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Re: Retro POY '00-01 (ends Fri evening PST) 

Post#21 » by An Unbiased Fan » Wed May 12, 2010 8:35 pm

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Gongxi wrote:
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Carter- AI had the greatest mano-a-mano duel in NBA history in what I rate as the GOAT series.

I'm not sure how T-Mac had the better post-season, when Carter was putting up 50 whenever we needed a win.


Carter: 27 ppg, 7rpg, 5apg, 52% TS.

McGrady: 34 ppg, 7rpg, 8apg, 48% TS.

Putting up 50 whenever he wanted doesn't really do much for me when, just glancing at the ppg, he apparently didn't want to all that often.


Oh Man, that is so depressing -

Carter played the Knicks in the first round, a historically good defensive team - Mcgrady played the Bucks, one of the worst defensive teams -

He was being defended by Glenn Robinson most of that series - one of the worst defenders ever.

Carter went back to back against two great defensive teams.

Not to mention, you're looking at a 4 game sample versus a 12 game sample -

I agree. People have drastically overrated Tmac in hindsight because of his numbers. He was the perfect example of empty stats. In no way, shape or form was Tmac near Vince in 2001. We are talking about the Vinsanity Peak here.

I seriously wish they had archived the old ESPN board posts from 2000-2005. The opinions I'm seeing in hindsight, are amazingly different from the consensus back then. I love this project and many of the participants, but some of these selections year to year are flatout baffling to anyone who remembers that time.
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Post#22 » by ElGee » Wed May 12, 2010 8:40 pm

Allen Iverson should obviously be No. 1. He won the MVP!
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Post#23 » by semi-sentient » Wed May 12, 2010 8:50 pm

bastillon wrote:Lakers were 11-3 in Kobe's absence (Shaq played). no way I'm putting him anywhere near POY. he's TOP5, not much more than that. they were 5-3 in Shaq's absence (Kobe played).


Looking at their records without each other requires further analysis. Derek Fisher did not play in any of the games that Kobe played in and that Shaq missed, so the Lakers went 5-3 without their 1st and 3rd options. On the flip side, Shaq had Fisher in 10 of his 14 without Kobe. That's kind of a big deal seeing as how the Lakers didn't start rolling until Fisher returned to the lineup.


Also, Kobe was pretty dominant in the WC playoffs, and really, outside of Game 1 in the Finals where he shot poorly he was pretty spectacular. I hope that doesn't get overlooked, although in reality 95% of the voters have already made up their minds, so this is more for supporting my rankings.

First Round (Blazers):

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Kobe: 25.0 PTS (.565 TS%),  4.3 REB, 7.7 AST, 2.3 STL, 0.0 BLK, 2.0 TOV
Shaq: 27.0 PTS (.526 TS%), 15.7 REB, 2.7 AST, 0.0 STL, 1.0 BLK, 2.7 TOV


Semifinals (Kings):

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Kobe: 35.0 PTS (.588 TS%),  9.0 REB, 4.3 AST, 1.3 STL, 0.5 BLK, 4.0 TOV
Shaq: 33.3 PTS (.589 TS%), 17.3 REB, 2.3 AST, 0.5 STL, 3.3 BLK, 3.8 TOV


Conference Finals (Spurs):

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Kobe: 33.3 PTS (.571 TS%),  7.0 REB, 7.0 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.8 BLK, 2.3 TOV
Shaq: 27.0 PTS (.547 TS%), 13.0 REB, 2.5 AST, 0.8 STL, 1.3 BLK, 3.5 TOV


NBA Finals (Sixers):

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Kobe: 24.6 PTS (.501 TS%),  7.8 REB, 5.8 AST, 1.4 STL, 1.4 BLK, 3.6 TOV
Shaq: 33.0 PTS (.575 TS%), 15.8 REB, 4.8 AST, 0.4 STL, 3.4 BLK, 4.0 TOV



The knock on Kobe for this season should be the amount of games he missed in the RS, not his performance. Other than that, no one performed better than Shaq and Kobe in the RS/PS. Both were about as dominant as you can be, and the result was the most dominant post-season run in history.

Edit: Moved KG up a little on account of playing great defense. VC drops to #5. Not sure if I like him in the top 5. Considering Webber, but he also had an awful post-season. Switched Kobe and Duncan.

Edit: Sigh. I'm having a lot of trouble putting Duncan or Kobe ahead of each other. Good arguments have been presented both ways. For now, going to put them tied at #2 in alphabetical order until I can make a solid decision that I feel comfortable with.

Edit: Decided to give Allen Iverson some love and replace VC with him. The arguments are convincing enough, and thinking back, AI was very much feared because of his ability to wreak havoc on offense at times. Very inconsistent, and don't particularly like his efficiency, but he did a lot this year.

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1) Shaquille O'Neal
2) Tim Duncan
3) Kobe Bryant
4) Kevin Garnett
5) Allen Iverson
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Post#24 » by mysticbb » Wed May 12, 2010 9:04 pm

Vote:

1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Tim Duncan
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Vince Carter
5. Ray Allen

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Post#25 » by Gongxi » Wed May 12, 2010 9:08 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:Oh Man, that is so depressing -

Carter played the Knicks in the first round, a historically good defensive team - Mcgrady played the Bucks, one of the worst defensive teams -

He was being defended by Glenn Robinson most of that series - one of the worst defenders ever. [

Carter went back to back against two great defensive teams.

Not to mention, you're looking at a 4 game sample versus a 12 game sample -


The impact in the end isn't much different. From either of them. McGrady has a lower sample size, yes. We could just look at their entire season. They played amazingly similarly that year.

I will say, though, that UBF coming to your defense makes me more confident in placing McGrady above Carter, though.
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Post#26 » by semi-sentient » Wed May 12, 2010 9:16 pm

Gongxi wrote:Yeah, I think that's exactly what Doc has been pretty fervent about people not doing.


That was a joke, much like AI being ranked over Kobe.

Edit: And now Malone. :nonono:
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Post#27 » by bastillon » Wed May 12, 2010 9:25 pm

mysticbb wrote:Vote:

1. Shaquille O'Neal
2. Tim Duncan
3. Karl Malone
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Vince Carter

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Post#28 » by semi-sentient » Wed May 12, 2010 9:37 pm

mysticbb wrote:3. Karl Malone
4. Kobe Bryant


Please explain this vote. There is absolutely nothing that supports Malone over Kobe, outside of him playing 13 more games (yet only 100 additional minutes). That is easily made up by Kobe's great post-season and Malone's drop off -- which is substantial in both cases.


Regular Season:

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Bryant: 28.5 PTS (.552 TS%), 5.9 RB, 5.0 AS, 1.7 ST, 0.6 BK, 3.2 TV, 24.5 PER
Malone: 23.2 PTS (.572 TS%), 8.3 RB, 4.5 AS, 1.1 ST, 0.8 BK, 3.0 TV, 24.7 PER


Playoffs:

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Bryant: 29.4 PTS (.555 TS%), 7.3 RB, 6.1 AS, 1.6 SL, 0.8 BK, 3.2 TV, 25.0 PER
Malone: 27.6 PTS (.484 TS%), 8.8 RB, 3.4 AS, 1.0 ST, 0.8 BK, 3.8 TV, 19.7 PER
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Post#29 » by Silver Bullet » Wed May 12, 2010 10:20 pm

Gongxi wrote:
Silver Bullet wrote:Oh Man, that is so depressing -

Carter played the Knicks in the first round, a historically good defensive team - Mcgrady played the Bucks, one of the worst defensive teams -

He was being defended by Glenn Robinson most of that series - one of the worst defenders ever. [

Carter went back to back against two great defensive teams.

Not to mention, you're looking at a 4 game sample versus a 12 game sample -


The impact in the end isn't much different. From either of them. McGrady has a lower sample size, yes. We could just look at their entire season. They played amazingly similarly that year.

I will say, though, that UBF coming to your defense makes me more confident in placing McGrady above Carter, though.


that is a crazy reason to put T-Mac over Carter -

1. Look at the Raptors roster, they weren't much better than the Magic
2. They went to the 2nd round - and it had nothing to do with supporting cast, it was all Vince.
3. They were like half an inch away from being in the conference finals
4. Carter has superior stats
5. The games, they won, they won because of Carter - If one guy puts up 14 pts in game 1 and they lose and need a win, and the guy comes out and puts up 50 pts - vs another guy comes in and puts up 32 pts in game 1 and they lose and face a must win situation and the guy again puts up 32 pts - wouldn't you value the first guys points more -
6. I haven't looked at the stats - but I'd bet the Tor-NY and Tor-Phi series featured lower scoring games than the Bucks-Magic series.

I don't understand how you can say the impact isn't much different - Carter was putting up his stats against Eric Snow and Aaron Mckie (featuring in a Larry Brown defensive system backed up by Tyrone Hill and Dikembe Mutombo) - T-Mac was putting up his stats on Glenn Robinson and Tim Thomas backed up by Ervin Johnson and Dan Gadzuric.
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Post#30 » by semi-sentient » Wed May 12, 2010 10:26 pm

^^^ Good points. I updated my list and swapped out VC for T-Mac. At first glance it looked like T-Mac was better overall, but giving it a closer look I like what VC did.
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Post#31 » by ItsMillerTime » Wed May 12, 2010 10:27 pm

Alright, heres my voted. Going into this I was going to have AI at number 2, but after looking over the stats again, AI was a lot less efficent in the playoffs than I remembered. Still think he should be in the top 5, but I can' justify having him over Kobe

1. Shaq- No explanation needed
2. Duncan - Defensive powerhouse who had a slightly off year offensively, but still led the Spurs to the best regular season record. Good playoffs to boot
3. Kobe Bryant- One of Kobe's best seasons. Played elite D, shot the ball well, and picked it up for the playoffs
4. AI- Remarkable what he did for those Sixers. 2 50 point games in a series, 46 points in the ECF game 6 (26 in the 4th quarter) 44 in ECF game 7, 48 in the Finals. Led the league in scoring and steals per game.
5. Vince Carter - Best season of Vinsannity's career. Led a very poor supporting cast to a fine season

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Post#32 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed May 12, 2010 10:37 pm

I'm going to repost something I said in the 02 thread

On an individual level I think we are entering a very important period for the NBA. 01 and 02 are the seasons when the Dirk, KG, TD, Kobe, T-MAC, Nash, etc., really started breaking out and would carry the NBA until 08 in my mind when Lebron, Wade, Paul, etc. really began to exert their influence.

98-01 was sort of a weak period for individual campaigns.

Shaq didn't take over in 98 or 99 the way we expected him. It allowed a past prime MJ and Malone to still be considered the best players in the NBA. It wasn't until 2000 that he really used all of his potential. The draft classes from Shaq's era were generally disappointments. Some due to injury (Hill, Penny, Mourning (After 01), etc.) other because they never fully figured out how to use their ability, think Webber.

The players who dominated the middle part of this decade were still coming into their own. So, it was a strange time period that were entering.

I have Shaq number 1 and I hope he is unanimous. I'm leaning towards Kobe at number 2. 3-8 is a ****.
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Post#33 » by Tesla » Wed May 12, 2010 10:39 pm

1. Shaq
2. TD
3. Kobe
4. AI
5. VC

I could see AI and Kobe switched just because AI was the man on his team and did well carrying them despite peoples revisionist histories of making AI look like he was like some scrub his whole career, he was most def regarded as a TOP player in the league, and Top 3 probably at the time... however, Kobe's post-season was too brilliant to go along with the Lakers historical playoff run, so ill give him the slight edge.
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Post#34 » by bastillon » Wed May 12, 2010 10:42 pm

both Duncan and KG outplayed Kobe in the RS and then they were very good in the playoffs. I don't see how Kobe is over either.
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Post#35 » by Gongxi » Wed May 12, 2010 11:02 pm

Silver Bullet wrote:
Gongxi wrote:
Silver Bullet wrote:Oh Man, that is so depressing -

Carter played the Knicks in the first round, a historically good defensive team - Mcgrady played the Bucks, one of the worst defensive teams -

He was being defended by Glenn Robinson most of that series - one of the worst defenders ever. [

Carter went back to back against two great defensive teams.

Not to mention, you're looking at a 4 game sample versus a 12 game sample -


The impact in the end isn't much different. From either of them. McGrady has a lower sample size, yes. We could just look at their entire season. They played amazingly similarly that year.

I will say, though, that UBF coming to your defense makes me more confident in placing McGrady above Carter, though.


that is a crazy reason to put T-Mac over Carter -

1. Look at the Raptors roster, they weren't much better than the Magic


Don't care.

2. They went to the 2nd round - and it had nothing to do with supporting cast, it was all Vince.


Not accurate/don't care.

3. They were like half an inch away from being in the conference finals


Don't care if they made it or didn't.

4. Carter has superior stats


Not true.

5. The games, they won, they won because of Carter - If one guy puts up 14 pts in game 1 and they lose and need a win, and the guy comes out and puts up 50 pts - vs another guy comes in and puts up 32 pts in game 1 and they lose and face a must win situation and the guy again puts up 32 pts - wouldn't you value the first guys points more -


lolwut

6. I haven't looked at the stats - but I'd bet the Tor-NY and Tor-Phi series featured lower scoring games than the Bucks-Magic series.


Me neither. It's still only a small fraction of their entire seasons.

I don't understand how you can say the impact isn't much different - Carter was putting up his stats against Eric Snow and Aaron Mckie (featuring in a Larry Brown defensive system backed up by Tyrone Hill and Dikembe Mutombo) - T-Mac was putting up his stats on Glenn Robinson and Tim Thomas backed up by Ervin Johnson and Dan Gadzuric.


It's a small fraction of their entire seasons.

I'm totally open to putting Carter in there, but your "arguments" (if you wanna call it that) are not very persuasive at all.
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Post#36 » by sp6r=underrated » Wed May 12, 2010 11:05 pm

Some flash back previews and stories going into the 00-01 season

NY Times Alonzo Mourning

The day felt strangely empty to the Miami Heat players, the game, in the end, a little more meaningless than a typical preseason game.

When the Heat went to work against the Nets tonight in Continental Arena, it was without their All-Star center, Alonzo Mourning.

He was back in Miami seeing doctors about his kidney ailment, which was discovered during a team physical a week ago, trying to determine whether he would need a kidney transplant, dialysis or other treatment. The Heat has released little information about his condition.

Mourning's absence tonight was a sobering reminder of vulnerability, even as the Nets celebrated their first preseason victory, 88-82. It came in the coaching debut of Byron Scott, a former Lakers player, who beat his onetime coach, Pat Riley, now coach of the Heat.

Both teams were missing marquee players -- the Nets were without forward Keith Van Horn (strained left knee) -- and players wearing new uniforms excelled instead.

Miami forward Brian Grant, a free-agent acquisition, had 29 points and 11 rebounds in 36 minutes.
The top overall draft pick, Kenyon Martin of the Nets, started at power forward, and after Grant blocked his first shot, he struggled early with three first-half fouls. But Martin surged in the end, getting all of his 11 points and his three rebounds in the second half, playing 24 minutes. Point guard Stephon Marbury led the Nets in scoring with 18 points, and Kendall Gill shot 7 of 10 for 14 points.
The training-camp hopeful Stephen Jackson made a strong bid to earn one of two available roster spots. Jackson, 22, who did not attend college but played in the Continental Basketball Association and Venezuela before joining the Nets, scored 12 first-half points and finished with 14. Miami center Todd Fuller, backing up Duane Causwell, who started for Mourning, had 12 points, 7 rebounds and 3 blocks.

Without Mourning, it seemed as if the gaping hole in the middle of the paint extended to the hearts of the Heat coaches and players, who spoke before the game about being burdened by the uncertainty of Mourning's condition.

"That's the hard thing," the 7-foot Causwell said. "We don't know what we're getting ready for; we're getting ready for a whole year without Alonzo, or a whole preseason, or just a few games. It makes you reflect. There's more to this game. Hopefully, it's not serious."

Point guard Tim Hardaway said he would miss Mourning's on-court chatter for as long as he was out. But tonight he and his teammates were missing something more intangible than Mourning's points and blocks. "His being," Hardaway said softly.

On Tuesday, Mourning made a surprise visit to the Heat practice in Miami and infused the team with his signature cheeriness, refusing to take sympathy, instead riding an exercise bike, breaking a sweat as he did only 10 days ago with the United States Olympic team.

"Alonzo is the type of guy who does not try to show his weakness," Causwell said. "He was upbeat, but at the same time, you could tell it was really bothering him."

Riley did not want to elaborate on his ailing center, disturbed about the different reports speculating on his condition. "He wants to make a statement himself, and when he looks at the camera, that's when he will be sure," Riley said.

As for the impact of his absence, Riley was also guarded. "I'm not thinking about that," he said. "I'm trying to be optimistic just like Alonzo is. But he's more optimistic than all of us."

Miami's players were shocked by the suddenness of the news. "I was with him the whole Olympics, and I didn't even dream of this happening," Hardaway said.

The United States Olympic Committee conducts physicals for its athletes, but does not take blood tests. Mourning's blood was tested as part of the Heat's physical.

"I haven't thought about anything basketball wise," forward Dan Majerle said. "We're just more worried about Zo getting healthy. We don't know a lot about it. Once we get that settled and find out exactly what's going on, then we'll start thinking about the team."


USA TODAY LAKERS

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Shaquille O'Neal's generosity is becoming as legendary as his dominance on the basketball floor. He gave the city of Los Angeles more than $ 43,000 to replace a police cruiser that was destroyed during the victory celebration after June's NBA championship win.

Then, last month, after signing a three-year, $ 88.4 million contract extension, O'Neal bought 22 Rolex watches, at a cost of $ 150,000, and gave them to his teammates and staff members. That's one side of O'Neal. The other side is the one opponents see night after night -- that mammoth, unstoppable force who drives the Los Angeles Lakers.

Generosity isn't what's on O'Neal's mind right now. He wants another title. "Winning championship trophies is like having one car," he says. "It's not enough for me." The quest starts tonight against the team that has become the Lakers' new archrival -- the Portland Trail Blazers, who, at least
on paper, are given the best chance to halt the Lakers' title run at one. Portland added imposing inside players Shawn Kemp and Dale Davis to an already potent team that pushed the Lakers
to seven games and a 15-point fourth-quarter deficit in Game 7 of last season's Western Conference final.

"All teams are looking to get as big as they can," Portland coach Mike Dunleavy says. "The Lakers are the champions, so you target your needs for them."

The Lakers didn't remain idle, though. They have two new starting forwards and improved depth. At small forward, Rick Fox has moved from the bench to replace Glen Rice, who was traded. At power
forward, Horace Grant was acquired in a trade to replace A.C. Green, who was waived. In addition, the Lakers signed sharpshooter Isaiah "J.R." Rider as a free agent and acquired backup center
Greg Foster in the same deal that brought them Grant.

"Portland gave us some trouble at power forward and shooting guard last year," O'Neal says. "Now we're covered. I like the team we have here. We have a pretty good team. A team with two
dominant superstars really doesn't need any more superstars. We just need a lot of great role players, and we have that now. We have the best team on paper."

That "on paper" thing often can be a bugaboo. "It's nice to sit here and look on paper and see we got a power forward and a nice backup center, but this team has always been evaluated in June, and that's the way it's going to be this year, too," says Mitch Kupchak, who replaced Jerry West this summer as the man calling the shots in the Lakers' front office. "We're the reigning champs and the question is, are the Lakers going to repeat or not?"

The big triumvirate Regardless of Kupchak's offseason moves, the Lakers remain driven by three forces -- Jackson, O'Neal and all-around star Kobe Bryant. Everyone else has a specific role that greases the wheels of the Jax, Shaq & Kobe train. "We have the Big 2 in Kobe and Shaq, but everybody else has to do their part," Foster says. "Everybody is going to be headhunting for us."

O'Neal is coming off his best season. He was the regular-season and NBA Finals MVP, led the league in scoring and was first in field goal percentage, second in rebounding and third in blocked shots. "Everything fell into place last year," O'Neal says. "I think it was meant to be for me, because I failed so many times at it. It was just my time."

It's still his time, Miami Heat coach Pat Riley says. "At one time there were 10 great centers in the league 7 feet or better," Riley says. "But right now, Shaq is the only guy who is absolutely dominant, based on sheer force and talent." O'Neal's free-throw shooting still is a problem, however. He shot
52.4% during the 1999-2000 regular season and 45.6% during the playoffs. This preseason, he shot 30.4% (17 of 56). "Everyone has a weakness in his game," O'Neal says. "My life isn't based on percentages. When I concentrate, I hit them. I'm never going to shoot 80%, but when I need to hit them, I'll hit them. Nobody's perfect. I don't want to be the best player in the league, I just want to be the most dominant."

Bryant has become the perfect complement to O'Neal with his ballhandling, shooting, defense and marvelous ability to get his own shot against any opponent. He's the high-wire act and O'Neal the safety net in the Lakers' show.

Bryant spent much of the offseason working on his jump shot. It wasn't bad last season but not good enough for Bryant's standards. He shot 46.8% from the field, his career best, but only 31.9%
(46 of 144), from three-point range. Bryant says he made 2,000 jump shots a day during the offseason,
a feat many of his peers find hard to believe. "I worked extremely hard this summer," he says. "It seems now like I can get my shot any time."

Jackson, however, is a bit concerned Bryant could take too much upon himself and disrupt the offense's flow. "He feels that he might have to take up the slack that Glen left as a three-point shooter, so he really worked on his outside shot," Jackson says. "But that's his impetuousness."

A more versatile team The Lakers have much more versatility than they did last season. Grant also can play center, Rider could be the most explosive scorer the Lakers have had as a reserve in years, and Foster is more than just an adequate backup.

"We can play J.R. (Rider) at the guard and move Kobe to a small forward position, where he probably wants to play anyway," Kupchak says. "That's the back side of the triangle, where you end up
looking at the basket." Grant played for Jackson in Chicago for five seasons, including 1991, '92 and '93, when the Bulls won their first three NBA titles. So he knows the triangle offense, he knows the intricacies of Jackson's defense and he's used to playing on a team with two superstars.

"He knows Phil, and Phil knows him," Kupchak says. "He'll get 8, 10 points and hopefully eight or nine rebounds, and he can defend against the guys we need help against."

The Lakers were victimized in last season's playoffs by the Sacramento Kings' Chris Webber and Portland's Rasheed Wallace. The San Antonio Spurs' Tim Duncan and the Utah Jazz's Karl Malone also have caused considerable trouble. Grant eases many of those concerns. Foster could be a key acquisition, too. John Salley was O'Neal's backup last season, but his value was more in the locker room than on the floor.

"All we need from Greg is about 10 minutes a game," Kupchak says. "He'll make an open shot, grab a couple of rebounds and block a shot. He's not afraid to bang. You have to guard him. He'll help us."

Foster, an 11-year veteran playing for his eighth NBA team, says he already feels more comfortable than he has in a long time. "This is the only time in my career where I really knew my role," he says. "I don't have to worry about competing for the starting job. I just have to come in and spell the big fella."

Fox has been a starter, both with the Boston Celtics and with the Lakers. "I haven't started on a championship team, though," he says. "I'd like to step up and be a bigger factor." His shooting ability is not comparable to Rice's, but he is a better defender and more of a physical, get-his-hands-dirty type. "I've never been a superstar at one skill, but I've always been good at a variety of things," Fox says.

Subtle motivation

Jackson, who likes to drop little hints for certain players to ponder, has said he hasn't been totally pleased with the leadership Bryant and O'Neal have shown so far. Each is so dominant that
they often go their own ways on offense. Jackson says he has been trying to give them "gentle nudges" toward being more inclusive. "The season is like a campaign," he says. "You have to gear
up for a long grind, and that's what you do. You try to physically and mentally get prepared for a 250-day season, hopefully."


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KG and Darius Miles on the cover looking very young.

Trail Blazers (NBA Champions)

Shawn Kemp reads a scale differently from most people. He stepped on one recently and insists that the machine revealed not a number but a prediction. "It said I was going to have a great season and that we were going to go out and kick a lot of butt," he says. Over the past two years Kemp has steadfastly maintained that he had not gained an appreciable amount of weight despite ample evidence to the contrary, so it can be argued that he's not exactly adept at interpreting a scale. But the latter part of his message is on target—the Trail Blazers should be the biggest butt-kickers in the league this year.

The Blazers are so talented and so deep they could win the championship even if Kemp, the six-time All-Star power forward acquired from Cleveland in a three-way deal in August, doesn't have a big season. But if he sheds enough excess pounds to remind people of the explosive, lane-filling, power-dunking form he showed for eight years in Seattle, Portland will be absolutely frightening.

More to the point, the Blazers will be uniquely qualified to create problems for the Lakers. Until its late collapse in Game 7 of last year's conference finals, Portland guarded Shaquille O'Neal more successfully than any pro team ever has. If Shaq thought Portland was sending wave after wave of long-armed harassers at him in that game, he won't believe the number of big Blazers coming his way this year, now that the 6'10" Kemp and 6'11" Dale Davis, acquired in a trade with Indiana, have joined 7'3" Arvydas Sabonis and 6'11" Rasheed Wallace. Portland coach Mike Dunleavy can comfortably put any three of those quality big men on the floor at the same time.

Portland is just as well-stocked elsewhere, with Scottie Pippen at small forward; Steve Smith and Bonzi Wells, a playoff revelation last year, at shooting guard; and Damon Stoudamire and Greg Anthony at the point. With five players who have been All-Stars ( Davis, Kemp, Pippen, Smith and Wallace) and a sixth (Stoudamire) who has led his team in scoring, the battle for playing time will be even more intense than it was last year. "It's not going to be unusual, somewhere along the line, for everybody to be bemoaning their situation a little bit," Dunleavy says. "The good news is that those types of situations didn't last very long for us last season."

Still, the Blazers might find that there's such a thing as being too deep. Stoudamire, for instance, has declared his willingness to continue dialing his game back for the good of the team but admits to feeling unfulfilled. "I would like to be on the court more," he says. "I understand that our team is loaded with talent. But it's frustrating going home at night knowing you can do more."

Should Portland hit a rough patch, Stoudamire won't be the only one voicing his frustrations. Kemp, though, has promised to be a good soldier. "I'm 30 years old, so I can take fewer minutes a game," he says. "Every guy on this team knows what I can do, so I don't feel like I have to prove anything." It would be more encouraging for the Blazers if Kemp sounded a little hungrier—figuratively speaking of course. He is listed at 280 pounds in Portland's media guide, less than the 300-plus pounds he reportedly weighed at the start of training camp with Cleveland last season, but significantly more than the 256 he was listed at during his Seattle days.

With the inspiration of having his best shot at a title since he went to the Finals with Seattle in 1996, Kemp could well be a more svelte, effective player by playoff time. If so, he and the Blazers won't be worrying about the fit of his uniform but about the fit of their championship rings.


76ers

After completing a preseason conditioning session in State College, Pa., forward Toni Kukoc crumpled into a plastic chair and swung his size-16 feet onto a folding table, the better to rest his aching knees. As he talked about the upcoming season, his first full one in Philadelphia after 6� years and three titles with the Bulls, it was impossible not to notice the pedigree stamped on his formidable dogs.

"Yes, they're Mike's," he said, nodding toward his black Air Jordans. "I like them because they're softer." Would Jordan be proud if he knew Kukoc was wearing his shoes? "Oh, I think he does know, I think he does," Kukoc answered with a little smile. "And"—he paused—"I hope he would be proud."

Hope is also what the 76ers hold on to when it comes to Kukoc, because they know he's the key to their success. If Kukoc plays like the ring-winning Toni of old—as opposed to the 38.7% shooter he was in last year's playoffs—prospects are greatly enhanced for a Finals appearance for this veteran squad that took the Pacers to six games in the 1999-2000 conference semis.

Not that general manager Billy King didn't try to tinker in the off-season. By invoking a clause in his contract, center Matt Geiger thwarted a trade to the Pistons, and shooting guard Allen Iverson was nearly shipped to Detroit as well. In the end, King's only major move was re-signing Kukoc to a four-year, $29 million contract. Now all coach Larry Brown has to do is get the guy in the Jordans to complement the guy in the eponymous Iversons. He's confident he can. "Toni has to be a big contributor and take pressure off Allen," says Brown, who admits that the chemistry between Kukoc and the Sixers' All-Star guard was nonexistent last season. "Remember, Toni only got here at the trading deadline, and that's not enough time to fit in. The more he's with us, the better he'll be."

King had also hoped to change the team's look by using the 20th pick in the June draft on 5'11" Craig (Speedy) Claxton out of Hofstra. Claxton quickly made friends and influenced people in training camp—"I don't think I've seen a faster guy," Kukoc says—and Brown planned to pair him with the 6-foot Iverson in an all-blur backcourt. But Claxton tore his left ACL in a preseason game on Sunday, and he'll miss the season.

The injury leaves the Sixers with but one blink-and-you'll-miss-him guard. Renowned for being fashionably late to practice (more than 50 times last season), Iverson kept a low profile most of the summer. When he did emerge, he declared he wanted to be team captain, a title Brown awarded him. A week later Iverson released his first rap single, a gay-bashing, misogynistic piece of bombast recorded under the nom de fume of Jewelz. 40 Bars may have earned him street cred, but it did little to prove he is serious about becoming a team leader.

Another often-beleaguered Sixer—Geiger—showed up at camp in excellent shape after spending the summer in Florida working with Ivan Lendl's trainer. Unfortunately, the 7'1" Geiger, who missed the first 17 games last year with a left-knee injury, reinjured the knee 30 minutes into the first practice and will be out until December. In his stead will be a trio of T's: Tyrone Hill, Theo Ratliff and Todd MacCulloch, the lanky 7-footer who impressed Brown by averaging 13.0 points and 5.1 rebounds for Team Canada at the Sydney Games.

If the Sixers are to achieve King's stated goal of a title, Brown must provide help for Iverson, who last year hoisted 25.6% of the team's shots, a league high. To fill that hole, Brown doesn't need another Jordan, but he does need an inspired performance from the guy wearing his shoes.
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Post#37 » by shawngoat23 » Wed May 12, 2010 11:07 pm

1. Shaq
2. Duncan
3. Garnett
4. Iverson
5. Kobe

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Post#38 » by Dr Positivity » Wed May 12, 2010 11:21 pm

Gongxi, I'd like to hear a little more elaboration on your Tmac over Iverson choice. The one knock on Iverson seems to be efficiency, but his TS% was actually nearly identical to Tmac's that year, and he did it scoring 31ppg instead of 26. Furthermore Orlando had FAR more spacing, they were 6th in the league in 3PM that year and the Sixers were 28th and this was with Iverson averaging 1.4 a game to Tmac's 0.8, making the gap in 3pt shooting coming from their teammates even bigger. TS% is fairly often related to spacing in an offense. When the floor is clogged up it's harder to finish at the rim, you face way more doubles and triples, etc. You can see how guys like Derrick Rose and Al Jefferson have mediocore .52 TS% because of the lack of spacing whereas a PG like Jarrett Jack is .61 TS%+ because the paint is always wide open playing with Bosh/Bargnani

Despite the humongous gap in spacing and 3pt shooting between the Sixers and Magic, the Sixers were actually the better offensive team that year, which is pretty damn impressive from my view considering how much IMO spacing and 3pt shooting is correlated to a good offense, especially one centered around a dominant perimeter player. And then there's Iverson's mega playoff run...
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Post#39 » by An Unbiased Fan » Wed May 12, 2010 11:48 pm

bastillon wrote:both Duncan and KG outplayed Kobe in the RS and then they were very good in the playoffs. I don't see how Kobe is over either.

How did KG outplay Kobe in the RS? :-?

I give Kobe the edge over Duncan because both had a great RS, but Kobe had the suprior PS, and personally destroyed the Spurs in the WCF.
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Post#40 » by Tim_Hardawayy » Thu May 13, 2010 12:07 am

That article on Zo really hurts, I was devastated that season. There is no doubt in my mind that if healthy, he makes the top 5 this year, and possibly next season as well. His offensive game was really coming together in terms of efficiency, post moves and cutting down on turnovers, and he was the best defender and shot blocker in the NBA.

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