RealGM 2020 Top 100 Project: #33 (Elgin Baylor)

[trex_8063]

For someone like Gervin, WOWY are almost meaningless to me. George didn't miss any significant number of games in his career and random 2-3 games per season don't tell us much about player's impact.

Good point.

It's true that Barry's a bit of an outlier among the candidates left on the table (Drexler too, actually; and to a lesser degree Gary Payton and Artis Gilmore). However, it's a noisy metric [as well as one I've had some issues with in terms of the methodology Ben used]. So.....grain of salt and all.

otoh, Gervin is very much in the same basic neighborhood by this metric as Baylor, Havlicek, Kidd, and Miller (as well as Isiah Thomas [more or less]: Isiah has a pretty high prime WOWYR, but a nearly neutral career WOWYR......one of the more polarized results to be seen in the metric, actually).
So it's certainly not something that puts Gervin out of contention.

[Clyde Frazier]

Vote 1 - Rick Barry
Vote 2 - John Havlicek
Vote 3 - Clyde Drexler

Barry's 75 title run is just really impressive culminating in a sweep of the 60 win #1 ranked SRS bullets. Going up against Unseld, Hayes, Chenier and Porter was a very formidable opponent. He put up 29.5 PPG, 4 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 SPG, .8 BPG on 44.4% FG and 93.8% FT (8 FTAs per game) in the series.

It's tough to parse out what he did in the ABA as it was in its early years and clearly weaker. That said he really did dominate the competition. In 68-69 for the oakland oaks he had a crazy +11.4 rTS, albeit in 35 games. He did follow that up with a +7.6 rTS in 69-70 on a relatively high volume 27.7 PPG on 58.2% TS.

Speaking of effiency it's where I give him the edge over havlicek, with havlicek even proving to be inefficient for his era. I do think there's something to attributing that partially to the celtics' style of play. That said, havlicek's versatility edge over barry may be overstated as I'd consider barry more versatile than given credit for, especially as a playmaker. Longevity is just so so by my standards, but i've already voted in guys with similar longevity. I think he's accomplished enough overall for this range.

[trex_8063]

Thru post #22:

Elgin Baylor - 3 (Dr Positivity, Hal14, penbeast0)
John Havlicek - 2 (Cavsfansince84, DQuinn1575)
Kawhi Leonard - 1 (Dutchball97)
Reggie Miller - 1 (Doctor MJ)
Jason Kidd - 1 (trex_8063)
Rick Barry - 1 (Clyde Frazier)


Just 9 votes, so five required for majority. We'll eliminate all of the bottom four, which transfers two each to Baylor and Havlicek....

Baylor - 5
Havlicek - 4

So Baylor takes this one. Have the next up in a jiffy.....

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[Magic Is Magic]

I was too late, I will respond on the next one. Damn.