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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1961 » by The High Cyde » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:21 am

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Doctor MJ wrote:I know he's been seen as incompetent a long time, but why specifically do you see him doing a worse job than Vivek? So long as he hasn't fired a coach so he can implement a flag football strategy, the Kings feel hard to top.


It is always a shame to see a franchise drowning due to ownership. Not even management, but ownership.

Welcome back! :D

Dolan is another one, but I think even he's stepped away more than Vivek. Dude suffers from thinking he's the unquestionable brightest person in the room when there are career experts at his table that he can lean on...or just let them do their jobs.
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Post#1962 » by tsherkin » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:29 am

The High Cyde wrote:Welcome back! :D


Thank you :)

Dolan is another one, but I think even he's stepped away more than Vivek. Dude suffers from thinking he's the unquestionable brightest person in the room when there are career experts at his table that he can lean on...or just let them do their jobs.


Dolan hurts me in the meow-meows, man. New York deserves better than that. They have suffered a long time as the butt of a perennial joke, and that's really crappy for a city to endure when they do care so much about the sport.
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Post#1963 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:46 am

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With Wolves new Fo the Kings are now unquestionably the worst run franchise in Nba and arguably in North American sports

I'd say the Commanders are easily a worse-run franchise with Snyder in charge. That's about it, though.


I know he's been seen as incompetent a long time, but why specifically do you see him doing a worse job than Vivek? So long as he hasn't fired a coach so he can implement a flag football strategy, the Kings feel hard to top.

This article is over a decade old, and thus doesn't cover his recent scandals - including recent allegations of cooking the books and withholding ticket revenue payments from the league - but it gives the general gist of how awful Snyder is:

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/221900/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder/

The Spanos family (the Chargers' owners) are also truly awful and dysfunctional. As much of a clown show as the Kings have been under Vivek, at least he didn't move the team to a city that openly did not want them and still manage to lose money in the process despite upgrading in market size and not having to pay for a stadium.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1964 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:49 am

tsherkin wrote:
The High Cyde wrote:Welcome back! :D


Thank you :)

Dolan is another one, but I think even he's stepped away more than Vivek. Dude suffers from thinking he's the unquestionable brightest person in the room when there are career experts at his table that he can lean on...or just let them do their jobs.


Dolan hurts me in the meow-meows, man. New York deserves better than that. They have suffered a long time as the butt of a perennial joke, and that's really crappy for a city to endure when they do care so much about the sport.

It's wild to think about how the Knicks have still won fewer playoff games/series than the Kings in the last 20 years even though the Kings haven't made the playoffs in 16 years.
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Post#1965 » by tsherkin » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:51 am

MartinToVaught wrote:It's wild to think about how the Knicks have still won fewer playoff games/series than the Kings in the last 20 years even though the Kings haven't made the playoffs in 16 years.


I truly and honestly feel for the city of New York in that regard. Like, fans will be fans and everything, but the owner of that time is a disgrace to sports and they really should have been better. They have left the first round twice this century and made the playoffs but 7 times in 22 seasons. It's savage. It makes me even more grateful for the run we've had since 2014.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1966 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:52 am

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MartinToVaught wrote:I'd say the Commanders are easily a worse-run franchise with Snyder in charge. That's about it, though.


I know he's been seen as incompetent a long time, but why specifically do you see him doing a worse job than Vivek? So long as he hasn't fired a coach so he can implement a flag football strategy, the Kings feel hard to top.

This article is over a decade old, and thus doesn't cover his recent scandals - including recent allegations of cooking the books and withholding ticket revenue payments from the league - but it gives the general gist of how awful Snyder is:

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/221900/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder/

The Spanos family (the Chargers' owners) are also truly awful and dysfunctional. As much of a clown show as the Kings have been under Vivek, at least he didn't move the team to a city that openly did not want them and still manage to lose money in the process despite upgrading in market size and not having to pay for a stadium.


Yeah, so I'm all for railing against owners who treat their employees badly, and you can definitely argue that that's the worst possible type of owner, I just don't see any reason to put the Kings as 2nd worst on a multi-sport list that focuses on bad-human stuff so I thought you were just talking about sport-incompetent stuff. Flat out, Vivek makes Dolan look like he understands basketball.

btw, glad you brought up the Spanos family. As someone who grew up with Chargers season tickets in San Diego, there's a lot to dislike about them.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#1967 » by MartinToVaught » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:59 am

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I know he's been seen as incompetent a long time, but why specifically do you see him doing a worse job than Vivek? So long as he hasn't fired a coach so he can implement a flag football strategy, the Kings feel hard to top.

This article is over a decade old, and thus doesn't cover his recent scandals - including recent allegations of cooking the books and withholding ticket revenue payments from the league - but it gives the general gist of how awful Snyder is:

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/221900/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder/

The Spanos family (the Chargers' owners) are also truly awful and dysfunctional. As much of a clown show as the Kings have been under Vivek, at least he didn't move the team to a city that openly did not want them and still manage to lose money in the process despite upgrading in market size and not having to pay for a stadium.


Yeah, so I'm all for railing against owners who treat their employees badly, and you can definitely argue that that's the worst possible type of owner, I just don't see any reason to put the Kings as 2nd worst on a multi-sport list that focuses on bad-human stuff so I thought you were just talking about sport-incompetent stuff. Flat out, Vivek makes Dolan look like he understands basketball.

btw, glad you brought up the Spanos family. As someone who grew up with Chargers season tickets in San Diego, there's a lot to dislike about them.

I was a Chargers fan too until they actually went through with the dumbest relocation in sports history. The way that family and their crony Fabiani treated San Diego, starting with Alex's tonedeaf initial stadium demands in 2000, was a disgrace. And the crazy thing is, everyone besides them could see the failure coming from a mile away. They burned every bridge with a city that had been nothing but loyal to the Chargers and got absolutely no benefits from it. I now enjoy rooting for every team they play to embarrass them. Same outcome every year, but now it's fun instead of depressing. They'll waste Herbert's career just like they wasted Rivers', Humphries' and Fouts' careers.
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Post#1968 » by feyki » Mon Apr 4, 2022 10:34 am

feyki wrote:Ten games to season over prediction:
East;
1- Heat 52W
2- Sixers 52W
3- Bucks 51W
4- Celts 51W
5- Bulls 49W
6- Nets/Raps/Cavs 45W
9- Hawks 42W
10- Cha 40W,

West;
1- Suns 63W
2- Grizz 54W
3- Mavs 52W
4- Jazz 51W
5- GSW 51W
6- DEN 49W
7- MIN 46W
8- Clips 39W
9- NO 35W
10- LA 34W
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3/4 games to over:
East;
1- Heat 53W
2- Sixers 51W
3- Bucks 51W
4- Celt 50W
5- Raps 48W
6- Bulls 46W
7- Nets/Cavs 44W
9- Hawks 43W
10- CHA 42W,
West;
1- Suns 64W
2- Grizz 57W
3- Mavs 52W
4- GSW 51W
5- Jazz/Nuggets 49W
7- Wolves 47W
8- Clips 41W
9- NOP 37W
10- SA/LA 34W
. Over the time, Raptors,Grizzlies and Spurs were above my predictions and Jazz well below it.
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Post#1969 » by RCM88x » Mon Apr 4, 2022 11:25 am

tsherkin wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:It's wild to think about how the Knicks have still won fewer playoff games/series than the Kings in the last 20 years even though the Kings haven't made the playoffs in 16 years.


I truly and honestly feel for the city of New York in that regard. Like, fans will be fans and everything, but the owner of that time is a disgrace to sports and they really should have been better. They have left the first round twice this century and made the playoffs but 7 times in 22 seasons. It's savage. It makes me even more grateful for the run we've had since 2014.


The Knicks make truckloads of money how is it the ownerships fault? They are doing their job by being extremely profitable.

Blame the fans for supporting it.

Kings are a different situation entirely.
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Post#1970 » by tsherkin » Mon Apr 4, 2022 2:44 pm

RCM88x wrote:The Knicks make truckloads of money how is it the ownerships fault? They are doing their job by being extremely profitable.

Blame the fans for supporting it.

Kings are a different situation entirely.


Sure, I dont know enough about Sacramento's situation to compare. I was just voicing sympathy for Knicks fans.
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Post#1971 » by penbeast0 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:21 pm

MartinToVaught wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:I'd say the Commanders are easily a worse-run franchise with Snyder in charge. That's about it, though.


I know he's been seen as incompetent a long time, but why specifically do you see him doing a worse job than Vivek? So long as he hasn't fired a coach so he can implement a flag football strategy, the Kings feel hard to top.

This article is over a decade old, and thus doesn't cover his recent scandals - including recent allegations of cooking the books and withholding ticket revenue payments from the league - but it gives the general gist of how awful Snyder is:

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/221900/the-cranky-redskins-fans-guide-to-dan-snyder/

The Spanos family (the Chargers' owners) are also truly awful and dysfunctional. As much of a clown show as the Kings have been under Vivek, at least he didn't move the team to a city that openly did not want them and still manage to lose money in the process despite upgrading in market size and not having to pay for a stadium.


As a kid who grew up a Redskin fanatic who gave up on NFL football completely after a few years of Dan Snyder, I will say that that cranky fan could have been me except that there were some of those I had no idea about. And this from someone whose stayed loyal to the Bullets/Wizards though 40+ years of complete NBA irrelevance.
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Post#1972 » by Doctor MJ » Mon Apr 4, 2022 7:32 pm

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tsherkin wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:It's wild to think about how the Knicks have still won fewer playoff games/series than the Kings in the last 20 years even though the Kings haven't made the playoffs in 16 years.


I truly and honestly feel for the city of New York in that regard. Like, fans will be fans and everything, but the owner of that time is a disgrace to sports and they really should have been better. They have left the first round twice this century and made the playoffs but 7 times in 22 seasons. It's savage. It makes me even more grateful for the run we've had since 2014.


The Knicks make truckloads of money how is it the ownerships fault? They are doing their job by being extremely profitable.

Blame the fans for supporting it.

Kings are a different situation entirely.


The Knicks situation is ownership's fault because of the way they've chosen their GMs and the way they've interfered with them.

While I understand wanting to judge the owner simply based on the bottom line, the reality is that that's not the entirety of the owner's job.

Also: Let's not pretend that it's hard to make money as a long established franchise in Manhattan or that doing just as well financially in Sacramento is even remotely possible. I'm not a bleeding heart for small markets - I think a reasonable expectation is that you have on-court success in proportion to the size of your market, and that a small market should either be grateful to have a team, or give up - but it's certainly far more difficult to thrive in SAC than it is in NYC.

But as I've said, I still think Vivek is the worst owner in the league, even adjusting for things like degree of difficulty. Vivek's developed a reputation for firing his most successful coaches mid-season for aesthetic reasons, hiring the most incompetent GM of the 21st century, and conveying on no uncertain terms to players that he will eventually use their loyalty against them even when it's not in any way tactically wise.
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Post#1973 » by yoyoboy » Mon Apr 4, 2022 8:46 pm

yoyoboy wrote:Yeah the current product is honestly just really difficult to watch at this point. It's laughable for the NBA to make a huge deal about calling things differently, only to revert back to their old ways a few weeks in. This game against Philly had to be the most frustrating game for me in my history of being an NBA fan. Just nonstop foul hunting by Embiid and Harden as half the calls are a result of them basically committing offensive fouls and then on the other end Embiid gets away with a a crucial foul against Garland on a layup to seal the game. I don't blame the refs. I blame those in charge allowing this.

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Post#1974 » by Peregrine01 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 11:33 pm

yoyoboy wrote:
yoyoboy wrote:Yeah the current product is honestly just really difficult to watch at this point. It's laughable for the NBA to make a huge deal about calling things differently, only to revert back to their old ways a few weeks in. This game against Philly had to be the most frustrating game for me in my history of being an NBA fan. Just nonstop foul hunting by Embiid and Harden as half the calls are a result of them basically committing offensive fouls and then on the other end Embiid gets away with a a crucial foul against Garland on a layup to seal the game. I don't blame the refs. I blame those in charge allowing this.

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Post#1975 » by falcolombardi » Mon Apr 4, 2022 11:50 pm

i think you guys jump to overly cynic conclusions ar times

generally actual cheating/ref interference/ Match fixing ends up being discovered with proof or at least there is heavy hints (like donaghy) of it

refs commitkng egregious mistakes more likely can be attributed to Human biases rather than actual plots to benefit or affect some players

amateur sports or competition of any kind thar requires subjective human judgement are not any better in those regards
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Post#1976 » by HeartBreakKid » Tue Apr 5, 2022 3:33 am

RCM88x wrote:
tsherkin wrote:
MartinToVaught wrote:It's wild to think about how the Knicks have still won fewer playoff games/series than the Kings in the last 20 years even though the Kings haven't made the playoffs in 16 years.


I truly and honestly feel for the city of New York in that regard. Like, fans will be fans and everything, but the owner of that time is a disgrace to sports and they really should have been better. They have left the first round twice this century and made the playoffs but 7 times in 22 seasons. It's savage. It makes me even more grateful for the run we've had since 2014.


The Knicks make truckloads of money how is it the ownerships fault? They are doing their job by being extremely profitable.

Blame the fans for supporting it.

Kings are a different situation entirely.


Opportunity cost. The Knicks would obviously be a much greater brand if they were actually good.


The Knicks are highly profitable because they have the best TV deal which is where the bulk of teams money comes from. They have the best TV deal because...they're in New York. Also MSG is considered parts of the Knicks portfolio for some reason.
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Post#1977 » by LukaTheGOAT » Tue Apr 5, 2022 7:07 am

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Post#1978 » by falcolombardi » Tue Apr 5, 2022 2:07 pm

nets are in the bottom of the play-in right now and womt have ben simmons for the playoffs

i dont see them going in a run of all runs this season, next year may be their best chance left with this core tbh

durant game will age well but i doubt he doesnt start declining in his late 30's
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Post#1979 » by itsxtray » Tue Apr 5, 2022 2:50 pm

falcolombardi wrote:nets are in the bottom of the play-in right now and womt have ben simmons for the playoffs

i dont see them going in a run of all runs this season, next year may be their best chance left with this core tbh

durant game will age well but i doubt he doesnt start declining in his late 30's

Yep, Joe Harris was a hige loss for them as well. Dude shoots a ridiculous 47.5% from 3 and he's big enough to not get abused like seth. Getting him back and moving Seth to the bench should help them a lot.
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Post#1980 » by falcolombardi » Tue Apr 5, 2022 5:02 pm

how Long do we think nets championship window is open? durant game is aging well but he is still 34, is technically possible but hard to imagine him playing st this level at 37 or 38

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