john wall vs derrick rose

[Zeitgeister]

His jump-shot is still further along as a freshmen then Roses was. And anyone who thinks he's going to be "easy" to defend is delusional.

He also had alot more talent than Rose had and he still could not lead his team to the final four .

Before Rose even logged a minute on that Memphis team, they had made the elite eight in the previous two years. They were very talented and experienced. John Wall's team had a lot of talent as well but not near the experience. Rose was dominant in March Madness though.

[J08]

watching him in the summer league, kid looks raw as hell. if people are expecting anything big from wall, they will be disappointed.

[GhostsOfGil]

watching him in the summer league, kid looks raw as hell. if people are expecting anything big from wall, they will be disappointed.

ok heres wat wall does well

draws contact well due to extremely fast change of direction speed ala dwade
runs the floor well on the break
is able to make quick and accurate passes
seems to find the open man in half court sets and on the break
makes his team mates better

heres wat wall struggles with

jump shot off the pick and roll seems inconsistent
seemed to make some boneheaded turnovers like backcourt violations or loosing control of the ball in half court sets
sometimes forces passes in traffic causing turnovers
outside shot needs ALOT of improvement
ball handling skills need to be tightened up

calling him raw is arguable yet understandable. imo he looked very impressive. he was hands down the best player in the summer league and the things he struggled with, are things that will improve very quickly.

and to the op, u should have definitely waited to make this thread. this is one for the ages that will go back and fourth for years. bump this when wall plays in the nba

[Wade2k6]

He also had alot more talent than Rose had and he still could not lead his team to the final four .

Yeah, if you ignore the fact that Kentucky missed the tournament the year before Wall came and Rose was the final piece of an already veteran Memphis team that made the elite 8 the previous year.

[J08]

watching him in the summer league, kid looks raw as hell. if people are expecting anything big from wall, they will be disappointed.

ok heres wat wall does well

draws contact well due to extremely fast change of direction speed ala dwade
runs the floor well on the break
is able to make quick and accurate passes
seems to find the open man in half court sets and on the break
makes his team mates better

heres wat wall struggles with

jump shot off the pick and roll seems inconsistent
seemed to make some boneheaded turnovers like backcourt violations or loosing control of the ball in half court sets
sometimes forces passes in traffic causing turnovers
outside shot needs ALOT of improvement
ball handling skills need to be tightened up

calling him raw is arguable yet understandable. imo he looked very impressive. he was hands down the best player in the summer league and the things he struggled with, are things that will improve very quickly.

and to the op, u should have definitely waited to make this thread. this is one for the ages that will go back and fourth for years. bump this when wall plays in the nba

i agree with you about everything you said. besides passing everything he does well is because of superior athletic ability and everything he struggles are skills which makes him raw.

i wasn't too impressed with his handles, it might be that he was nervous or he was going to fast or whatever.

right now rose is probably better then him at him at everything.

[CB4MiamiHeat]

even tho he hasnt played a game yet, I like John Wall more ..

The kid is gonna get to the line a lot in the NBA , and hes a better passer and defender as well .. well see.

[Zeitgeister]

watching him in the summer league, kid looks raw as hell. if people are expecting anything big from wall, they will be disappointed.

ok heres wat wall does well

draws contact well due to extremely fast change of direction speed ala dwade
runs the floor well on the break
is able to make quick and accurate passes
seems to find the open man in half court sets and on the break
makes his team mates better

heres wat wall struggles with

jump shot off the pick and roll seems inconsistent
seemed to make some boneheaded turnovers like backcourt violations or loosing control of the ball in half court sets
sometimes forces passes in traffic causing turnovers
outside shot needs ALOT of improvement
ball handling skills need to be tightened up

calling him raw is arguable yet understandable. imo he looked very impressive. he was hands down the best player in the summer league and the things he struggled with, are things that will improve very quickly.

and to the op, u should have definitely waited to make this thread. this is one for the ages that will go back and fourth for years. bump this when wall plays in the nba

i agree with you about everything you said. besides passing everything he does well is because of superior athletic ability and everything he struggles are skills which makes him raw.

i wasn't too impressed with his handles, it might be that he was nervous or he was going to fast or whatever.

right now rose is probably better then him at him at everything.

I would hope so, Rose has two years of NBA experience, Wall has zero. If you are comparing the two before they entered the NBA, I would have Wall ahead of Rose in almost every area. Rose has a strength advantage, but I think Wall is the better creater. I also think he's a little more explosive if that's possible, and he is taller with a longer reach. I also think Wall is a better shooter than Rose was coming into the league.

[mr.ankle]

even tho he hasnt played a game yet, I like John Wall more ..

The kid is gonna get to the line a lot in the NBA , and hes a better passer and defender as well .. well see.

How can you say that he is a better passer and defender when he has not played a game in the nba yet . Rose was a pretty good defender a Memphis .

[CB4MiamiHeat]

even tho he hasnt played a game yet, I like John Wall more ..

The kid is gonna get to the line a lot in the NBA , and hes a better passer and defender as well .. well see.

How can you say that he is a better passer and defender when he has not played a game in the nba yet . Rose was a pretty good defender a Memphis .

Rose wasnt a good defender at all .. and he wasnt the PG that Wall was for his team , they played a different offense , but still .. Wall just looks like a way better playmaker

[bullsnewdynasty]

even tho he hasnt played a game yet, I like John Wall more ..

The kid is gonna get to the line a lot in the NBA , and hes a better passer and defender as well .. well see.

How can you say that he is a better passer and defender when he has not played a game in the nba yet . Rose was a pretty good defender a Memphis .

Rose wasnt a good defender at all .. and he wasnt the PG that Wall was for his team , they played a different offense , but still .. Wall just looks like a way better playmaker

nbadraft.net

A relentless defender with quick hands and length. Gets low and will lock his man down on defense and should only improve. Gives the same intensity and effort on both ends of the floor

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

The talent surrounding Wall was freshmen/underclassmen whereas Rose had upperclassmen.

LOL Kentucky had 5 guys go in the first round. Rose had CDR who is on the deep end of a rotation if at all on most teams, and Rose still got his team to the championship game

[Legendary 33]

and hes a better passer and defender as well .. well see.

Yup except the almighty Wall couldn't hold Jeremy Lin's jock during summer league..

the point is, you cant make judgments like that on players before they even play a game in the NBA. Lets just give it a few months. If Wall lives up to the hype, then I agree with whoever said that it'll be a comparison for the ages

[Zeitgeister]

and hes a better passer and defender as well .. well see.

Yup except the almighty Wall couldn't hold Jeremy Lin's jock during summer league..

the point is, you cant make judgments like that on players before they even play a game in the NBA. Lets just give it a few months. If Wall lives up to the hype, then I agree with whoever said that it'll be a comparison for the ages

Maybe not, but you can judge where the two players were at the same points in their career. From that perspective I would say that Wall is a better defender and passer.

[Jvaughn]

even tho he hasnt played a game yet, I like John Wall more ..

The kid is gonna get to the line a lot in the NBA , and hes a better passer and defender as well .. well see.

How can you say that he is a better passer and defender when he has not played a game in the nba yet . Rose was a pretty good defender a Memphis .

Rose wasnt a good defender at all .. and he wasnt the PG that Wall was for his team , they played a different offense , but still .. Wall just looks like a way better playmaker

The opposing PG's in the tourney that year might disagree with you. Rose was a great defender in college. And im talking man defender, not passing lanes guy. Coming into the league most thought he would continue that. It was a huge surprise that his college D didn't translate to the national stage.

[J08]

Rose is better by quite a bit.
Better ball handler, better shooter, better penetrator and he is no turnover machine. He also lead his team to the playoffs.

[king_james_6]

Rose is better by quite a bit.
Better ball handler, better shooter, better penetrator and he is no turnover machine. He also lead his team to the playoffs.

John Wall hasn't got the chance to lead his team to the playoffs yet but i know he's capable

[dookieguy]

Well, no one knows for sure how Wall will do in the playoffs.

I think with more experience and control, he could be a equal (maybe better) scorer but a way better passer.

We'll see..

[Zeitgeister]

Rose is better by quite a bit.
Better ball handler, better shooter, better penetrator and he is no turnover machine. He also lead his team to the playoffs.

John Wall has good handles, I'd say they were superior to Rose his rookie year. Rose may be a better shooter now but he wasn't in college.

[cmd1985]

Rose is better by quite a bit.
Better ball handler, better shooter, better penetrator and he is no turnover machine. He also lead his team to the playoffs.

John Wall has good handles, I'd say they were superior to Rose his rookie year. Rose may be a better shooter now but he wasn't in college.

Wall may be a better defender than Rose but as a shooter they were almost a wash coming out of college and Rose worked his tail off in the NBA.

Wall 3PT% (37-114) 32.5%
Rose (35-104) 33.7%

The crazy thing about Wall is that in SEC play he shot 41% from the field. When they weren't able to turn everyone over like in non-conference play he struggled mightily in the half court. The improved spacing of the NBA will help though. What makes Wall handle superior though and ball handling for a guy like Rose or Wall won't change much in the NBA so the whole superior to Rose's rookie year doesn't make sense. I don't know who will be better but we will find out soon enough hell we even get a glimpse 12 days from now.

[Chosen01]

Wall reminds me of PG version of Wade( I can see why TA18/Wone doesn't like him ) , change of pace dribble, drawing fouls, below average jumper at a collegiate level, Obviously Rose is better since Wall has yet to play a game, but starting over a franchise, I'll take my chances on him over what I see/saw in Rose at this point.