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Post#181 » by His Dudeness » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:34 pm

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With the 30th pick in the Realistic Draft, His Dudeness selects Kyrie Irving
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Post#182 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:36 pm

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With the 30th pick in the Realistic Draft, His Dudeness selects Kyrie Irving
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Post#183 » by His Dudeness » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:36 pm

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Post#184 » by Laimbeer » Mon Dec 20, 2021 6:49 pm

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trex_8063 wrote:Some interesting picks here and there.

Biggest steals so far [imho] are Giannis at #4, Butler at #9, arguably AD at #17, and Donovan at #21; and the way the GS defense is humming along, Draymond at #19 is arguably a steal.

I mean, within the context of this project he probably is a steal [even if he's not quite the 19th-best player in the league] because he fits so nicely around other talented players.......and other talented players is exactly what he's guaranteed to get within this project, since we're taking the cumulative talent of a 30-team league and compressing it into 16 constructed teams.

At first I was sort of surprised to see Jarrett Allen go this high, but upon reflection, he is having a fantastic year. Legit pick at this stage.

Khris Middleton isn't really having a good year; sort of surprised he went so high. In light of him already being off the table, there are 1 or 2 players I'm a little surprised haven't been scooped up yet (I didn't name-drop!).

My understanding was that the evaluation wasn't solely based on this year but also what we would realistically expect from them in a playoff setting.


Projecting how they are expected to perform in the 2022 playoffs, I believe. That's why someone like Kyrie is interesting. And AD.
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Post#185 » by Colbinii » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:01 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
trex_8063 wrote:Some interesting picks here and there.

Biggest steals so far [imho] are Giannis at #4, Butler at #9, arguably AD at #17, and Donovan at #21; and the way the GS defense is humming along, Draymond at #19 is arguably a steal.

I mean, within the context of this project he probably is a steal [even if he's not quite the 19th-best player in the league] because he fits so nicely around other talented players.......and other talented players is exactly what he's guaranteed to get within this project, since we're taking the cumulative talent of a 30-team league and compressing it into 16 constructed teams.

At first I was sort of surprised to see Jarrett Allen go this high, but upon reflection, he is having a fantastic year. Legit pick at this stage.

Khris Middleton isn't really having a good year; sort of surprised he went so high. In light of him already being off the table, there are 1 or 2 players I'm a little surprised haven't been scooped up yet (I didn't name-drop!).

My understanding was that the evaluation wasn't solely based on this year but also what we would realistically expect from them in a playoff setting.


Projecting how they are expected to perform in the 2022 playoffs, I believe. That's why someone like Kyrie is interesting. And AD.


If I play against Kyrie in this tournament, I want everyone to know I am playing my home games in Toronto.
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Post#186 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:06 pm

For the draft order on 3rd and 4th round, before we start, we have two options;

AB-BA-BA-AB (that is waht Doc suggested)
or
AB-BA-BA-BA (that is what I have now set)

Not sure why someone mentions ABBB, but I hope the alternatives are clear notwithstanding the notation.

Please commet on you preference and I will confirm the final order.

I think the second helps balance the immence adavntage we have at the top of the draft, but hearing your comments.



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Post#187 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:08 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:For the draft order on 3rd and 4th round, before we start, we have two options;

AB-BA-BA-AB (that is waht Doc suggested)
or
AB-BA-BA-BA (that is what I have now set)

Not sure why someone mentions ABBB, but I hope the alternatives are clear notwithstanding the notation.

Please commet on you preference and I will confirm the final order.

I think the second helps balance the immence adavntage we have at the top of the draft, but hearing your comments.



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So yeah, I vote for what Doc suggested. :lol:

I'd call the 2nd order "ABBB" because that's who's first in each round.
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Post#188 » by Colbinii » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:12 pm

Keep it as is. ABBABABABA
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Post#189 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:14 pm

Colbinii wrote:Keep it as is. ABBABABABA

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Post#190 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:16 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:For the draft order on 3rd and 4th round, before we start, we have two options;

AB-BA-BA-AB (that is waht Doc suggested)
or
AB-BA-BA-BA (that is what I have now set)

Not sure why someone mentions ABBB, but I hope the alternatives are clear notwithstanding the notation.

Please commet on you preference and I will confirm the final order.

I think the second helps balance the immence adavntage we have at the top of the draft, but hearing your comments.



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So yeah, I vote for what Doc suggested.

I'd call the 2nd order "ABBB" because that's who's first in each round.
then what is the standarf snake format for you, ABAB or ABBA?

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Post#191 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:23 pm

Ryoga Hibiki wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
Ryoga Hibiki wrote:For the draft order on 3rd and 4th round, before we start, we have two options;

AB-BA-BA-AB (that is waht Doc suggested)
or
AB-BA-BA-BA (that is what I have now set)

Not sure why someone mentions ABBB, but I hope the alternatives are clear notwithstanding the notation.

Please commet on you preference and I will confirm the final order.

I think the second helps balance the immence adavntage we have at the top of the draft, but hearing your comments.



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So yeah, I vote for what Doc suggested.

I'd call the 2nd order "ABBB" because that's who's first in each round.
then what is the standarf snake format for you, ABAB or ABBA?

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To me "A" means ascending round and "B" means descending round.

So, for an 8 round draft:

AAAAAAAA is Classic Draft (good for pro leagues encouraging parity)
ABABABAB is Snake Draft (perfectly balanced if there's no particular advantage to the Head (1st round))
ABBABABA is one way to do a Tail-biased Snake draft (if 1st round is a major advantage)

ABBB... would be an even more heavily Tail-biased Snake Draft that I've never seen before. We can do it, but we should recognize that it's non-standard.

I was expecting something like the 3rd one (Tail-biased Snake draft).
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Post#192 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 7:25 pm

Colbinii wrote:Keep it as is. ABBABABABA


I think everyone needs to get clear what's being talked about, because based on my experience, an ABBABABABA draft IS what I'm talking about, and it's not what is listed in the 1st post.

Key point here: Does one letter represent one round, or does two? In my experience, it's one, and by this interpretation you and I see things the same, but if it's two, then what you're describing isn't what's on the OP either.
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Post#193 » by Colbinii » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:01 pm

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Colbinii wrote:Keep it as is. ABBABABABA


I think everyone needs to get clear what's being talked about, because based on my experience, an ABBABABABA draft IS what I'm talking about, and it's not what is listed in the 1st post.

Key point here: Does one letter represent one round, or does two? In my experience, it's one, and by this interpretation you and I see things the same, but if it's two, then what you're describing isn't what's on the OP either.


sorry, I had assumed the OP listed 8 rounds [ABBABABA]. I see he has listed 4 rounds and I have never, ever seen that formatting.

OP, please update.

Round 1: A
Round 2: B
Round 3: B
Round 4: A
Round 5: B
Round 6: A
Round 7: B
Round 8: A
Round 9: B
Round 10: A

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A= Starts at Doctor MJ
B= Starts at Laimbeer
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Post#194 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:04 pm

Colbinii wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Keep it as is. ABBABABABA


I think everyone needs to get clear what's being talked about, because based on my experience, an ABBABABABA draft IS what I'm talking about, and it's not what is listed in the 1st post.

Key point here: Does one letter represent one round, or does two? In my experience, it's one, and by this interpretation you and I see things the same, but if it's two, then what you're describing isn't what's on the OP either.


sorry, I had assumed the OP listed 8 rounds [ABBABABA]. I see he has listed 4 rounds and I have never, ever seen that formatting.

OP, please update.

Round 1: A
Round 2: B
Round 3: B
Round 4: A
Round 5: B
Round 6: A
Round 7: B
Round 8: A
Round 9: B
Round 10: A


Yup, that's what I was thinking.

As we're chewing on this, it makes me think we should really use an A (for ascending) & D (for descending) notation to avoid the ambiguity. A/B for more than one notation, A/D doesn't - I don't think at least, lol.
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Post#195 » by Laimbeer » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:07 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Keep it as is. ABBABABABA


I think everyone needs to get clear what's being talked about, because based on my experience, an ABBABABABA draft IS what I'm talking about, and it's not what is listed in the 1st post.

Key point here: Does one letter represent one round, or does two? In my experience, it's one, and by this interpretation you and I see things the same, but if it's two, then what you're describing isn't what's on the OP either.


There's a complete list in the OP. That's pretty straightforward.
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Post#196 » by Colbinii » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:14 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Keep it as is. ABBABABABA


I think everyone needs to get clear what's being talked about, because based on my experience, an ABBABABABA draft IS what I'm talking about, and it's not what is listed in the 1st post.

Key point here: Does one letter represent one round, or does two? In my experience, it's one, and by this interpretation you and I see things the same, but if it's two, then what you're describing isn't what's on the OP either.


There's a complete list in the OP. That's pretty straightforward.


But the complete list is ABBB and not ABBA.
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Post#197 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:16 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
Colbinii wrote:Keep it as is. ABBABABABA


I think everyone needs to get clear what's being talked about, because based on my experience, an ABBABABABA draft IS what I'm talking about, and it's not what is listed in the 1st post.

Key point here: Does one letter represent one round, or does two? In my experience, it's one, and by this interpretation you and I see things the same, but if it's two, then what you're describing isn't what's on the OP either.


There's a complete list in the OP. That's pretty straightforward.


We're having this conversation because the complete list is non-standard, but was referenced as using an ABBA standard. Hence, we need to get clarity on what nomenclature we are using, and whether the intend was to create something new and extreme, or a more typical tail-weighted snake draft.
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Post#198 » by Colbinii » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:19 pm

Just to be clear, the confusion originally stemmed from what was originally agreed upon.

Most people said for an ABBABABA draft (8 rounds) and the OP interpreted it as AB, BA, BA, BA (4 rounds).
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Post#199 » by eminence » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:26 pm

Had a difficult choice on this one, but think I need a 2nd shot-maker and this could be the last chance to get a great one, having an unbelievable season:

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Post#200 » by Ryoga Hibiki » Mon Dec 20, 2021 8:31 pm

Ok, it seems clear that the consensus is different from my understanding.
The third round won't change and I will correct the fourth and later rounds.
Using the new (for me) notation:
ABBABABABABA for 12 rounds.

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