The LeBron James All-NBA (2nd) and Luka Doncic - 24-25 Thread

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Post#21 » by nzahir » Wed Oct 23, 2024 4:48 am

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Fadeaway_J wrote:AD is outrageous.

This seems like the year where AD clearly becomes our #1

We need this from him to be a contender/peak version of our team

So pissed off at our shooting tonight

I'm not bothered considering they won fairly comfortably despite shooting well below their usual levels.

That is the nice part though

Shot like **** and still won this one

And I think the reffing was outrageously bad against us

Christie looked bad out there, but lets see how he looks after 15-20 games

Knecht looked good

Dlo made some nice passes and decent off ball defense even, but missed a lot of good open 3s...

Reaves missed his 3s, but solid overall

The issue is both guards arent athletic, more shifty on offense and finesse and not physical enough on defense

And Reaves is too up and down of a shooter in general and I dont trust Dlo come playoff time really in the later rounds

Rui looked very good

AD was great

Lebron looked like he was playing at 50-75% speed

Vincent is meh/kinda useless

Hayes had some nice moments, but still need an upgrade there

Feels like the core should be

AD, Bron, Rui, 1 of Reaves/Dlo (likely Reaves due to their play in the playoffs, unless Revaes can net a legit star), Knecht

Everyone else is expendable
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Post#22 » by dcstanley » Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:23 am

nzahir wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:
nzahir wrote:This seems like the year where AD clearly becomes our #1

We need this from him to be a contender/peak version of our team

So pissed off at our shooting tonight

I'm not bothered considering they won fairly comfortably despite shooting well below their usual levels.

That is the nice part though

Shot like **** and still won this one

And I think the reffing was outrageously bad against us

Christie looked bad out there, but lets see how he looks after 15-20 games

Knecht looked good

Dlo made some nice passes and decent off ball defense even, but missed a lot of good open 3s...

Reaves missed his 3s, but solid overall

The issue is both guards arent athletic, more shifty on offense and finesse and not physical enough on defense

And Reaves is too up and down of a shooter in general and I dont trust Dlo come playoff time really in the later rounds

Rui looked very good

AD was great

Lebron looked like he was playing at 50-75% speed

Vincent is meh/kinda useless

Hayes had some nice moments, but still need an upgrade there

Feels like the core should be

AD, Bron, Rui, 1 of Reaves/Dlo (likely Reaves due to their play in the playoffs, unless Revaes can net a legit star), Knecht

Everyone else is expendable

DLO made some nice passes and his IQ helped them get easy shots late but he's just not starting caliber. He's a streaky shooter that is extremely reliant on making tough pull-up shots. He always looks hopeless against athletic physical teams like MIN. Part of me wonders if they should just trade him for an athletic wing with more resilient scoring or simply a 3/D wing and make up for the playmaking gap by playing through AD more and increasing Rui's volume while Lebron and Reaves initiate. Just try to win by being more of a physically imposing team

Something like: Grant/Reath for DLO/Vincent/JHS

Reaves/Grant/Rui/Bron/AD
Max/Knecht/Vando/Hayes/Reath


Sucks Lonzo is such an injury risk. DLO/JHS for Lonzo would be perfect
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Post#23 » by zimpy27 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:36 am

Looks like we are getting lineups of:

16 mins: DLo, Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis
12 mins: Gabe, Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Hayes
8 mins: Dlo, Reaves, Christie, Rui, Davis
8 mins: DLo, Christie, Rui, LeBron, Davis
4 mins: Gabe, DLo, Knecht, Davis, Hayes


36 mins: DLo, Reaves, LeBron, Davis
32 mins: Rui
16 mins: Gabe, Christie, Knecht, Hayes
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Post#24 » by tsherkin » Wed Oct 23, 2024 12:41 pm

nzahir wrote:
Fadeaway_J wrote:AD is outrageous.

This seems like the year where AD clearly becomes our #1


It has been asked of him before but he remains best working off another guy. He could average a higher PPG than Lebron and still not be #1, too, because AD isnt a playmaker.
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Post#25 » by homecourtloss » Wed Oct 23, 2024 1:35 pm

zimpy27 wrote:Looks like we are getting lineups of:

16 mins: DLo, Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis
12 mins: Gabe, Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Hayes
8 mins: Dlo, Reaves, Christie, Rui, Davis
8 mins: DLo, Christie, Rui, LeBron, Davis
4 mins: Gabe, DLo, Knecht, Davis, Hayes


36 mins: DLo, Reaves, LeBron, Davis
32 mins: Rui
16 mins: Gabe, Christie, Knecht, Hayes


In only game, Reddick played better rotations than Ham did in his entire tenure even with the forced Bronny minutes to make history.
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lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
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Post#26 » by zimpy27 » Wed Oct 23, 2024 6:50 pm

homecourtloss wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Looks like we are getting lineups of:

16 mins: DLo, Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis
12 mins: Gabe, Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Hayes
8 mins: Dlo, Reaves, Christie, Rui, Davis
8 mins: DLo, Christie, Rui, LeBron, Davis
4 mins: Gabe, DLo, Knecht, Davis, Hayes


36 mins: DLo, Reaves, LeBron, Davis
32 mins: Rui
16 mins: Gabe, Christie, Knecht, Hayes


In only game, Reddick played better rotations than Ham did in his entire tenure even with the forced Bronny minutes to make history.


Redick is everything I hoped he'd be from what I've seen.
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Post#27 » by PistolPeteJR » Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:55 pm

I laughed at one point when he was on camera apparently angry at his team for something and as he was walking back to his seat bellowed a really aggressive f-bomb lol.

When do yall think Redick gets ejected first?
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Post#28 » by Cavsfansince84 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:34 am

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Redick is everything I hoped he'd be from what I've seen.


I think Redick will be getting talk for being one of the better coaches by the end of the rs. Also helps to have LeBron on a team where they have established chemistry and respect for each other. I think the Lakers are more of a sleeper than people want to admit but not quite contender unless they can get a top 4 seed. I'm over this whole thing of them being expected to win 2-3 series on the road in the playoffs.
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Post#29 » by homecourtloss » Thu Oct 24, 2024 3:03 am

zimpy27 wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:Looks like we are getting lineups of:

16 mins: DLo, Reaves, Rui, LeBron, Davis
12 mins: Gabe, Reaves, Knecht, LeBron, Hayes
8 mins: Dlo, Reaves, Christie, Rui, Davis
8 mins: DLo, Christie, Rui, LeBron, Davis
4 mins: Gabe, DLo, Knecht, Davis, Hayes


36 mins: DLo, Reaves, LeBron, Davis
32 mins: Rui
16 mins: Gabe, Christie, Knecht, Hayes


In only game, Reddick played better rotations than Ham did in his entire tenure even with the forced Bronny minutes to make history.


Redick is everything I hoped he'd be from what I've seen.


They took 10 more shots than the Timberwolves last night – I’m not sure if they took 10 more shots in a game than any opponent last year. They for sure took 10 or 15 fewer every other night. Ham was absolutely terrible.
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.

lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
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Post#30 » by zimpy27 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:17 am

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Redick is everything I hoped he'd be from what I've seen.


I think Redick will be getting talk for being one of the better coaches by the end of the rs. Also helps to have LeBron on a team where they have established chemistry and respect for each other. I think the Lakers are more of a sleeper than people want to admit but not quite contender unless they can get a top 4 seed. I'm over this whole thing of them being expected to win 2-3 series on the road in the playoffs.


Redick is already likely to have a long career in coaching based purely off how he communicates and the attention to detail.
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Post#31 » by zimpy27 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:18 am

homecourtloss wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:
In only game, Reddick played better rotations than Ham did in his entire tenure even with the forced Bronny minutes to make history.


Redick is everything I hoped he'd be from what I've seen.


They took 10 more shots than the Timberwolves last night – I’m not sure if they took 10 more shots in a game than any opponent last year. They for sure took 10 or 15 fewer every other night. Ham was absolutely terrible.


I spent most of my time in here whinging about lost posessions and counting TO and OREB differential.

I'm just glad I don't have to be upset by that every game anymore
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Post#32 » by Homer38 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:16 am

zimpy27 wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
Redick is everything I hoped he'd be from what I've seen.


They took 10 more shots than the Timberwolves last night – I’m not sure if they took 10 more shots in a game than any opponent last year. They for sure took 10 or 15 fewer every other night. Ham was absolutely terrible.


I spent most of my time in here whinging about lost posessions and counting TO and OREB differential.

I'm just glad I don't have to be upset by that every game anymore


Same for the 3PA differential even in game that the lakers were shooting well last year,the lakers were in the bottom in the 3PA
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Post#33 » by homecourtloss » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:45 pm

Homer38 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
homecourtloss wrote:
They took 10 more shots than the Timberwolves last night – I’m not sure if they took 10 more shots in a game than any opponent last year. They for sure took 10 or 15 fewer every other night. Ham was absolutely terrible.


I spent most of my time in here whinging about lost posessions and counting TO and OREB differential.

I'm just glad I don't have to be upset by that every game anymore


Same for the 3PA differential even in game that the lakers were shooting well last year,the lakers were in the bottom in the 3PA


Frankly, it’s a miracle that they won 47 games when they had such a massive field goal attempts differential in every game (-6 per 100, by far the worst in the NBA) top of having a massive three-point attempt differential in every game (-6).
lessthanjake wrote:Kyrie was extremely impactful without LeBron, and basically had zero impact whatsoever if LeBron was on the court.

lessthanjake wrote: By playing in a way that prevents Kyrie from getting much impact, LeBron ensures that controlling for Kyrie has limited effect…
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Post#34 » by Homer38 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:55 pm

homecourtloss wrote:
Homer38 wrote:
zimpy27 wrote:
I spent most of my time in here whinging about lost posessions and counting TO and OREB differential.

I'm just glad I don't have to be upset by that every game anymore


Same for the 3PA differential even in game that the lakers were shooting well last year,the lakers were in the bottom in the 3PA


Frankly, it’s a miracle that they won 47 games when they had such a massive field goal attempts differential in every game (-6 per 100, by far the worst in the NBA) top of having a massive three-point attempt differential in every game (-6).


LeBron was so good in the fourth quarter last year,this is why they won 47 games...he would deserved to have more consideration for the clutch player of the year awards!
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Post#35 » by nzahir » Fri Oct 25, 2024 3:15 am

Thoughts on a trade for Lonzo and Coby White?

Not sure if Chi even moves White

But a 3 teamer maybe with Dlo, Vincent, and JHS. Throwing in a 29 1st and some 2nds/swap?

Do you guys view White as a similar player to Dlo or above/worse?

Other deal is Vincent and Vando for Lonzo

Its more simple, but do you rather have Dlo and Lonzo, but no Vando

or

Lonzo, White, and Vando
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Post#36 » by tsherkin » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:46 pm

Homer38 wrote:Same for the 3PA differential even in game that the lakers were shooting well last year,the lakers were in the bottom in the 3PA


Yeah for a team with a spot-on average O, they weren't really optimizing their chances at all. 28th in 3PA despite being 8th in 3P% was not the way. They actually shot only 30 3PA in the opener, though, and averaged 31.4 last year, so we'll see what happens going forward.
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Post#37 » by Homer38 » Fri Oct 25, 2024 12:53 pm

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Homer38 wrote:Same for the 3PA differential even in game that the lakers were shooting well last year,the lakers were in the bottom in the 3PA


Yeah for a team with a spot-on average O, they weren't really optimizing their chances at all. 28th in 3PA despite being 8th in 3P% was not the way. They actually shot only 30 3PA in the opener, though, and averaged 31.4 last year, so we'll see what happens going forward.


I agree to not shoot many 3s when they have a bad night,but when they are on,they need more attempts!
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Post#38 » by tsherkin » Fri Oct 25, 2024 1:10 pm

Homer38 wrote:I agree to not shoot many 3s when they have a bad night,but when they are on,they need more attempts!


Yeah. As the season unfolds, we'll have a better idea of what they'll look like in that regard. Should prove interesting, given Redick's own remarks.
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Post#39 » by PistolPeteJR » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:28 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Homer38 wrote:Same for the 3PA differential even in game that the lakers were shooting well last year,the lakers were in the bottom in the 3PA


Yeah for a team with a spot-on average O, they weren't really optimizing their chances at all. 28th in 3PA despite being 8th in 3P% was not the way. They actually shot only 30 3PA in the opener, though, and averaged 31.4 last year, so we'll see what happens going forward.


I agree that time will tell.

Off the top of my head from what I recall from memory, they launched quite a few in the 1st and then it decreased quite a bit as they weren’t falling.
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Post#40 » by tsherkin » Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:34 pm

PistolPeteJR wrote:forward.


I agree that time will tell.

Off the top of my head from what I recall from memory, they launched quite a few in the 1st and then it decreased quite a bit as they weren’t falling.[/quote]

I'm cautiously optimistic that they will make more emphasis of the 3 this season, but I'm also onboard if they try to throttle it a little when it's clearly not falling, for sure.

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