2015 APM/RAPM/etc.

[colts18]

Here is a 2015 RAPM which I believe is non prior informed

1 James Harden 8.99
2 Manu Ginobili 8.40
3 Kyle Korver 6.78
4 Draymond Green 6.67
5 Markieff Morris 6.50
6 Stephen Curry 6.45
7 Damian Lillard 6.32
8 Cody Zeller 6.40
9 Anthony Davis 5.85
10 Zach Randolph 5.74
11 Kyle Lowry 5.73
12 Kawhi Leonard 5.71
13 LeBron James 5.67
14 Khris Middleton 5.63
15 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 5.54
16 Carmelo Anthony 5.48
17 Jeff Teague 5.27
18 Luol Deng 5.25
19 C.J. Miles 5.11
20 Tony Allen 4.91

http://nbviewer.ipython.org/gist/EvanZ/ ... eb14f28d58

[Jaivl]

Hey, that's an awesome page right there. Maybe I could use my programming skills in something useful.

[colts18]

Here is an RAPM for 2014 and 2015 seasons (1.5 season of data):

Rank Name RAPM
1 Manu Ginobili 10.16
2 Kyle Korver 9.57
3 James Harden 9.40
4 Kevin Durant 9.10
5 Stephen Curry 9.04
6 Dirk Nowitzki 8.80
7 Kyle Lowry 8.56
8 Damian Lillard 8.45
9 LeBron James 8.07
10 Pero Antic 7.52
11 Kawhi Leonard 7.31
12 Carmelo Anthony 6.95
13 LaMarcus Aldridge 6.91
14 Chris Paul 6.43
15 Zach Randolph 6.33
16 J.J. Redick 6.19
17 Anthony Davis 6.11
18 Rudy Gay 6.01
19 Klay Thompson 5.45
20 Deron Williams 5.45

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1655629432

[ronnymac2]

Pero Antic = Terry Mills circa 1997

[ceiling raiser]

Thanks for sharing, colts!

Very happy that the eye test and numbers finally agree on Davis.

[SideshowBob]

Awesome! My only hesitation is that I don't think we can look at these numbers in relative context with available previous season NPI data, unless we calculate those with the same method.

Also, hopefully J.E. provides an update to the PI data.

[SideshowBob]

Anyone taken a look at Got Buckets' FourFactor APM? Its multiyear, they have data for the 2015 season (that is currently using data from Feb 2013-Feb 2015), but only in offensive/defensive splits. It'd be good to compare to previous seasons (they go back to 2005).

Offense

Defense

[andyhop]

Anyone taken a look at Got Buckets' FourFactor APM? Its multiyear, they have data for the 2015 season (that is currently using data from Feb 2013-Feb 2015), but only in offensive/defensive splits. It'd be good to compare to previous seasons (they go back to 2005).

Offense

Defense

Really wish they would get the RAPM back updating as it was nice to have a version of it that was easily searchable.

[Jaivl]

Anyone taken a look at Got Buckets' FourFactor APM? Its multiyear, they have data for the 2015 season (that is currently using data from Feb 2013-Feb 2015), but only in offensive/defensive splits. It'd be good to compare to previous seasons (they go back to 2005).

Offense

Defense

Really wish they would get the RAPM back updating as it was nice to have a version of it that was easily searchable.

You can search with CTRL+F, you know

[E-Balla]

Here is a 2015 RAPM which I believe is non prior informed

1 James Harden 8.99
2 Manu Ginobili 8.40
3 Kyle Korver 6.78
4 Draymond Green 6.67
5 Markieff Morris 6.50
6 Stephen Curry 6.45
7 Damian Lillard 6.32
8 Cody Zeller 6.40
9 Anthony Davis 5.85
10 Zach Randolph 5.74
11 Kyle Lowry 5.73
12 Kawhi Leonard 5.71
13 LeBron James 5.67
14 Khris Middleton 5.63
15 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 5.54
16 Carmelo Anthony 5.48
17 Jeff Teague 5.27
18 Luol Deng 5.25
19 C.J. Miles 5.11
20 Tony Allen 4.91

http://nbviewer.ipython.org/gist/EvanZ/ ... eb14f28d58

Honestly only CJ Miles and Khris Middleton surprise me in this bunch. Everyone else is kind of a given.

[GYK]

RAPM is supposed to be a better gauge then BPM or VORP or PER?
Cody Zellar huh. That's surprising. Morris/Kris/Miles. What's being done to get these numbers?

[andyhop]

You can search with CTRL+F, you know

Doesn't help when I want to see all of the Wolves players ordered by ORAPM

[Jaivl]

RAPM is supposed to be a better gauge then BPM or VORP or PER?
Cody Zellar huh. That's surprising. Morris/Kris/Miles. What's being done to get these numbers?

BPM is a estimation of RAPM and VORP is a variation of BPM, so yes.

You have to take into consideration that RAPM numbers need to be given context as they depend a lot on the role of the player. Manu having a +8.4 doesn't make him the second best player in the league, and that's not what RAPM tries to say.

[GYK]

RAPM is supposed to be a better gauge then BPM or VORP or PER?
Cody Zellar huh. That's surprising. Morris/Kris/Miles. What's being done to get these numbers?

BPM is a estimation of RAPM and VORP is a variation of BPM, so yes.

You have to take into consideration that RAPM numbers need to be given context as they depend a lot on the role of the player. Manu having a +8.4 doesn't make him the best player in the league, and that's not what RAPM tries to say.

So what does it say?

[Jaivl]

RAPM is supposed to be a better gauge then BPM or VORP or PER?
Cody Zellar huh. That's surprising. Morris/Kris/Miles. What's being done to get these numbers?

BPM is a estimation of RAPM and VORP is a variation of BPM, so yes.

You have to take into consideration that RAPM numbers need to be given context as they depend a lot on the role of the player. Manu having a +8.4 doesn't make him the best player in the league, and that's not what RAPM tries to say.

So what does it say?

http://www.gotbuckets.com/what-is-apm/

[GYK]

BPM is a estimation of RAPM and VORP is a variation of BPM, so yes.

You have to take into consideration that RAPM numbers need to be given context as they depend a lot on the role of the player. Manu having a +8.4 doesn't make him the best player in the league, and that's not what RAPM tries to say.

So what does it say?

http://www.gotbuckets.com/what-is-apm/

I see. Thanks for the link.

Also the guys who get this data or post it should put minutes and role into their adjustment if it maters.

[E-Balla]

Here is an RAPM for 2014 and 2015 seasons (1.5 season of data):

Rank Name RAPM
1 Manu Ginobili 10.16
2 Kyle Korver 9.57
3 James Harden 9.40
4 Kevin Durant 9.10
5 Stephen Curry 9.04
6 Dirk Nowitzki 8.80
7 Kyle Lowry 8.56
8 Damian Lillard 8.45
9 LeBron James 8.07
10 Pero Antic 7.52
11 Kawhi Leonard 7.31
12 Carmelo Anthony 6.95
13 LaMarcus Aldridge 6.91
14 Chris Paul 6.43
15 Zach Randolph 6.33
16 J.J. Redick 6.19
17 Anthony Davis 6.11
18 Rudy Gay 6.01
19 Klay Thompson 5.45
20 Deron Williams 5.45

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1655629432

The jump from LaMarcus, Melo, and Kawhi to the next high minute player (Lebron) is steep.

[colts18]

Here is a 2015 RAPM which I believe is non prior informed

1 James Harden 8.99
2 Manu Ginobili 8.40
3 Kyle Korver 6.78
4 Draymond Green 6.67
5 Markieff Morris 6.50
6 Stephen Curry 6.45
7 Damian Lillard 6.32
8 Cody Zeller 6.40
9 Anthony Davis 5.85
10 Zach Randolph 5.74
11 Kyle Lowry 5.73
12 Kawhi Leonard 5.71
13 LeBron James 5.67
14 Khris Middleton 5.63
15 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 5.54
16 Carmelo Anthony 5.48
17 Jeff Teague 5.27
18 Luol Deng 5.25
19 C.J. Miles 5.11
20 Tony Allen 4.91

http://nbviewer.ipython.org/gist/EvanZ/ ... eb14f28d58

Honestly only CJ Miles and Khris Middleton surprise me in this bunch. Everyone else is kind of a given.

Melo is a surprise. Knicks fans were saying all year that Melo is not the problem. I thought that he couldn't be having that much impact on a 5 win team, but RAPM does confirm that he is having impact.

[E-Balla]

Here is a 2015 RAPM which I believe is non prior informed

1 James Harden 8.99
2 Manu Ginobili 8.40
3 Kyle Korver 6.78
4 Draymond Green 6.67
5 Markieff Morris 6.50
6 Stephen Curry 6.45
7 Damian Lillard 6.32
8 Cody Zeller 6.40
9 Anthony Davis 5.85
10 Zach Randolph 5.74
11 Kyle Lowry 5.73
12 Kawhi Leonard 5.71
13 LeBron James 5.67
14 Khris Middleton 5.63
15 Michael Kidd-Gilchrist 5.54
16 Carmelo Anthony 5.48
17 Jeff Teague 5.27
18 Luol Deng 5.25
19 C.J. Miles 5.11
20 Tony Allen 4.91

http://nbviewer.ipython.org/gist/EvanZ/ ... eb14f28d58

Honestly only CJ Miles and Khris Middleton surprise me in this bunch. Everyone else is kind of a given.

Melo is a surprise. Knicks fans were saying all year that Melo is not the problem. I thought that he couldn't be having that much impact on a 5 win team, but RAPM does confirm that he is having impact.

Well duh that's what I've been saying the last 3 years.

Nah but really it's easy to explain because all you have to do to get it is read posts on Melo from the guys who actually like his game and you'll get a great description of why his numbers are so sweet. Basically the team without him on the floor might be the worst team I've ever seen and as bad as they are with him they are a -15 SRS team in the games he's missed (which is a pretty large sample). To get a -15 team to play like a -6 team you must have a huge impact (the Knicks with him off the floor are the worst offense ever but with him on the floor they're as good as the 9th offense).

I'd also like to add that he was making this huge an impact while playing with a partially torn knee.

I'd really like to hear an explanation for Manu (who I didn't expect to take the top spot but I expected him high) and Khris Middleton (I watch Milwaukee and I love him but I must've missed a lot if I didn't notice the game swinging so often when he came in).

[RSCD3_]

Anyone taken a look at Got Buckets' FourFactor APM? Its multiyear, they have data for the 2015 season (that is currently using data from Feb 2013-Feb 2015), but only in offensive/defensive splits. It'd be good to compare to previous seasons (they go back to 2005).

Offense

Defense

Here is how anyone that got an MVP top 10 vote last year is doing according to this stat and I listed it from largest to smallest

Chris Paul = 9.07/3.07 = 12.14
LeBron James = 9.07/2.14 = 11.21
Stephen Curry = 12.93/-2.88 = 10.05
James Harden = 11.64/-2.29 = 9.35
Kevin Durant = 5.80/0.56 = 6.36
Lamarcus Aldridge = 2.64/1.95 = 4.59
Joakim Noah = -4.48/5.68 = 1.20
Blake Griffin = 0.10/-0.64 = -0.54
Kevin Love = -0.45/-0.78 = -1.23
Al Jefferson = -4.25/-1.61 = -5.86

Also is their a bias when it comes to big men on offense because both gasols, demarcus cousins are all in the negative, blake is barely above zero and LaMarcus is the first true big man ( PF, PF/C or C to be listed and he's only at 2.64, then Davis who is a great offensive player on a good offensive team is only at 2.08??? )