What separates Giannis from Bruno Caboclo?

[Inigo Montoya]

A cool nickname.

[Def Swami]

IQ, skill, athleticism, intangibles.

[Potential]

Honestly trying to figure out what separates me from Kevin Durant. Same body type and shot form.

[ropjhk]

Honestly trying to figure out what separates me from Kevin Durant. Same body type and shot form.

If you actually have a Kevin Durant type body you should be able to at least get drafted if you pursued basketball.

[LeeBlaze]

Not all physically gifted human beings will translate into athletes. From what I've seen the past several years is a huge lack of BBall IQ. I'm not saying the players are stupid, but they lack serious BBall IQ. Talent / potential may get you drafted, but skills, IQ, work ethic keeps you in the league.

Giannis came into the league with tons of potential, but it's the BBall IQ, work ethic and wanting to be better, that separates him from Bruno (whom I actually had to look up cause I haven't seen that name mentioned in a long time)

[yassillio]

Joined: Dec 31, 2005
Come on fam, you making us Raptor fans look silly

[Kabookalu]

I wish this was a legit question.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

This is one of the best player comparisons I've seen on RealGM.

Instant classic.

[Kabookalu]

Caboclo has plenty of work ethic himself. He just lacks any sort of basketball pedigree. Some players who started playing basketball late can make it work like Hakeem, but then there are 10 others who have failed too, and unfortunately Bruno is one of them.

[The_Hater]

Caboclo has plenty of work ethic himself. He just lacks any sort of basketball pedigree. Some players who started playing basketball late can make it work like Hakeem, but then there are 10 others who have failed too, and unfortunately Bruno is one of them.

If I had to put it down to one specific problem with Bruno it's basketball IQ. He didn't play much growing up so he was behind to start with ans his natural instincts aren't good either. And since drafted he's been painfully slow picking the game up during his 3 seasons. ive been skeptical all along but it's basically hopeless at this point.

[SlowPaced]

Cut the OP some slack. The question is actually interesting, he just worded it weirdly. "How did Giannis create so much seperation from Caboclo" would be better. It's not like he's actually comparing the two's current states. They did come from similar backgrounds, virtually unknown for most of the year, came from lower international leagues, both were physical phenoms.

The biggest differences are basketball IQ and feel for the game I reckon. Giannis has an immense feel for the game that's been with him since the beginning. Caboclo sadly lacks any semblance of a feel for the game, he looks like he doesn't know what he's doing. The difference between basketball IQs shows quite heavily as well.

They don't really have that much in common in terms of athleticism. People have a tendency to confuse size advantage with athleticism advantage. Bruno is in the same stratosphere as Giannis in terms of physical attributes, but sadly not in the realms of athleticism. Giannis is probably twice as quick as Bruno despite being two inches taller and having a more muscular build.

[Kabookalu]

Cut the OP some slack. The question is actually interesting, he just worded it weirdly. "How did Giannis create so much seperation from Caboclo" would be better. It's not like he's actually comparing the two's current states. They did come from similar backgrounds, virtually unknown for most of the year, came from lower international leagues, both were physical phenoms.

Good point. Phrased in that way the question becomes a legitimate discussion.

What I think is the real difference maker is that Giannis played basketball at a younger age than Bruno. Bruno only started playing when he was 13. That's already a late age for anyone to start basketball, and on top of it all he didn't receive any sort of proper basketball training since. All the training he's had prior to being drafted is watching Kevin Durant videos on YouTube. With Giannis I think he started playing when he was 10 or 11. Only a 2 or 3 year difference, but at that age, it makes all the difference.

Athletically wise I think Caboclo could have been similar to Giannis if he grew up in a different environment. Bruno is a lot more athletic than he shows. There are times where he's exploded to the rim and rose up for a nice above the rim play. He holds back a lot because he's so inexperienced he's still going through that phase where he's going through the motions and not sure if what he's doing is right. He's 6'9 but he actually moves his feet on defense better than DeRozan (which may not exactly be high praise).

Also what I imagined help was their style of games. Giannis wanted to be a point guard, Bruno wanted to be a shooter. With Giannis he improved his handles, footwork, and it helped further along his athleticism. With Bruno being a shooter, it didn't help him that much in understanding how to use his athleticism to its fullest potential. And I'm not saying this is a general thing, only unique to these two given their backgrounds growing up.

It's not too late for Bruno, but I've already given up on him. He was just far too behind in his development to make it work. I appreciate that we tried though.

[Colbinii]

What separates me from Steve Nash? Both of us are white, played soccer, are smart, similar height/weight, played multiple sports, and I am from Minnesota while he is from Canada, Eh.

On a more serious note, work ethic, ability to use the athleticism you were born with, bbiq, and mindset.

[RightToCensor]

skill

[clyde21]

Bruno Caboclo? Caboclo? Some names aren't meant for greatness.

Agreed. It's gotta be it.

I mean, MJ wouldn't haven't been the GOAT had he been named Todd Smith or something.

No offense to any Todd Smiths in here. I'm sure ya'll fine accountants.

[phanman]

Opportunity? Giannis was thrown into the fire and given big minutes from the start, the other didn't even have d-league to play in.

Also Giannis has a bigger passion for the game and the willingness to improve and get better. Bruno just looks like a dude that feels blessed to have been drafted into the league and is happy that he is a multi millionaire

Not to shabby in regards to getting drafted in the first round of the NBA despite having no NBA skills, all based off his potential and length.

[Kabookalu]

Also Giannis has a bigger passion for the game and the willingness to improve and get better. Bruno just looks like a dude that feels blessed to have been drafted into the league and is happy that he is a multi millionaire

That's not true at all. All the assistant coaches say that his work ethic rivals that of DeRozan's.

[BasketballFan7]

Caboclo needs to set his goal as Marvin Williams. He isn't the athlete people assumed he would be, but you can make a lot of money if you have size, can shoot, and play smart/versatile defense.

[Jiminy Glick]

Giannis is more explosive, faster, has quicker feet, and is stronger. These traits aid in his defense, rebounding, and scoring. Also Giannis is a better passer and was known for his passing even when he played in Europe and is also a better ballhandler.

[Hawk]

What the heck are those arms