TJ McConnel is going to be an All Star someday

[Tecmo]

Should the thread title read: "Is TJ McConnel is the upper half of NBA PGs"? Because right now he doesn't belong in much conversation in the guard all-star talk. He might not even be a top 20 guy at the position. Come on now, an all-star? The position has a ton of loaded stars. Hell, Lillard isn't an all-star and the dude is a star. Look at all the young talent, at guard, in the NBA who has to compete w/ the star-studded NBA guard cast that's already out there. TJ just can't compare to the current all-stars or up and coming talent.

Edit: Spelling error.

[Rapcity_11]

Going to ignore the games prior to that when Embiid did play and the offense was horrible?

Why would I ignore that? TJ was still playing 20 MPG. Plenty of minutes to make an impact.

It's not complicated...The Sixers win because of their elite defense and Embiid gets credit for dragging their offense from awful to just mediocre. It has nothing to do with TJ or Sergio or anyone else.

See my post above. The offense was still awful for the first 2 plus months. It jumped about 7 points per 100 when McConnell got to start.

Yes - thanks to Embiid (and Covington finding his stroke). TJ has nothing to do with it.

[bondom34]

Why would I ignore that? TJ was still playing 20 MPG. Plenty of minutes to make an impact.

It's not complicated...The Sixers win because of their elite defense and Embiid gets credit for dragging their offense from awful to just mediocre. It has nothing to do with TJ or Sergio or anyone else.

See my post above. The offense was still awful for the first 2 plus months. It jumped about 7 points per 100 when McConnell got to start.

Yes - thanks to Embiid (and Covington finding his stroke). TJ has nothing to do with it.

So Embiid's terrible O rating in those games isn't relevant either?

[Rapcity_11]

See my post above. The offense was still awful for the first 2 plus months. It jumped about 7 points per 100 when McConnell got to start.

Yes - thanks to Embiid (and Covington finding his stroke). TJ has nothing to do with it.

So Embiid's terrible O rating in those games isn't relevant either?

He's gotten better as the season has progressed. As most rookies do.

Also, his on court Ortg was 104.2 in December.

[bondom34]

Yes - thanks to Embiid (and Covington finding his stroke). TJ has nothing to do with it.

So Embiid's terrible O rating in those games isn't relevant either?

He's gotten better as the season has progressed. As most rookies do.

Also, his on court Ortg was 104.2 in December.

And McConnell hasn't? It isn't at all strange the O rating jumped 7 points since he started. And is much better with him on court.

I'm not agreeing w/ OP here, but TJ absolutely has been helpful and a big reason.

[Rapcity_11]

So Embiid's terrible O rating in those games isn't relevant either?

He's gotten better as the season has progressed. As most rookies do.

Also, his on court Ortg was 104.2 in December.

And McConnell hasn't? It isn't at all strange the O rating jumped 7 points since he started. And is much better with him on court.

I'm not agreeing w/ OP here, but TJ absolutely has been helpful and a big reason.

No, it's not strange. Embiid is amazing. Covington started hitting shots. The offense is still bad. TJ is totally mediocre.

[bondom34]

He's gotten better as the season has progressed. As most rookies do.

Also, his on court Ortg was 104.2 in December.

And McConnell hasn't? It isn't at all strange the O rating jumped 7 points since he started. And is much better with him on court.

I'm not agreeing w/ OP here, but TJ absolutely has been helpful and a big reason.

No, it's not strange. Embiid is amazing. Covington started hitting shots. The offense is still bad. TJ is totally mediocre.

I don't disagree. But that still makes him 20X better than any of Philly's other PGs, which is why the improvement.

[Rapcity_11]

And McConnell hasn't? It isn't at all strange the O rating jumped 7 points since he started. And is much better with him on court.

I'm not agreeing w/ OP here, but TJ absolutely has been helpful and a big reason.

No, it's not strange. Embiid is amazing. Covington started hitting shots. The offense is still bad. TJ is totally mediocre.

I don't disagree. But that still makes him 20X better than any of Philly's other PGs, which is why the improvement.

Not exactly a high bar to clear. So even if you want to say TJ is part of the slight offensive turnaround...if he is a mediocre PG then who really cares?

[bondom34]

No, it's not strange. Embiid is amazing. Covington started hitting shots. The offense is still bad. TJ is totally mediocre.

I don't disagree. But that still makes him 20X better than any of Philly's other PGs, which is why the improvement.

Not exactly a high bar to clear. So even if you want to say TJ is part of the slight offensive turnaround...if he is a mediocre PG then who really cares?

Because that was what the other poster was contending.

[Rapcity_11]

I don't disagree. But that still makes him 20X better than any of Philly's other PGs, which is why the improvement.

Not exactly a high bar to clear. So even if you want to say TJ is part of the slight offensive turnaround...if he is a mediocre PG then who really cares?

Because that was what the other poster was contending.

What exactly was the point of all your posts is you agree TJ is highly medicore?

[JLei]

I'm going to bet that T.J. McConnell will not be in the NBA after 2 years.

This is as off the mark as what OP suggested. T.J. certainly belongs in the league as a solid backup.

Eh I'd take his side of the bet rather than the OPs.

While also recognizing that McConnell is a fine backup/ 3rd stringer in the NBA.

[kingofthecourt67]

I think it's pretty obvious that TJ is riding the wave of Sixers success while having almost nothing to do with it.

This is just blatantly false, and proves you haven't watched the Sixers lately. He's been one of the main reasons we've been winning so much besides Embiid.

You can see a clear drop-off in the team's play when Sergio Rodriguez comes in to sub. TJ's been playing really well, consistent all-around defense while playing within his athletic means and finding open teammates when applicable. Can't really ask much more from an undrafted, athletically-limited PG. The Sixers are a better team with him as the starting PG, playing majority of the minutes.

The only thing this proves is Sixers fans have no idea why they're winning games.

Back off buddy. We've been watching this team evolve over the last 4 years when nobody else was and don't need some outsider coming in to tell us how to analyze our team.

Yes our offense isn't great but it doesn't take a genius to notice how much smoother it is when he is in the game. His defense and offense are a significant improvement over Sergio's, so it's not that hard to conclude he is contributing to us winning.

And no I don't think he will ever be an all-star but he will be a fine second string point guard.

[Rapcity_11]

This is just blatantly false, and proves you haven't watched the Sixers lately. He's been one of the main reasons we've been winning so much besides Embiid.

You can see a clear drop-off in the team's play when Sergio Rodriguez comes in to sub. TJ's been playing really well, consistent all-around defense while playing within his athletic means and finding open teammates when applicable. Can't really ask much more from an undrafted, athletically-limited PG. The Sixers are a better team with him as the starting PG, playing majority of the minutes.

The only thing this proves is Sixers fans have no idea why they're winning games.

Back off buddy. We've been watching this team evolve over the last 4 years when nobody else was and don't need some outsider coming in to tell us how to analyze our team.

Yes our offense isn't great but it doesn't take a genius to notice how much smoother it is when he is in the game. His defense and offense are a significant improvement over Sergio's, so it's not that hard to conclude he is contributing to us winning.

And no I don't think he will ever be an all-star but he will be a fine second string point guard.

That 30th ranked (read: last) offense over the past 14 games sure is smooth.

[kingofthecourt67]

The only thing this proves is Sixers fans have no idea why they're winning games.

Back off buddy. We've been watching this team evolve over the last 4 years when nobody else was and don't need some outsider coming in to tell us how to analyze our team.

Yes our offense isn't great but it doesn't take a genius to notice how much smoother it is when he is in the game. His defense and offense are a significant improvement over Sergio's, so it's not that hard to conclude he is contributing to us winning.

And no I don't think he will ever be an all-star but he will be a fine second string point guard.

That 30th ranked (read: last) offense over the past 14 games sure is smooth.

You continue to fail to understand the concept of relativity.

[bondom34]

Not exactly a high bar to clear. So even if you want to say TJ is part of the slight offensive turnaround...if he is a mediocre PG then who really cares?

Because that was what the other poster was contending.

What exactly was the point of all your posts is you agree TJ is highly medicore?

Because I never said otherwise.

You're contending he's not helping the Sixers. I'm contending he is.

[Rapcity_11]

Back off buddy. We've been watching this team evolve over the last 4 years when nobody else was and don't need some outsider coming in to tell us how to analyze our team.

Yes our offense isn't great but it doesn't take a genius to notice how much smoother it is when he is in the game. His defense and offense are a significant improvement over Sergio's, so it's not that hard to conclude he is contributing to us winning.

And no I don't think he will ever be an all-star but he will be a fine second string point guard.

That 30th ranked (read: last) offense over the past 14 games sure is smooth.

You continue to fail to understand the concept of relativity.

The Sixers Ortg was #25 in December. I understand relativity just fine.

[MEGAQUIB]

I would put my money on out of the league in 2 years over him ever being an all star

[kingofthecourt67]

That 30th ranked (read: last) offense over the past 14 games sure is smooth.

You continue to fail to understand the concept of relativity.

The Sixers Ortg was #25 in December. I understand relativity just fine.

That #25 rating in December is only about 1 point higher than the #30 rating in January. Go take a look at our December schedule vs the January schedule and you will notice a difference in the strength of schedule we faced. Also I am unsure why you only picked the month of December and failed to ignore November (4 points lower than our January rating). Anyway, by looking only at team stats, you are introducing so many different variables, it's a little difficult to point to one thing and claim it to be 100% causative.

Also, I don't know why you are ignoring the On/Off court ratings as another poster has trying to reason with you, and I don't know why you are completely ignoring defense.

[Rapcity_11]

You continue to fail to understand the concept of relativity.

The Sixers Ortg was #25 in December. I understand relativity just fine.

That #25 rating in December is only about 1 point higher than the #30 rating in January. Go take a look at our December schedule vs the January schedule and you will notice a difference in the strength of schedule we faced. Also I am unsure why you only picked the month of December and failed to ignore November (4 points lower than our January rating). Anyway, by looking only at team stats, you are introducing so many different variables, it's a little difficult to point to one thing and claim it to be 100% causative.

Also, I don't know why you are ignoring the On/Off court ratings as another poster has trying to reason with you, and I don't know why you are completely ignoring defense.

All signs point to TJ being highly mediocre and having minimal impact on the Sixers. I'm sorry, that's just how it is.

[90sgoat]

The problem with being ahead of the curve, people always forget the idiotic things they said.

TJ is going to be a starter for many years to come. All Star might be pushing it.

What will you do in 2-3 years when exposed as clueless? I will try to remember to bump it.

Anyway, TJ is very good and the Cavs also want him. He averages almost 10apg and almost 5rpg with good defense. That is really good. Do I need to remind you of what a young Jason Kidd looked like? TJ is a point guard of the Stockton, Kidd, Rondo, Rubio, which most modern fans simply do not know how to value.

Kidd's third season was 10-9-5 on 40%, 4th season 11-9-6. Look how that turned out.

This is the problem when you don't know what you're watching. TJ falls low on the scale because he is a true pass first guard, so he doesn't pass some of the more easily digestible stats, but as Bondom understands, he already makes an impact in the on/off.

I'll try to remember to bump this thread.