#35 Highest Peak of All Time (Cowens '73 wins)

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Re: #35 Highest Peak of All Time (ends Fri 9:00 PM Pacific) 

Post#21 » by ardee » Sat Nov 3, 2012 6:41 am

JordansBulls wrote:He led the Hawks to more of an elite record. However 1986 Nique was higher in MVP voting and led the league in scoring.

Vote: 1987 Dominique Wilkins.


JB, why Wilkins over King? King scored on just as good volume and was far more efficient. Plus he was a decent team defender.
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Post#22 » by Lightning25 » Sat Nov 3, 2012 7:57 am

ardee, what are your thoughts on Yao and peak Yao? I remember you made a post on Yao before, maybe I'm wrong though.
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Re: #35 Highest Peak of All Time (ends Fri 9:00 PM Pacific) 

Post#23 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Nov 3, 2012 8:21 pm

bastillon wrote:Cowens was like a Garnett before Garnett. he was the most active player in the league, gave you insane intensity night in and night out (check out 4th qtrs of G6-G7 in '74 finals, he's diving on the floor repeatedly), not a pure scorer, struggled 1 on 1 vs set defenses but played well off of teammates, set good screens, moved without the ball for a jumpshot, great passer obv, really good shooter for a C - his spacing effect was the reason why Bucks lost 74 finals (KAJ rebounding totals dropped really bad compared to the rest of that PS). I don't think he could be #1 offensive guy but definitely valuable part of good offense. would work extremely well with someone like Manu. defensively he reminds me a lot of KG, very active, by far the best pnr defender of his generation (could legitimately guard a guard imo, his footwork was unbelievable), elite defensive rebounder, not a shotblocker but contested shots very well, didnt give up easy pts, always made the right rotation, high motor-energy-intangibles guy. in a way, a lot like Walton.

pros: versatility, D rebounding, pnr D, help D, passing, spacing effect, he'd play PF today
cons: poor post scorer, didn't finish well, didnt draw double teams, more of a #2 guy

btw, there's absolutely no way Cowens was 6'9 if Thurmond was 6'11. I've seen them go h2h and Cowens was EASILY taller. imo Cowens was probably somewhere between 6'10'5 and 6'11 and Thurmond was probably 6'9.

btw2, Cowens was robbed off 2 fMVP awards. literally robbed. not only did he post better stats than Hondo in '74 and Jojo White in '76 but his impact was also way better than his stats suggested. in '74 he took KAJ away from the basket and made him work for his pts. Celtics pressure on guards was the key to that series but that was also in large part due to Cowens presence all over the floor. I've only seen couple of 4th quarters from those finals but Cowens looked like the best player on the floor in game 7 on the road (outplayed Kareem considerably in that G7). in '76 I have no idea what those voters were smoking. I watched every game from that series and Cowens was definitely the best player on the floor, he was everywhere, he had the best stats, the highest impact etc. quite probably the worst fMVP in history. at least usually those guys have a case, JoJo did not.


So you've really got me thinking about Cowens. Would be nice to see others chime in.

I suppose at this point I'm leaning Pettit for the reasons I've already given.

Gilmore remains on my mind. fatal indicated he wasn't a fan, but I've yet to really hear any criticisms of the guy.

Nique & King are guys who I could see leaping to the top of my list too.

Still waiting to here more on the various point guards out there. In particular I'd like see some criticism on KJ.
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Re: #35 Highest Peak of All Time (ends Sat 9:00 PM Pacific) 

Post#24 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Nov 3, 2012 10:05 pm

If people want to start a Cowens bandwagon I'd change my vote to him (it's obvious nobody else but me is feeling Pierce). I have Pierce as the highest wing guy and Cowens as the highest big man.
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Re: #35 Highest Peak of All Time (ends Sat 9:00 PM Pacific) 

Post#25 » by Doctor MJ » Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:24 pm

Alright I'll be heading out shortly so I gotta pick. I feel like I'd like more vetting of Cowens before he gets in, but right now I'm feeling him.

Vote: Cowens '73
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Post#26 » by Dr Positivity » Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:30 pm

I'll officially change my vote to 73 Cowens then
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Post#27 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:31 am

73 Cowens - 2 (Dr Positivity, Doctor MJ)
87 Dominique - 1 (JordansBulls)
84 Bernard King - 1 (ardee)
00 Mourning - 1 (C-izMe)
07 Yao - 1 (Lightning25)
74 Lanier - 1 (DavidStern)
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Re: #35 Highest Peak of All Time (ends Sat 9:00 PM Pacific) 

Post#28 » by Doctor MJ » Sun Nov 4, 2012 7:34 am

Wow okay. So...

Cowens '73 has been enshrined...

and I'm going to start some talk over in the project thread. People are way disengaged right now.
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