2021-22 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#21 » by Doctor MJ » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:18 pm

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Maybe you have access to some credible reporting I don't? I understand the perception is Luka cleaned house in Dallas this year. And I can't say for certain that isn't true. But we do know pretty credibly reported that Dallas did not want Carlisle to leave--that it was a Rick Carlisle decision. Rick made that clear in his statements and the team backed him publicly on that.

Could be spin, I'm not naive about that, but I tend to believe it. And I don't see any reason Luka wanted Donnie out. He and Donnie had a good relationship going back to when he was 13 and Donnie is the guy who engineered Luka to Dallas and was his biggest champion.

And they didn't dump KP at a loss(they couldn't move him for value obviously) when it appeared Luka didn't want to play with him.

I expect Luka's infliuence in Dallas to grow just like Dirk's did. And more quickly just because they always felt good about Dirk's loyalty in a way they shouldn't with Luka. I just don't know that I'm prepared to concede to a narrative that he's already running the team. Kidd definitely comes across as a Mark Cuban decision way more than a Luka decision. Luka doesn't want to play the old school basketball that Kidd keeps talking about in all his public comments.


That said, I don't love that he couldn't get along with Rick either. Or that Cuban allowed Harlabob to have the appearance of having more power than Rick--which seemed to be at a root of a lot of Luka's frustration with the coaching staff.

No doubt this off-season sucked for Dallas and maybe it's all Luka, but I think its much more about Mark Cuban's ego than Luka's determination to call the shots.


So Chuck I'll say up front that I put a lot of stock in your thoughts here. Respect your opinion in general, and this is Dallas we're talking about.

But yeah, the stuff I've heard (none of it first hand), is that Luka was able to effectively berate Carlisle and Carlisle didn't feel he could do anything about it. I don't like any player acting like that, and while I tend to cut more slack to super-intelligent players when it comes to wanting coaches fired, if you're acting out in front of the other players, to me you're behaving in a way that's not wise. So that's my impression of Luka right now.

Re: Mavs haven't just been giving Luka whatever he wants. That's true, but it's hard to imagine Kidd was hired with the message "You're our franchise, and if you need to kick Luka's ass, do it!" Hence, I'd guess they're hoping that Kidd & Luka will just be able to bond together around their super-high-on-court BBIQ and this will make Luka be happy and act like a positive leader.

Re: Donnie? I certainly hope Luka hadn't soured on Donnie, so yeah, to me the cleaning house speaks more to a natural cascade that followed the original change rather than just caving to Luka.

Re: In the end, it's all about Cuban. No doubt, and I used to be a lot more positive about that.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#22 » by Texas Chuck » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:47 pm

yeah he definitely yelled at Rick some--there is video of some of it. As far as Rick firing back I don't know for sure. Rick isn't one to bite his tongue, but just as obviously he always knew that if it ever became Rick or Luka he was going to lose something that had never been true before(Dirk is just different and wasn't ever going to be an issue). So I'm sure Rick held back at least some of the time.

And no doubt Luka is the clearcut leader of the team and has to be better about controlling his emotions in all aspects, dealing with team personnel, dealing with refs, less scuffles with opposition, etc.

And yeah I used to see Cuban as a flawed, but overwhelmingly positive piece to the Mavericks puzzle. Right now he feels very Jerry Jonesish in that he's now governed the team for over 2 decades, always been in the room for basketball decisions, and it appears clear he now views himself as a basketball expert. He always seemed to be a guy who thought he was the smartest guy in the room, but by that same token a guy who hired really smart people and gave them a ton of latitude to do their job and didn't go for high turnover. But man in the light of this off-season, he seemed to want to send a clear signal that there is one man running the Mavericks and it is him.

And that is not a good thing.
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Post#23 » by Goudelock » Thu Oct 14, 2021 2:44 am

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If he's now an average jumpshooter who can confidently knock down a 17-footer with semi-regularity, it's over.

I know it's just one preseason game, but his shot does looks faster now.
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Post#24 » by falcolombardi » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:39 am

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If he's now an average jumpshooter who can confidently knock down a 17-footer with semi-regularity, it's over.

I know it's just one preseason game, but his shot does looks faster now.

i feel like his little jumper in like 10-12 feet range has been coming along very well although i dont know the actual stats (nor can find them) if he can hit those little fadeaways at a good clip consisntently his half court game would come along so well
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#25 » by eminence » Thu Oct 14, 2021 3:55 am

This one will totally be the season of the Jazz, let's go boys.

Hope Conley has the juice for one more go, has looked pretty slow in the preseason. Everybody else has looked pretty decent I think, team looks like it could be a bit deeper than in past seasons, especially if Gay can give them anything when he comes back.
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Post#26 » by falcolombardi » Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:40 am

kyrie has gone to social media and said he is really serious about this thingh

this is gonna be aweird season (we could be talking about kyrie all season long if the saga doesnt resolve)
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Post#27 » by MisterHibachi » Thu Oct 14, 2021 4:58 pm

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How is he in worse shape 2 years into working with NBA trainers than he was coming into the league
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Post#28 » by Goudelock » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:27 pm

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How is he in worse shape 2 years into working with NBA trainers than he was coming into the league


FWIW it looks like the 2019 picture has much different (and better) lighting than the 2021 picture. That might affect how overweight Williamson looks in the more recent picture.
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Post#29 » by parsnips33 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:56 pm

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How is he in worse shape 2 years into working with NBA trainers than he was coming into the league


FWIW it looks like the 2019 picture has much different (and better) lighting than the 2021 picture. That might affect how overweight Williamson looks in the more recent picture.


Yeah he got the supermodel lighting in the second photo, doubt the difference is as pronounced as it looks
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Post#30 » by The High Cyde » Fri Oct 15, 2021 3:43 pm

He needs to lose close to 20 pounds or more, that’s significant in a player as young as Zion, and it’s compounded by his play style and body type. Pelicans need to cut his playing time until he’s serious about being a professional athlete in this sport.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#31 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Oct 15, 2021 4:15 pm

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If he's now an average jumpshooter who can confidently knock down a 17-footer with semi-regularity, it's over.

I know it's just one preseason game, but his shot does looks faster now.


I haven't had a chance to go back and watch some playoff footage, but he looks like he has next to no hitch! That'd be a crazy turnaround time to improve his jumper like that. But yeah.. we need to get a nice regular season sample size at least.
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Post#32 » by Goudelock » Fri Oct 15, 2021 8:41 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:I haven't had a chance to go back and watch some playoff footage, but he looks like he has next to no hitch! That'd be a crazy turnaround time to improve his jumper like that. But yeah.. we need to get a nice regular season sample size at least.


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This is just a screenshot, but combined with the video I saw from the Jazz game, it looks like Antetokounmpo altered his footwork on his jumper. He's not squeezing his legs together so that's making the shot smoother.

Totally agree that we need a nice regular season sample size before I can claim he's fixed his jumper, but there's encouraging signs.
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#33 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:12 pm

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Clyde Frazier wrote:I haven't had a chance to go back and watch some playoff footage, but he looks like he has next to no hitch! That'd be a crazy turnaround time to improve his jumper like that. But yeah.. we need to get a nice regular season sample size at least.


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This is just a screenshot, but combined with the video I saw from the Jazz game, it looks like Antetokounmpo altered his footwork on his jumper. He's not squeezing his legs together so that's making the shot smoother.

Totally agree that we need a nice regular season sample size before I can claim he's fixed his jumper, but there's encouraging signs.


I mean it's not like it was totally broken anyway. I'd see people claim during the playoffs he just couldn't shoot at all ala simmons, yet he hit plenty of big shots in the short midrange. Just took a look and he shot 49.2% from 10-16 ft in the playoffs (13.4% of his total shot distribution). He wasn't really afraid to pull up from further than that either. But yeah will be interesting to follow.
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Post#34 » by CumberlandPosey » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:19 pm

freak with sweet fluid jumper is scariest moment for the league.looking forward to see it.havent watched any preseason this year (only much euroleague) so when the lights go on tuesday night for a true 82 game season again finally ,im in basketball heaven.for the last 30seasons i have that feeling when the league starts..hope it will always stay with me this way haha.lets goooo !!!
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Re: 2021-22 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#35 » by AussieBuck » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:47 pm

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Clyde Frazier wrote:I haven't had a chance to go back and watch some playoff footage, but he looks like he has next to no hitch! That'd be a crazy turnaround time to improve his jumper like that. But yeah.. we need to get a nice regular season sample size at least.


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This is just a screenshot, but combined with the video I saw from the Jazz game, it looks like Antetokounmpo altered his footwork on his jumper. He's not squeezing his legs together so that's making the shot smoother.

Totally agree that we need a nice regular season sample size before I can claim he's fixed his jumper, but there's encouraging signs.


I mean it's not like it was totally broken anyway. I'd see people claim during the playoffs he just couldn't shoot at all ala simmons, yet he hit plenty of big shots in the short midrange. Just took a look and he shot 49.2% from 10-16 ft in the playoffs (13.4% of his total shot distribution). He wasn't really afraid to pull up from further than that either. But yeah will be interesting to follow.

Yeah that's largely his foul line game he added last season. He looks like he's carried the smooth, high form he developed on the short jumper over to his three ball. It is early though, could be a false dawn. I'm happy enough with the short faceup jumper. It's much harder to send enough timely help when he attacks starting at 15 feet out.
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Post#36 » by Clyde Frazier » Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:24 am

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Ok I need the regular season to start lol
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Post#37 » by Dr Positivity » Sun Oct 17, 2021 7:11 pm

I think Suns not maxing Ayton is the right decision. Offer him a solid 25/year, if he doesn't take it then see what happens.
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Post#38 » by Colbinii » Sun Oct 17, 2021 11:49 pm

Dr Positivity wrote:I think Suns not maxing Ayton is the right decision. Offer him a solid 25/year, if he doesn't take it then see what happens.


I agree 100%.
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Post#39 » by MO12msu » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:34 pm

Sounds like Silver will keep pushing for the in-season tournament. I have no problem with new ideas (I was supportive of the play in) but this one seems to have no upside unless I'm missing something.
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Post#40 » by Fadeaway_J » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:46 pm

MO12msu wrote:Sounds like Silver will keep pushing for the in-season tournament. I have no problem with new ideas (I was supportive of the play in) but this one seems to have no upside unless I'm missing something.

Yeah I don't get it either. They seem to be trying to copy things like the Champions League, but that's in a sport with a long history of cup competitions being a major part of the club game. I can't see where they fit into the NBA where winning the playoffs has been the only ultimate goal since inception.

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