that has meaning to the model, it's just an outfit it puts on as a response to the stimulus of the human prompt.

What we're getting back from ChatGPT is really a blurred mirror image of the collection of knowledge (true or false) and methods of discourse (nice or not) with some structure built in to make it more useful for common use cases and less likely to go negative.

- To be clear, I'm not saying that AGI is inherently impossible without an animal-like body, only that if you want an AGI that can truly think like a human, the qualia of embodiment are no small thing.

[HeartBreakKid]

Universal income baby!

[Colbinii]

Universal income baby!

You get it when you qualify for Social Security.

Big fan of UBI personally.

[Doctor MJ]

Universal income baby!

So, I've thought a lot about this for the US, and I think the best option is something along the lines of a permanent WPA where the focus is on things like:

a) always having a sense of what infrastructure needs updating and make sure we train and put to use people for this who have the capacity for it

b) encouraging community works and providing training on useful skills for both community benefit and broader national benefit

c) recognizing the specific need for skills and industries domestically and make sure that anything essential is not outsourced

This to say, I think there's a better way than "getting paid to do nothing".

[jalengreen]

Interesting seeing AI come to the forefront of conversation everywhere.

fyi, I teach a high school AI class. Please do ask me questions on it if you're curious, though please refrain from calling me a traitor to my species.

Quick thoughts based on things being discussed:

- I do think AI is immediately dangerous in our society.
- I don't think "pausing AI" is a realistic option in a world where nations are still trying to conquer others through violence. People aren't going to stop, so the question then is always:

What can we do to maximize the outcome for us going into the distant future given the things we can actually expect to do?

- I do not think we're close to AGI. As someone who once worked at a company who claimed that AGI was their overarching goal, I still don't think we have any serious insight into how to achieve it.

- The thing that's striking us as the most AGI-ish, ChatGPT, can claim at most to have shown an excellent ability to pick up emergence skill with the depth of the model, but people project way too much human-type intention into the word selection of the model. And this isn't just a "not yet that advanced" thing. Human cognition is an embodied cognition. The words we choose come from what we experience with our body, from the things we can see, hear, smell, touch, to the physical metaphors we used in abstraction. If we're not grounding the model with this physicality, then all of this vocabulary isn't something that has meaning to the model, it's just an outfit it puts on as a response to the stimulus of the human prompt.

What we're getting back from ChatGPT is really a blurred mirror image of the collection of knowledge (true or false) and methods of discourse (nice or not) with some structure built in to make it more useful for common use cases and less likely to go negative.

- To be clear, I'm not saying that AGI is inherently impossible without an animal-like body, only that if you want an AGI that can truly think like a human, the qualia of embodiment are no small thing.

Wow, I would've loved to take an AI class in high school. Lucky kids.

[sp6r=underrated]

I wasn't on the forum much when the story of Steph opposing housing in his affluent neighborhood. Fighting housing in the Bay Area requires being able to ignore all the following.

1. Homelessness is at record rates.
2. Median rents & home prices are sky high.
3. Vacancies are low.
4. We have an enormous housing shortage.

We have maybe the best jobs in the country but most people don't move here because they know they can't find decent housing.

Steph actively worked to block housing in his city. He should be ashamed of himself.

https://www.almanacnews.com/news/2023/01/27/steph-and-ayesha-curry-oppose-upzoning-of-atherton-property-near-their-home

[Colbinii]

I wasn't on the forum much when the story of Steph opposing housing in his affluent neighborhood. Fighting housing in the Bay Area requires being able to ignore all the following.

1. Homelessness is at record rates.
2. Median rents & home prices are sky high.
3. Vacancies are low.
4. We have an enormous housing shortage.

We have maybe the best jobs in the country but most people don't move here because they know they can't find decent housing.

Steph actively worked to block housing in his city. He should be ashamed of himself.

https://www.almanacnews.com/news/2023/01/27/steph-and-ayesha-curry-oppose-upzoning-of-atherton-property-near-their-home

Yeah--its rough. Minnesota is trying to pass a bill preventing corporations from buying homes.

https://patch.com/minnesota/saintpaul/mn-bill-bans-corporations-buying-homes-rent-out

Investor-owners, defined as people or entities that own two or more properties they don't live in, controlled 4% of local singe-family homes at the time, a still-small figure that had managed to double since 2006, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. Yet in some locations like northeast Minneapolis, Fridley, and Hopkins, that number exceeds 25%. "[Those places] are being transformed by corporate ownership, a phenomenon that shows no signs of letting up," wrote Strib reporter Jim Buchta. Last year, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison sued hedge fund-backed HavenBrook Homes for failing to maintain its portfolio of properties, which includes 600+ single-family homes in the Twin Cities. “They come into low-income community neighborhoods and they buy up and they buy fast,” HavenBrook tenant Shanika Henderson told the Minnesota Reformer.

[sp6r=underrated]

I wasn't on the forum much when the story of Steph opposing housing in his affluent neighborhood. Fighting housing in the Bay Area requires being able to ignore all the following.

1. Homelessness is at record rates.
2. Median rents & home prices are sky high.
3. Vacancies are low.
4. We have an enormous housing shortage.

We have maybe the best jobs in the country but most people don't move here because they know they can't find decent housing.

Steph actively worked to block housing in his city. He should be ashamed of himself.

https://www.almanacnews.com/news/2023/01/27/steph-and-ayesha-curry-oppose-upzoning-of-atherton-property-near-their-home

Yeah--its rough. Minnesota is trying to pass a bill preventing corporations from buying homes.

https://patch.com/minnesota/saintpaul/mn-bill-bans-corporations-buying-homes-rent-out

Investor-owners, defined as people or entities that own two or more properties they don't live in, controlled 4% of local singe-family homes at the time, a still-small figure that had managed to double since 2006, according to the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. Yet in some locations like northeast Minneapolis, Fridley, and Hopkins, that number exceeds 25%. "[Those places] are being transformed by corporate ownership, a phenomenon that shows no signs of letting up," wrote Strib reporter Jim Buchta. Last year, Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison sued hedge fund-backed HavenBrook Homes for failing to maintain its portfolio of properties, which includes 600+ single-family homes in the Twin Cities. “They come into low-income community neighborhoods and they buy up and they buy fast,” HavenBrook tenant Shanika Henderson told the Minnesota Reformer.

Corporations buying homes isn't really an issue. It is actually a symptom of the issue. The main reason firms like BlackRock buy homes is they are banking on the housing shortage continuing.

The problem is we've made it very difficult to build homes in many of our important job centers: Boston, LA, NYC, SF, DC and a few others.

The fix we need is to make building easier. This board has a no politics rule which I'll respect. But this is a political issue and the fixes are fairly simple but they are political and there is a powerful coalition that actively works to block supply. On that note I'll end.

[sp6r=underrated]

I was looking at old SI covers and man this one makes me feel old. Hard to believe this was almost 20 yrs ago.