Charles Barkley Impact Statistics (1989-1992)

[lorak]

Even his 91 and 92 down years look better by plus/minus stats

I wouldn't call those down years, at least offensively. He was as good as ever on offense. They were certainly down years for the Sixers as a team, and it appears Barkley badly tanked his defensive effort those last two years. It would be interesting to see the RAPM data and how much of this was affected by the lineups, especially in 1991.

Also Maunte Bol with his 8'6 wingspan had a big defensive impact in 1991, at -14.0. Some may say he played limited minutes, but he was very effective at protecting the rim.

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Wow. Do you have Bol's numbers for his other years in Philly? -14.0 on defense would be the highest on record so far. The best I've seen yet is Jason Collins -11.8 in 2005.

Bol was fantastic defensively:

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YEAR   PLAYER   DIFF DRTG   MIN
1990-91   Manute Bol   -14,0   1522
1991-92   Manute Bol   -17,1   1267
1992-93   Manute Bol   -1,8   855
1993-94   Manute Bol   -14,6   49


On the other side of the floor not only Barkley, but also Hawkins looks good:

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YEAR   PLAYER   DIFF ORTG   MIN
1988-89   Hersey Hawkins   4,2   2577
1989-90   Hersey Hawkins   6,5   2856
1990-91   Hersey Hawkins   8,2   3110
1991-92   Hersey Hawkins   10,5   3013
1992-93   Hersey Hawkins   -0,2   2977


[Dipper 13]

On the other side of the floor not only Barkley, but also Hawkins looks good:

Dawkins was also solid at point guard. Quick lefty and could stop on a dime for a pullup shot.

1990: +5.2
1991: (Missed 78 Games, ACL)
1992: +11.0
1993: +1.3

[Dipper 13]

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1991-1 ... coach-heat

November 29, 1991

Paired with Hersey Hawkins, Dawkins appeared on the verge of rounding out one of the top backcourts in the league. Both can score from outside; both can penetrate. Still, considering Dawkins sustained his injury on a drive, that may be the part of his game that leaves the most doubt.

For the 76ers it will be the final step in validating the sales promotion. With a 100-percent Dawkins, the 76ers may be as good as any team in the Atlantic Division. With an ailing Dawkins, the burden may prove to be too great for forward Charles Barkley.

"Teams are starting to double-team me more," Barkley said after a loss in New York last week. "And unless we make them pay for it, it will just keep getting worse."

Last season, Rickey Green and Andre Turner helped fill the void.

But what the 76ers need most this season is for Dawkins to make that final stride to complete recovery.

"Last year, Rickey Green gave us outside shooting, Andre gave us penetration," Lynam said. "But, obviously, they were different point guards. But Johnny's a point guard who gives us both."

[penbeast0]

Dawkins was a good (not great) guard, but just couldn't seem to stay healthy. Even when he didn't miss games, he always seemed to have some nagging injury that slowed him. Hawkins was good though not great too; I remember saying that's who Brad Beal reminded me of coming into the league though Beal has showed excellent 3 point range (if only he quit taking so many long 2s . . . with Cassell gone, hopefully he and Wall will break this habit, I know Cassell loved the long 2 . . . but I digress).

Bol was the classic all-D, zero O player. He couldn't shoot layups with consistency when wide open. There were years where they would just put him on the 3 point line to try to force the other team to pull someone out of their defense. He also wasn't much of a rebounder and couldn't get post position with his stick figure frame but he had ridiculous length and good timing as a shot blocker, possibly the best at that single skill to ever play. The year before the Bullets got Moses, Ruland was injured and they built their defense around funnelling players into Manute . . . and they were just as good as when they added Moses. Always wished they'd play Bol and Moses together despite their limitations but they never did that I remember. He was so obviously incompetent at everything else, he never played that much any other year despite his shotblocking. They were using Armen Gilliam ahead of him who was more of a scoring PF like Barkley.

[LakerLegend]

Barkley and Garnett are some of the best examples of not waiting around too long if a franchise can't get it together around you. He stuck around in Philly a couple of seasons too long.

[Dipper 13]

Another good showing. From the RAPM data we have, Bradley looks good. He wasn't a bust at all. He was a good player.

A year earlier, another Sixers big man who failed to live up to Harold Katz's expectations was Charles Shackleford, who would just get abused defensively and didn't seem to have his head in the game. Unlike Bradley he looks horrible defensively, but in the 1992 data he looks very solid on offense which does not match the eye test at all. I wonder how much of his offensive data are affected by the lineups and how much of Barkley's poor defensive data is affected by sharing so many minutes with Shackleford (+4.8 Net DRtg average for both '92 & '93) compared to players like Mahorn and Gminski who were much better. After all, Shackleford was the starter before an ancient broken down Jeff Ruland had to come back out of retirement, having had knee surgery in the offseason. I believe Barkley absolutely dogged his defensive effort compared to 1989 and 1990, but not by nearly 8 pts/100. This is why RAPM is needed and the NBA's sealed play-by-play data will provide a more accurate picture.

Below is just one example of a game (even just the first few minutes) where Shackleford appears to be daydreaming instead of playing ball and is badly abused by Kevin Willis. He is not even ready for the jump ball.


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Game Recap

Philadelphia Daily News - November 23, 1991

Charles Barkley has seen the future and loathes it.

"I know exactly how we're going to do this season, how we're going to finish," the 76ers' captain said last night as he glanced up from the rubble of a 99-92 loss to the Atlanta Hawks at the Spectrum.

He is talking about mediocrity without mentioning it. He is talking about a middle-of-the-pack season, and it disgusts him.

"I'm not into all that rhetorical stuff," he said after scoring a season- high 35 points and taking a team-high 14 rebounds. "This is a league where you've got to work. We can't win games working like that. That was bad effort."

Bad, period.

This is the team that was using "protect home" as a rallying cry. Last night, the Sixers left the doors open, the windows unlocked and the lights on. By the end of the evening, the cupboard was bare.

They shot a season-low 37.8 percent from the floor and allowed the Hawks (51.3 percent) to become the seventh opponent to reach 50 percent or better.

Compounding that, they permitted the Hawks' Kevin Willis to become even more of a monster than he has been in the finest start of his career. Willis swept a career-high 23 rebounds, scored a team-high 27 points and shot 11-for- 15. He became the first player this season besides Dominique Wilkins (17) to lead the team in scoring.

"He's been doing it since the season started," the Sixers' Ron Anderson said. "But, if you know that, you should do something about it. Box out."

Clearly, they didn't.

"We wanted to do something to slow him down," teammate Hersey Hawkins said. "I guess we did nothing."

Clearly, they did.

Which brings us to the next problem. Charles Shackleford, the Sixers' starting center, had just two points and four rebounds in 12 minutes. He shot 1-for-6, leaving him 5-for-24 through the last four games.

Instead of responding to Shackleford's performance individually, Barkley offered a more expansive perspective.

"We've been very lucky to get off to as good a start as we have (7-4)," Barkley said. "Until we compete every night, we're going to have breakdowns. I don't mind a lack of talent; a lack of effort bothers me. I don't care how bad a guy is, as long as we work hard.

"We have to make some decisions about our team. We've got to have some consistency. If other guys don't hold up their end of the bargain, that's not fair. You guys decipher that.

"Obviously, we've got to get better production out of the center spot. That's a no-brainer. I don't think it's fair for guys not to carry their end of the load. It's a team thing. We've got to get better production out of the center. Or better effort."

Was he advocating a lineup change?

"That's up to Jimmy (Lynam, the Sixers' coach)," he said.

Barkley could locate no solace in knowing that, before last night, the Sixers had won seven of their last eight, or that they had won their previous four at home. All he knew was, they had begun the evening in first place in the Atlantic Division and stumbled into second, a half-game behind Miami (7-3).

"To me, that means if we lose (in New York tonight), we'll have gone from first place to the middle of the pack, and that's not where I want to be," he said.

"When you shoot 37 percent and score only 92 points in your own building, you're going to get dumped," Lynam said.

Make no mistake: The Sixers got unceremoniously dumped. Worse, they got dumped by the Hawks, who are suddenly 7-4 after being projected as one of the weakest teams in the Central Division.

Barkley wants to see the Sixers come out of their funk.

"We're not good enough that we can just show up," Barkley said. ''Chicago, Portland, maybe they can, but the rest of us have to come out and work.

"You're supposed to win home games, and if you're going to lose at home, it should be to a great team. Atlanta's good, not great."

[Dipper 13]

Philadelphia Inquirer - November 29, 1991

The 76ers were without Charles Barkley when they lost by 107-97 to the Cleveland Cavaliers on Wednesday night, their fourth straight defeat and one that reduced them to a mere .500 basketball team.

But what bothered the team most was not the absence of Barkley, who has an injured rib cage, but the absence of fundamental offensive execution.

"Everybody has to sacrifice for the other guy," said fuming point guard Johnny Dawkins. "You've got to sacrifice. You can't always be looking for your own out there. If you do that, you can't get anything done. This shouldn't continue. Is it frustrating? It (makes me mad), is what it does."

The Sixers came into the game already upset about a late loss to Cleveland in the Spectrum the night before. Fourth-quarter breakdowns on offense led to that collapse as well. A screen that was supposed to be set for Hersey Hawkins by center Charles Shackleford, one that never arrived, led to a turnover and a tying Cavaliers layup in the final two minutes.

What a difference a day didn't make for the offense.

The Sixers faltered at the start on Wednesday, found themselves relying on jump shots with the shot clock ticking down, and fell behind by 17-2 before the game was four minutes old.

It may be too easy to simply lay the blame on Shackleford, who was removed from the game after the initial debacle in the Richfield Coliseum, and who played a total of just 13 minutes, but his play continues to be a large problem for the Sixers.

Defensively, Shackleford's liabilities are obvious. He doesn't get back quickly enough and plays very poor positional defense when he finally gets there. Cleveland's Brad Daugherty was on a pace to score 120 points for the evening when Shackleford was taken out. Oh sure, Daugherty probably would have slowed down, but we'll never know.

At the other end, however, the problems may be just as great. Shackleford has been tutored on the Sixers' offense for nearly two months, but the nuances of helping to get his teammates open are still escaping him.

"All you can do is keep working on it," Sixers coach Jim Lynam said of the execution, although not singling out Shackleford. "A lot of it is concentration. It could be a lot better."

Shackleford finished the night with five points and three rebounds and four personal fouls in his 13 minutes. Expected to be a rebounding force for the Sixers this season, he has had five or fewer rebounds in six of his 10 games and has survived for an average of just 19.7 minutes a night because of his poor play. He's had double-figure rebounds only twice and is earning the nickname "Sports Illustrated" because he shows up once a week.

[Dipper 13]

Afternoons With Howard Eskin and Ike Reese - 8/31/2011

Charles Barkley

10:05 mark

http://www.viaway.com/view/24859757/charles-barkley

[Dipper 13]

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Based on the plus/minus data, Sixers Barkley looks solid on defense until the last two years (1991/1992)

1985: -0.9
1986: -2.3
1987: -4.8
1988: +1.4
1989: -0.4
1990: +0.6

6 Year Average: -1.1 Net DRtg