How good shooter was Wilt outside of "at rim" area?

[Quotatious]

Oscar and West currently rank 92nd and 166th all-time respectively in TS%. Players like Eddy Curry and Richard Jefferson outrank them both for their careers.

Rethink your argument.

Bad argument.

Robertson and West averaged about 20 FGA per game for their career, and every team put A LOT of pressure against them, and they also played in a very guard-unfriendly era, when bigmen could pack the paint and deny any chances for easy layups, especially if 50% of the league had a Hall of Famer anchoring the middle - Russell, Chamberlain, Reed, Thurmond, Bellamy, even Zelmo Beaty...It wasn't easy to get anything to go under the basket as a perimeter player. Oscar's and Jerry's efficiency is on par with a player like Kobe Bryant, and that's era-UNadjusted...Come on, that's really a poor and kinda classless attempt to discredit these legends. Both were really big statistical outliers in their era, considering that they were a yearly fixture for top 5 in efficiency in the NBA, and until 1966-67 season, both were more efficient as scorers than Wilt Chamberlain...Era-relative, they were actually pretty close to the current LeBron/Durant type of efficiency.

[MisterWestside]

Bad argument.

Robertson and West averaged about 20 FGA per game for their career, and every team put A LOT of pressure against them, and they also played in a very guard-unfriendly era, when bigmen could pack the paint and deny any chances for easy layups, especially if 50% of the league had a Hall of Famer anchoring the middle - Russell, Chamberlain, Reed, Thurmond, Bellamy, even Zelmo Beaty...It wasn't easy to get anything to go under the basket as a perimeter player. Oscar's and Jerry's efficiency is on par with a player like Kobe Bryant, and that's era-UNadjusted...Come on, that's really a poor and kinda classless attempt to discredit these legends. Both were really big statistical outliers in their era, considering that they were a yearly fixture for top 5 in efficiency in the NBA, and until 1966-67 season, both were more efficient as scorers than Wilt Chamberlain...Era-relative, they were actually pretty close to the current LeBron/Durant type of efficiency.

You gotta know me better than that, Quotatious My post was not intended to disparage Oscar and West.

I'm merely using the examples of Curry and Jefferson to show RayBan-Sematra that you can't just look at efficiency without context. He wants to take Wilt's FG% and compare them to other greats without any regard for any of the things that you talked about, while at the same time boasting about Oscar and West's "elite" efficiency. Well, if you simply take their efficiencies and compare to all the other players in NBA history, they don't seem so elite anymore, now do they? Being elite only makes sense when context is applied. Wilt was 2nd in eFG% and 9th in TS% from '60-'67, in a league that featured way less floor spacing than the "inside-out" era of Hakeem and Shaq's heyday, despite also leading the league in field goal attempts and free throw attempts per minute by a wide margin http://bkref.com/tiny/5lXvG

Even when you compare the players from the same era to each other, Wilt is right there:

Oscar: .566 TS%, 21.7 true shooting attempts/36 min
West .541 TS%, 23.2 true shooting attempts/36 min
Wilt .529 TS%, 28.7 true shooting attempts/36 min

Only bringing some balance to the conversation.

[Quotatious]

You gotta know me better than that, Quotatious My post was not intended to disparage Oscar and West.

I'm merely using the examples of Curry and Jefferson to show RayBan-Sematra that you can't just look at efficiency without context. He wants to take Wilt's FG% and compare them to other greats without any regard for any of the things that you talked about, while at the same time boasting about Oscar and West's "elite" efficiency. Well, if you simply take their efficencies and compare to all the other players in NBA history, they don't seem so elite anymore, now do they? Being elite only makes sense when context is applied. Wilt was 2nd in eFG% and 9th in TS% from '60-'67, in a league that featured way less floor spacing than the "inside-out" era of Hakeem and Shaq's heyday, despite also leading the league in field goal attempts and free throw attempts per minute by a wide margin http://bkref.com/tiny/5lXvG

Even when you compare the players from the same era to each other, Wilt is right there:

Oscar: .566 TS%, 21.7 true shooting attempts/36 min
West .541 TS%, 23.2 true shooting attempts/36 min
Wilt .529 TS%, 28.7 true shooting attempts/36 min

Only bringing some balance to the conversation.

Okay, so now it turns out that I was the one who was being disrespectful. You're certainly a good poster and that's why I was shocked to see you saying that stuff.

[MisterWestside]

Haha, I didn't think you were being disrespectful, Quotatious

[penbeast0]

Ray-Ban Sematra said "Yes. 50%FG is very low for a GOAT level volume scoring power C and 53-55%FG is very low for a GOAT level scoring power C who is only being asked to score around 14-22ppg."

Wilt scored less than 22ppg only 4 times in his career. For those seasons, his fg% was:

1969 20.5ppg at .583fg%
1971 20.7ppg at .545fg%
1972 14.8ppg at .649fg%
1973 13.2ppg at .727fg%

Where do you get this garbage?

[Johnlac1]

Oscar and West currently rank 92nd and 166th all-time respectively in TS%. Players like Eddy Curry and Richard Jefferson outrank them both for their careers.

Rethink your argument.

Bad argument.

Robertson and West averaged about 20 FGA per game for their career, and every team put A LOT of pressure against them, and they also played in a very guard-unfriendly era, when bigmen could pack the paint and deny any chances for easy layups, especially if 50% of the league had a Hall of Famer anchoring the middle - Russell, Chamberlain, Reed, Thurmond, Bellamy, even Zelmo Beaty...It wasn't easy to get anything to go under the basket as a perimeter player. Oscar's and Jerry's efficiency is on par with a player like Kobe Bryant, and that's era-UNadjusted...Come on, that's really a poor and kinda classless attempt to discredit these legends. Both were really big statistical outliers in their era, considering that they were a yearly fixture for top 5 in efficiency in the NBA, and until 1966-67 season, both were more efficient as scorers than Wilt Chamberlain...Era-relative, they were actually pretty close to the current LeBron/Durant type of efficiency.

Robertson and West had to face three centers (Russell, Chamberlain, Thurmond) who would be tremendous def./shot-blockers today. And furthermore, until Chamberlain joined the Lakers in the last year of sixties, neither West nor Robertson played with a top center on their own teams. They, especially Robertson, took all the tough shots. And West never played with a top-flight pg., so most of the shots he took were on his own effort. Plus, nobody knows how players from that era would react to today's game if put in that situation. They obviously wouldn't try some of the same things. But both would still be great players.

[penbeast0]

West WAS a PG . . . or do you think Gil Arenas is a 2 (which I've actually heard before too)?

[RayBan-Sematra]

Oscar and West currently rank 92nd and 166th all-time respectively in TS%. Players like Eddy Curry and Richard Jefferson outrank them both for their careers.

Rethink your argument.

I didn't realize Oscar was as inconsistent with his effiency later in his career.
Though in the early 60's when Wilt was volume scoring Oscar was incredibly efficient with a TS% average of around 57-58%.
West during his Prime was also around 55%TS which is good for a volume scorer.

(Keep in mind I am using playoff numbers)

Ray-Ban Sematra said "Yes. 50%FG is very low for a GOAT level volume scoring power C and 53-55%FG is very low for a GOAT level scoring power C who is only being asked to score around 14-22ppg."

Wilt scored less than 22ppg only 4 times in his career. For those seasons, his fg% was:

1969 20.5ppg at .583fg%
1971 20.7ppg at .545fg%
1972 14.8ppg at .649fg%
1973 13.2ppg at .727fg%

Where do you get this garbage?

Odd. I didn't think I would have to explain this.
I was looking at Wilt's playoff numbers.

In the early 60's during his scoring prime his average FG% over those years was 50%.
In the late 60's we can see him scoring at lower volume while shooting in the 53-55% range.

68 - 24ppg on 53%FG
69 - 14ppg on 54%FG
70 - 22ppg on 55%FG
71 - 18ppg on 45%FG
72 - 15ppg on 56%FG
73 - 10ppg on 55%FG

The playoffs are what matter most to me.
Certain guys (Robinson) can put up big numbers in the regular-season but can't come close to replicating that effectiveness in the playoffs.