RealGM Top 100 List #93 -- Dave DeBusschere v. Jerry Lucas

[penbeast0]

I will change my vote over to Jerry Lucas to send it to a runoff. Did everything measureable better than DeBusschere though the defensive edge clearly cuts the other way. However, when I watched Lucas a lot with the Knicks, he looked like he gave the effort defensively though clearly not a star. The ascension of the Knicks after the Bellamy/Lucas trade does give me pause, but opinions from that era seem to favor Lucas as well even without the statistical focus many of us have looking back.


Jerry Lucas -- trex_8063, penbeast0, Moonbeam


Dave DeBusschere -- ronnymac2, Clyde Frazier, Quotatious

[Notanoob]

I'll end this runoff with a vote for DeBusschere.

[penbeast0]

I'll end this runoff with a vote for DeBusschere.

It will be over at 5PM EST tomorrow . . . and I need some argument from you to back up your vote.

[Moonbeam]

I'll vote Jerry Lucas for the reasons stated in my previous post.

[penbeast0]

Looks like a tie unless and until Notanoob gives his reasons (in a new post please so we have the timing if there's another vote cast) or another poster votes. SUDDEN DEATH, first vote wins!

[Owly]

Hmm, would happily break the tie but am struggling to confidentally say one is better. Depends a lot on team context. Lucas is a lot better by the boxscore, DeBusschere has a much better defensive rep. I tend to lean on adjusting the former based on the latter. DeBusschere was on some bad teams when he was one of the top 2 players early in his career (but did clearly improve the Knicks), Lucas as I recall has some horrible WoWY numbers. Hmm.

[SactoKingsFan]

Jerry Lucas is a deserving candidate but I'll go with Dave DeBusschere in the run-off. Very good/great defender with good longevity. In addition to being a great defender, DeBusschere could do a bit of everything and was an intense player with excellent intangibles and high bball IQ.

[Doctor MJ]

Vote: Dave DeBusschere

To be honest, I'm just pretty down on Lucas at this point. Years back I used to champion in projects like this, and I'd be critical of Oscar Robertson. As we get more information though Lucas seems like a guy who simply had inflated stats in Cincy. And while i think Lucas did good things on the Knicks, well, DeBuss did better things, and in general to me he's guy who always found a way to provide value to his team.