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Re: RealGM NBA Top 100 LIST-please read penbeast on quotes 

Post#181 » by HeartBreakKid » Wed Jul 9, 2014 2:36 am

DQuinn1575 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Top 5 suggestions for fixing the voting:


Actually the simplest solution would be to form the first ever RealGM electoral college. First we need to elect electors which will be a simple 14 step process where we.....


Good stuff - made me smile.

Seriously though, we are in for a series of run-offs - I think we will have one for most evey spot going forward.


Pretty much. Most of these will likely end in run-offs, which I don't think is a bad thing necessarily. Still an improvement over the last ones system where 3rd parties had no say.
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Post#182 » by Baller2014 » Wed Jul 9, 2014 9:53 am

I have updated the team affiliation of the voters btw.

penbeast0 wrote:THE RealGM TOP 100 LIST of 2104
1. Michael Jordan http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1330968
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1331477
3. Bill Russell http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1332342
4. Wilt Chamberlain http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1332741&p=40408455#p40408455

Rules: Vote for 1 player. You may change your vote as consensus emerges but if so, go back and EDIT YOUR ORIGINAL POST. Votes without analysis will not be counted. If, after 2 days, there is not a majority consensus, the top; 2 nominees will have a 1 day runoff election to determine the spot on our list. NBA/ABA only, no college, international play, ABL, or pre-NBA play considered.

ELIGIBLE VOTERS

1. penbeast0 (Wizards)
2. DoctorMJ (Lakers)
3. rrravenred (Bucks)
4. tsherkin (?Raptors?)
5. Nate33 (Wizards)

6. TrueLAFan (Clippers)
7. DQuinn1575 (Bulls)
8. Narigo (Bulls)
9. Kayess
10. bastillon (Rockets)

11. baller2014 (Spurs)
12. lorak
13. Texas Chuck (Mavs)
14. JordansBulls (Bulls)
15. Quotatious (Blazers)

16. Gregoire
17. Ardee (Lakers)
18. acrossthecourt
19. Dr Spaceman (Bulls)
20. SactoKingsFan (Kings)

21. Jaivl (OKC)
22. Heartbreakkid
23. Rich316
24. RSCD3_
25. colts18

26. fpliii (Lakers)
27. Dr. Positivity (Raptors)
28. Owly (Magic)
29. Notanoob
30. Okada (Cavs)

31. NyCeEv0
32. Tomas11 (Rockets)
33. therealbig3 (Nets)
34. drza (76ers)
35. 90sAllDecade (Rockets)

36. Mutnt
37. Moonbeam (Blazers)
38. 0_6
39. An Unbiased Fan (Lakers)
40. DannyNoonan1221 (Bulls)

41 trex_8063 (Bulls)
42. MacGill (Raptors)
43. PCProductions (Warriors)
44. GC Pantalones (Knicks)
45. magicmerl (Magic)

46. B_Creamy (Heat)
47. Greatness (Raptors)
48. batmana (Spurs)
49. DHodgkins (Celtics)
50. Basketballefan

51. aal04
52. D Nice (Lakers)
53. Warspite (Pistons)
54. ronnymac2 (Knicks)
55. Rico381 (GSW)

ADDED to Board at #3 DISCUSSION

56. RayBan-Sematra (?Lakers?)
57. Clyde Frazier (Knicks)

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58. andrewww
59. john248
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Post#183 » by andrewww » Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:34 am

Baller2014 wrote:I have updated the team affiliation of the voters btw.

penbeast0 wrote:THE RealGM TOP 100 LIST of 2104
1. Michael Jordan http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1330968
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1331477
3. Bill Russell http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1332342
4. Wilt Chamberlain http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1332741&p=40408455#p40408455

Rules: Vote for 1 player. You may change your vote as consensus emerges but if so, go back and EDIT YOUR ORIGINAL POST. Votes without analysis will not be counted. If, after 2 days, there is not a majority consensus, the top; 2 nominees will have a 1 day runoff election to determine the spot on our list. NBA/ABA only, no college, international play, ABL, or pre-NBA play considered.

ELIGIBLE VOTERS

1. penbeast0 (Wizards)
2. DoctorMJ (Lakers)
3. rrravenred (Bucks)
4. tsherkin (?Raptors?)
5. Nate33 (Wizards)

6. TrueLAFan (Clippers)
7. DQuinn1575 (Bulls)
8. Narigo (Bulls)
9. Kayess
10. bastillon (Rockets)

11. baller2014 (Spurs)
12. lorak
13. Texas Chuck (Mavs)
14. JordansBulls (Bulls)
15. Quotatious (Blazers)

16. Gregoire
17. Ardee (Lakers)
18. acrossthecourt
19. Dr Spaceman (Bulls)
20. SactoKingsFan (Kings)

21. Jaivl (OKC)
22. Heartbreakkid
23. Rich316
24. RSCD3_
25. colts18

26. fpliii (Lakers)
27. Dr. Positivity (Raptors)
28. Owly (Magic)
29. Notanoob
30. Okada (Cavs)

31. NyCeEv0
32. Tomas11 (Rockets)
33. therealbig3 (Nets)
34. drza (76ers)
35. 90sAllDecade (Rockets)

36. Mutnt
37. Moonbeam (Blazers)
38. 0_6
39. An Unbiased Fan (Lakers)
40. DannyNoonan1221 (Bulls)

41 trex_8063 (Bulls)
42. MacGill (Raptors)
43. PCProductions (Warriors)
44. GC Pantalones (Knicks)
45. magicmerl (Magic)

46. B_Creamy (Heat)
47. Greatness (Raptors)
48. batmana (Spurs)
49. DHodgkins (Celtics)
50. Basketballefan

51. aal04
52. D Nice (Lakers)
53. Warspite (Pistons)
54. ronnymac2 (Knicks)
55. Rico381 (GSW)

ADDED to Board at #3 DISCUSSION

56. RayBan-Sematra (?Lakers?)
57. Clyde Frazier (Knicks)

TO JOIN at #5 DISCUSSION
58. andrewww
59. john248


My affiliation is with the Lakers, thanks.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-list, joining the project, metathink 

Post#184 » by lorak » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:46 am

Instead of team affiliation it would be better to know what criteria people use to rank players.
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Post#185 » by Baller2014 » Thu Jul 10, 2014 10:21 am

That's not easily captured in a short, punchy heading next to their names though. :D
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-list, joining the project, metathink 

Post#186 » by penbeast0 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:09 pm

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Seriously, I'm thinking of cutting the first vote to 1 day then 1 day for runoff. The second day discussion tends to be less valuable and more sidetracked and we are looking at running into the opening of next year's season.

On the other hand, if people are finding 3 day discussions of 60 players more valuable than they would find 2 day discussions of 100 players . . . I'll leave it. Any input?
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Post#187 » by colts18 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:17 pm

penbeast0 wrote:penbeast0 (most likely to win me a ring)

Seriously, I'm thinking of cutting the first vote to 1 day then 1 day for runoff. The second day discussion tends to be less valuable and more sidetracked and we are looking at running into the opening of next year's season.

On the other hand, if people are finding 3 day discussions of 60 players more valuable than they would find 2 day discussions of 100 players . . . I'll leave it. Any input?

1 day will be too little when we get around #20. The threads will be around 3 pages. For now, 1-1.5 days could work, but later on it wont work. The top 5 voting method might work for the later rounds.
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Post#188 » by ceiling raiser » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:25 pm

lorak wrote:Instead of team affiliation it would be better to know what criteria people use to rank players.

Mainly I want to see some indication of a guy's ability to have a high level of impact in today's league. This is a very fuzzy criterion though, so there's a lot of guesswork (probably wrong more often than I'm right, but I'll have fun guessing :) ) extrapolating how a guy would do today from the past.

For the most part though, I think we have a very good idea about guys in the RAPM era (still would like to see complete RAPM for the first few seasons of J.E.'s dataset, since there's a good deal missing, according to a link colts18 posted).
Now that's the difference between first and last place.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#189 » by Baller2014 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:44 pm

I think 1 day is plenty, but if others don't maybe compromise and make it 36 hours?
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Post#190 » by JordansBulls » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:52 pm

penbeast0 wrote:penbeast0 (most likely to win me a ring)

Seriously, I'm thinking of cutting the first vote to 1 day then 1 day for runoff. The second day discussion tends to be less valuable and more sidetracked and we are looking at running into the opening of next year's season.

On the other hand, if people are finding 3 day discussions of 60 players more valuable than they would find 2 day discussions of 100 players . . . I'll leave it. Any input?

To be honest after the top 50 I dont think the project is that interesting as much which is why there is little discussion after that.

I say keep it at 2 days and then the 3rd day as the runoff. People may tend to go out of town and may not have the same level of access to post or do some analysis on each so having an extra day would help so they don't miss 2 or 3 rankings in a row.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#191 » by MacGill » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:58 pm

What would be nice to see if all of the 59+ voters making a case and placing a vote with amendments being made throughout. Discussion is great but so far you have some voters just here to get a player in and you don't hear from them again? If you're going to sign up, you should be voting. We are already to what 34 votes for this run-off? I know things come up but this is only #5 and we also lose information as well.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#192 » by SactoKingsFan » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:49 pm

I don't think 1 day is enough time. Maybe 36 hours for voting + 12 hours for run-offs.

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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-list, joining the project, metathink 

Post#193 » by HeartBreakKid » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:28 pm

penbeast0 wrote:penbeast0 (most likely to win me a ring)

Seriously, I'm thinking of cutting the first vote to 1 day then 1 day for runoff. The second day discussion tends to be less valuable and more sidetracked and we are looking at running into the opening of next year's season.

On the other hand, if people are finding 3 day discussions of 60 players more valuable than they would find 2 day discussions of 100 players . . . I'll leave it. Any input?


One day is incredibly short.

People here have work, kids, school etc - half of the day people here probably do not have the chance to browse. Then people do what ever they do with their summer time. They sign on, and they have to read 12 pages of text in order to catch up with the thread, then make a decision based on who they want, all in 24 hours - and they have to do this a 100 times?

It's too little time frame. 2 days and a run off vote is fine, even if that means this project will likely take a very long time, the alternative of one day voting I think is too much.


Well, maybe I shouldn't speak so soon, but as of now we shouldn't make many rash changes to the list because we are currently in the top ten. How the top ten-twenty will be dealt with will be significantly different from 30-100. We shouldn't make too many changes yet, because when we're at pick #45, one day isn't going to be enough to sort through the 6 different nominees that people will be debating for/against, there might not be an obvious 2 people who will lead the polls like there there have been from picks #1-5.



I also feel that past the top 20, debating will hold much more weight as most people's top tens and to an extent top 15s are usually set in stone before coming into these threads (which should make sense, because the top ten GOATs are the most analyzed, consistently compared and well studied).
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#194 » by john248 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:37 pm

Doesn't really matter to me if it's 1 or 2 days. If I had been a participant earlier, I would've missed #4 due to the holiday weekend but that happens. I'd imagine after #50 though, as JordanBulls said, it'd slow down regardless.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#195 » by An Unbiased Fan » Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:27 pm

This was my concern in the beginning. To me 3 days of talk is good for the Top 10, and then 2/1 for the Top 25. After that you could go 1/1.

The first votes have been a bit rushed because they start on 4th of July weekend, and have been rapid fire ever since. Also way too many people counting votes and trying to call votes early.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#196 » by trex_8063 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:50 pm

Baller2014 wrote:I think 1 day is plenty, but if others don't maybe compromise and make it 36 hours?


Something like this should be fine, imo. 24 hours for initial voting does seem a little short (if life happens, and people simply can't get to the forum they'll miss the opportunity to vote); but with 48 hours we are consistently getting impatient chatter (I'm guilty of it myself) to hurry up and count. 36 seems a nice compromise.

I do, however, think it's prudent to establish beforehand the point at which this will go into effect so everyone knows.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#197 » by DQuinn1575 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:28 pm

We should make sure what we are agreeing to.

Requiring a majority at each spot means most every spot will have a run-off.

The Duncan/shaq loser may not have a run-off at 6, but lebron/Hakeem/magic/bird means run offs at 7,8,9.
At that point Garnett and Kobe keep it up.
I'll guess 80% runoffs
6 months 1 day and. 1 day
9 months 2 and 1

I'm committed to 100, and will be disappointed if you stop short.

I originally suggested voting 5 at a time as a result.

I suggest starting at spot 11 we pick 5 at a time and allow 4 days- ranked on points 1-5. Repeat 18 times. Rank 1-5 each time. It gives a fair amount of time for discussion, people the ability to take a few days off, and finishes in 2 1/2 months.

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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#198 » by TrueLAfan » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:43 pm

If past projects are any indication, we'll have substantially less posting and voting once we get past about the Top 15-20. One day would reduce that even further.

Personally, I think it would be better to cut the number to 75 or 60 or ... whatever. I think there are some interesting discussions to be had when you get down Bobby Jones territory ... but, again, past projects don't show as much interest. The people that are interested are engaged, but are a much smaller group compared to the number that posted earlier. Just my .02.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#199 » by sp6r=underrated » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:26 am

BTW, I'm enjoying the conversation so far.
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Re: RealGM Top 100 LIST-possible rule change (1 day + 1 day) 

Post#200 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:10 am

-with the majority based model we have, rather than plurality, runoffs will be the rule which means were still going to go 2 days in any thread that's actually in doubt, which is fine as a general rule.

-I like that the current threads go longer though because the conversation is still vibrant, and so I wouldn't change the policy until it starts to drag.


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