Where Are We On John Wall?

picc · Post #21 » by **picc** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:05 pm

So how far does the pendulum swing on Wall vs Lowry if things even remotely stay the same as they have through 2 days of games?

Colbinii · Post #22 » by **Colbinii** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:25 pm

picc wrote:So how far does the pendulum swing on Wall vs Lowry if things even remotely stay the same as they have through 2 days of games?

He already has surpassed him during the regular season. If the first game is any indication of things to come Wall could be getting looks as a top 7 or 8 player this season.

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RightToCensor · Post #23 » by **RightToCensor** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:30 pm

picc wrote:So how far does the pendulum swing on Wall vs Lowry if things even remotely stay the same as they have through 2 days of games?

Majority of people in the recent "Top 20 Current Players" thread, viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1550758 , had Wall over Lowry. The gap could get bigger if Lowry continues his poor playoff performances; he'll definitely fall out some Top 20 lists.

picc · Post #24 » by **picc** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:08 pm

That's good to see, but for some reason I'm still not satisfied.

lorak · Post #25 » by **lorak** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:54 pm

People shouldn't judge Wall based on what he is doing vs lottery level team: Hawks are -1,8 pts diff since February 1st (or -1,7 since ASW).

DoubleO8 · Post #26 » by **DoubleO8** » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:09 pm

Wall is clearly better than than Lowry been saying that all year. He's right on the cusp of superstardom to me. To me he's only missing more variety in his half court attack

picc · Post #27 » by **picc** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:52 am

Wall totally dominating the Hawks so far. You dont have to talk about him... but I will.

DoubleO8 · Post #28 » by **DoubleO8** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:08 am

Lets go ahead and add him to the list of superstars

RSCD3_ · Post #29 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:26 am

Wall and Beal on the floor has had a 115.9 ORTG (+7.6 offense) this year.

They reqlly are hitting their groove, imagine if they could grab a very good defensive center

They get one of those (easier said than done) and I think theyd be even or slightly favored vs the cavs

GSP · Post #30 » by **GSP** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:02 am

lorak wrote:People shouldn't judge Wall based on what he is doing vs lottery level team: Hawks are -1,8 pts diff since February 1st (or -1,7 since ASW).

Theyre still one of the best defensive teams in the league tho

Post #31 » by **Prez** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 5:48 am

GSP wrote:
lorak wrote:People shouldn't judge Wall based on what he is doing vs lottery level team: Hawks are -1,8 pts diff since February 1st (or -1,7 since ASW).

Theyre still one of the best defensive teams in the league tho

Yep. Top 3 defense in the span he mentioned (since Feb 1st).

lorak · Post #32 » by **lorak** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:30 am

Prez wrote:
GSP wrote:
lorak wrote:People shouldn't judge Wall based on what he is doing vs lottery level team: Hawks are -1,8 pts diff since February 1st (or -1,7 since ASW).

Theyre still one of the best defensive teams in the league tho

Yep. Top 3 defense in the span he mentioned (since Feb 1st).

Are you sure? nbawowy says their drtg was 110.1, so very bad. I hope you are not using nba.com numbers, because their possessions based stats can't be trusted.

Post #33 » by **bondom34** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:46 am

lorak wrote:
Prez wrote:
GSP wrote:
Theyre still one of the best defensive teams in the league tho

Yep. Top 3 defense in the span he mentioned (since Feb 1st).

Are you sure? nbawowy says their drtg was 110.1, so very bad. I hope you are not using nba.com numbers, because their possessions based stats can't be trusted.

BBR has them at 106.7 since February 1.

lorak · Post #34 » by **lorak** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:55 am

bondom34 wrote:
lorak wrote:
Prez wrote:Yep. Top 3 defense in the span he mentioned (since Feb 1st).

Are you sure? nbawowy says their drtg was 110.1, so very bad. I hope you are not using nba.com numbers, because their possessions based stats can't be trusted.

BBR has them at 106.7 since February 1.

That's definitely not top 3 defense, besides in comparison to nbawowy b-r's data is less accurate (especially from team logs: for example on main team page, or '17 NBA, Hawks have 105.8 drtg, but if we would use team log to see full season drtg, then it would be 106.4. I'm not sure, but probably team log data is based on box scores and they don't have team REB and team TOV).

ardee · Post #35 » by **ardee** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:31 am

Worth noting that only Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson and Chris Paul ever put up the raw numbers he did in the RS. I really, really liked him this year, have him flip flopping with Curry for the 5th spot on my POY list. An ECF run with big performances could solidify it.

RSCD3_ · Post #36 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:42 pm

ardee wrote:Worth noting that only Magic Johnson, Oscar Robertson and Chris Paul ever put up the raw numbers he did in the RS. I really, really liked him this year, have him flip flopping with Curry for the 5th spot on my POY list. An ECF run with big performances could solidify it.

Curry now only at 29/5.0/5.5 on 56.2 TS% vs a weaker defensive team with less offensive support so Wall definitely has the playoff edge so far.

Curry's shot seems like it swung really high one year and then dipped the other, but every single time I watch him it seems he starts of 2-9 or 1-6, guy has been flat in 1st quarters all year it seems

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picc · Post #37 » by **picc** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:37 am

Johnny Dub continues to dominate. Through three games, 31/10/4/1/1 on 67%TS and 74% from three (only 7 attempts so far though).

homecourtloss · Post #38 » by **homecourtloss** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:59 am

Doctor MJ wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:All time? I think he's about as good as Kevin johnson was in his time. One of the better point guards in the league, All-NBA level, but not an all timer.

He's below the Kidd/Billups/Payton tier for me, and well below the Nash/Paul tier. Probably out of the top ten All time PG peaks, although he may have a decent argument over someone like Frazier based on his explosive scoring.

I had the KJ thought as well, but the thing is, I feel like KJ is in the same tier as that first trio you mentioned, he just lacks the longevity.

It's crazy to me to think about what that means for Wall in the long-term. For a #1 pick who became this good, its crazy how much of an afterthought he is. It's just a really deep time in the history of the league right now where a player can be THIS good and yet still not seem like a Top 5 level player.

THIS. I was just talking about this with my brother (we're both in our late 30s). Players who had seasons like what Kemba or Wall or Lowry or IT (offensively) in years' past would have so much more press.

Post #39 » by **penbeast0** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 3:35 am

RSCD3_ wrote:Wall and Beal on the floor has had a 115.9 ORTG (+7.6 offense) this year.

They reqlly are hitting their groove, imagine if they could grab a very good defensive center

They get one of those (easier said than done) and I think theyd be even or slightly favored vs the cavs

Healthy Mahinmi, that was the plan. But Wall/Gortat does a really nice job on the pick and roll.

GeneralManager · Post #40 » by **GeneralManager** » Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:35 am

Superstar level right now