Shaq/Wade vs. TD/Kobe

[The_Purple_Tape]

Here I am pretending like I don't go into every kobe thread

[NO-KG-AI]

Seems like too many things can go wrong with Shaq/Wade to have consistent dominance.

[Andrewchos]

Here I am pretending like I don't go into every kobe thread

#1. I don't.
#2. I can post in any thread I want.
#3.

[Andrewchos]

Seems like too many things can go wrong with Shaq/Wade to have consistent dominance.

I can certainly accept that as a possibility, but at the same time Shaq/Kobe got to the finals 4 times in 5 years and since (imo) DWade doesn't have the same destructive Ego that Bryant had I see no reason Shaq/Wade couldn't play together for atleast 10 years with 5-8 finals appearances.

Keep in mind a way out of Prime Shaq and a not yet Prime Wade basically made it to the Final's two years in a row 05 and 06.

[The_Purple_Tape]

I'm not mad because I like Kobe and I enjoy watching him carve out a superior career to the fat ring chaser.

[Andrewchos]

I enjoy watching him carve out a superior career to the fat ring chaser.

Yea, your definitely not mad.

[The_Purple_Tape]

Ok, Back on topic I would take TD/Kobe, really because Kobe is so vastly superior to shaq.

[Jase]

Pretty sure this exact comparison has been made twice in this thread. I've voted Duncan/Bryant the first two times, and won't change my answer now. There's just no holes. No chemistry concerns (they're pretty much the ideal match, as far as team-chemistry), no conditioning issues, and significantly less injury concerns.

[Andrewchos]

We've already shown that Shaq's longevity is just as good if not superior to Duncans.

I think its silly to assume Duncan/Kobe would have no holes or chemistry concerns since they never played together and Duncan never to had to play with someone with such a huge destructive ego (young Bryunt) We've already seen a non-prime Wade/Shaq make it to the Final's two years in a row basically in 05/06 and Shaq/Kobe made it to the Finals 4 times in 5 years... whats the common denominator Shaq + a good guard = Finals appearance.

I think Kobe/Duncan could be really really good together, but at the same time to assume they would play a certain way or mesh perfectly is kind of absurd.

[ChiCitySPORTS#1]

Shaq and TD is debatable. Wade and Kobe is not.

TD and Kobe for me.

[joeyAdaMan]

Shaq and TD is debatable. Wade and Kobe is not.

TD and Kobe for me.

[therealbig3]

We've already shown that Shaq's longevity is just as good if not superior to Duncans.

I think its silly to assume Duncan/Kobe would have no holes or chemistry concerns since they never played together and Duncan never to had to play with someone with such a huge destructive ego (young Bryunt) We've already seen a non-prime Wade/Shaq make it to the Final's two years in a row basically in 05/06 and Shaq/Kobe made it to the Finals 4 times in 5 years... whats the common denominator Shaq + a good guard = Finals appearance.

I think Kobe/Duncan could be really really good together, but at the same time to assume they would play a certain way or mesh perfectly is kind of absurd.

You're vastly underrating the guards Shaq played with. Kobe is probably the 2nd best SG in NBA history, and Wade is probably top 5. It's not just a "good guard"...a good guard is someone like VC or Pierce, and I don't think Shaq wins with either. Shaq was also always injured compared to Duncan.

You're also overselling Bryant's ego. Shaq's was just as big, and his was just as destructive, obviously. You can't place all the blame on Kobe and not on Shaq. Shaq and Kobe were equally responsibly for the breakup of the dynasty, so if Kobe has a huge, destructive ego, Shaq does too.

And I honestly see Duncan having no problem letting Kobe shoot all the time, and actually assuming a Bill Russell role: grab boards, provide great post/outlet passing, anchor the defense, and be an opportunistic scorer, as in getting the garbage buckets.

[Andrewchos]

Shaq is the 2nd best player of this entire Era after Jordan and was far more valuable to those early 00 3peat teams then Bryant was.

You didn't see Duncan let Kobe shoot all the time because it never happened. Shaq does have a big Ego but he acquired it from being the best player in the league for a number of years and winning 3Final MVP's in a row while leading his team to the Final's. He didn't just come into the game as some cocky **** and he got along with 99% of the people he played with.

Kobe was really the reason the dynasty blew up because he couldn't accept the fact that they played better and won more if he accepted his role as the 2nd banana like he was in 99-02/03*

Sure Shaq is lucky to play with some talent around him, but he was always the best and most important piece on those teams by a very large margin. Kobe was an big and important piece also, but his value compared to Shaq was quite small.

Now read this :

I think its silly to assume Duncan/Kobe would have no holes or chemistry concerns since they never played together and Duncan never to had to play with someone with such a huge destructive ego (young Bryunt) We've already seen a non-prime Wade/Shaq make it to the Final's two years in a row basically in 05/06 and Shaq/Kobe made it to the Finals 4 times in 5 years... whats the common denominator Shaq + a good guard = Finals appearance.

I think Kobe/Duncan could be really really good together, but at the same time to assume they would play a certain way or mesh perfectly is kind of absurd.

It's like im the only one who remembers how amazingly dominant Shaq was back from 93-05, take him off any of the teams he played on from 93-05 and see what happens.

Also Kobe was far from the best guard in the league in 2000, he was good but not even top 5 in the league yet.

And Penny/Wade weren't HOF guards when Shaq first joined up with them, see Wade's stats in 04 and compare them to 05 the first year he played with Shaq.

Certain people just like to conveniently forget stuff like that so they can prop up Kobe/Wade or make Shaq look less important, but your only fooling yourselves. The real Fans know how important Shaq was to those teams and know he was by far the most valuable players on those teams and the Main Cog that made everything go.

Shaq's performances over the year's and his 3Final MVP's speak for themselves.

[ChuckTheD]

Shaq has had 7 seasons where he missed over 20 games.

Duncan has never missed more than 15 games in a season.

Wade has had 3 seasons where he missed over 20 games.

Kobe has never missed more than 17 games in a season.

Might want to factor that into the discussion.

[Andrewchos]

How many seasons did Shaq miss the playoffs? Exactly.

Most Dominant Ever.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewBnHq04CRg&feature=fvw[/youtube]

[ChuckTheD]

Keep posting youtube videos to illustrate your point. It totally adds to your credibility.

[The_Purple_Tape]

Keep posting youtube videos to illustrate your point. It totally adds to your credibility.

You are wasting your energy, just put him on ignore and continue on to a happier smarter realgm experience.

[Andrewchos]

I finished what I had to say, the video was just a reminder of how insanely good/dominant he was. I really don't need your opinion's so why not keep it to yourself next time.

[ChuckTheD]

Keep posting youtube videos to illustrate your point. It totally adds to your credibility.

You are wasting your energy, just put him on ignore and continue on to a happier smarter realgm experience.

Done.


I feel 10 pounds lighter.

[Andrewchos]

continue on to a smarter realgm experience.

Haha, not if your a part of it.

I'm very glad I wont have to hear anymore BS/Fanboy talk from you two ballboys, thanks.