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Gotta look at the numbers but I remember Kobe being pretty bad on defense in 2013. I remember that being a talking point

RCM88x wrote:Kind a wild that Kobe was 5th in MVP voting that year, I think Lebron is pretty clearly better this year but I would be shocked if he finishes anywhere near 5th in MVP voting, even 10th would be a surprise the way people talk about him.

Lebron will be lower than Davis in MVP voting. That’s probably why.

I'm curious, OP, why the comparison between 2013 Kobe and 2024 LeBron? Given the 5-year age gap and the fact that it was his 17th season vs LeBron's 21st?

PistolPeteJR wrote:I'm curious, OP, why the comparison between 2013 Kobe and 2024 LeBron? Given the 5-year age gap and the fact that it was his 17th season vs LeBron's 21st?

Why wouldn't you compare them?

Statistically they are similar.

LBJ: 5.4 OBPM, 128.4 TS+, 31.6 FTR, 37% AST%, 14% TOV%
Kobe: 4.7 OBPM, 133.1 TS+, 39.2 FTR, 30% AST%, 13% TOV%

There is no reason to compare LeBron and Kobe at the same age--that isn't a fair comparison.

Colbinii wrote:

PistolPeteJR wrote:I'm curious, OP, why the comparison between 2013 Kobe and 2024 LeBron? Given the 5-year age gap and the fact that it was his 17th season vs LeBron's 21st?

Why wouldn't you compare them?

Statistically they are similar.

LBJ: 5.4 OBPM, 128.4 TS+, 31.6 FTR, 37% AST%, 14% TOV%
Kobe: 4.7 OBPM, 133.1 TS+, 39.2 FTR, 30% AST%, 13% TOV%

There is no reason to compare LeBron and Kobe at the same age--that isn't a fair comparison.

Fair.
Didn’t look at it that way. Just seems like apples and oranges given age, team composition, how the game was vs is played…

PistolPeteJR wrote:I'm curious, OP, why the comparison between 2013 Kobe and 2024 LeBron? Given the 5-year age gap and the fact that it was his 17th season vs LeBron's 21st?

It came up in a completely obscure discussion with a friend (where neither of us felt really strongly on the subject anyways); Am more than aware of these age-based nuances among others - where I also see it as apples vs oranges but an interesting comparison, as Colbinii pointed out.

Fwiw, this thread was much more seriously intentioned than Wade/Shai or LBJ/Stockton.