Tim Duncan - diminishing vs flattering career description

[homecourtloss]

- Great player who got drafted into a perfect system that allowed him to stay relevant well after his individual performance started declining. Pretty much the same arguments you see against Russell and Jordan where their succes is attributed to everyone around them instead of themselves because they didn't "prove themselves outside the one system they had success with". Probably most common among LeBron fans hyping up "getting it done in different environments".

Yeah the guy who beat him twice gets disrespected by his fans all the time.

Btw Russell and Duncan both won titles with completely different rosters (same head coach for Duncan though), so sick false equivalence on top of your strawman.

Was just about to post the bolded.

[OhayoKD]

by SRS, the best teams they beat were the 2005 and 2007 suns, themselves a bit of an inflated regular season SRS team because of their style

They also beat the defending champion Pistons who posted a top-10 full-strength rating ever per Ben the previous year.

"inflated because of their style", or inflated because it's convenient for criticising Duncan? It's not like these teams were playing during expansion...

San Antonio and Duncan faced unusually tough playoff competition per stats that would underrate teams of his time period. Not really sure what this is supposed to build up to.

leaving Duncan to only have to not be an a-hole to make things work. Leading by example only goes so far. Not having to be the day-in, day-out vocal leader is a burden off of anyone, especially someone who may not have been up for it.

Citation please.

[Doctor MJ]

Man, Tim Duncan sucks! He's a swimmer who couldn't even find a pool and gave up on the sport just because he was afraid of getting eaten by sharks in the ocean. In the history of the NBA, I doubt there's any other players who gave up on their dream because of underwater predators, because they're tough, and Duncan is soft!

[Colbinii]

"A fake American, you hear me? Fake American!"

[Dutchball97]

Yeah the guy who beat him twice gets disrespected by his fans all the time.

Btw Russell and Duncan both won titles with completely different rosters (same head coach for Duncan though), so sick false equivalence on top of your strawman.

Funny thing is I already knew you were going to reply to this because it included a little jab at LeBron and mentions Jordan in a positive light alongside Russell and Duncan. Never change lil bro.

That'll do. Cut it off there before the eventual flame-war, please.

Don't worry, we're good. AEnigma took this discussion to the OT board, we both got our say in and left it at that.

[AdagioPace]

I think we should do this for every top 10-20 player. Let it all out! it's quite funny as long as it's not too analytical/cerebral

[Colbinii]

Funny thing is I already knew you were going to reply to this because it included a little jab at LeBron and mentions Jordan in a positive light alongside Russell and Duncan. Never change lil bro.

That'll do. Cut it off there before the eventual flame-war, please.

Don't worry, we're good. AEnigma took this discussion to the OT board, we both got our say in and left it at that.

Passing the Dutch around

[Texas Chuck]

I think we should do this for every top 10-20 player. Let it all out! it's quite funny as long as it's not too analytical/cerebral

Oh I like the board mods way too much for this. Duncan has barely any serious champions here and neither 70s nor I rose to the obvious bait poster. Imagine how threads would go about Mike, Kobe, or KG.

[pancakes3]

positive: played perfect basketball.

negative: can't shoot 3's.