No, it was hyperbole at the time
So were his two all-NBA 1st team nominations in just his first 3 seasons also hyperbole?
and statistically untrue beyond that
Third time you've mentioned his statistics. But I believe it's clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
I ask - for the third time - how did he get nominated for all-NBA 1st team twice with the statistics he had, if you do not believe his statistics were extremely good?
But he still didn't exhibit impact anything like Steph had at his peak
Like I said - he was close, as close as any other PG. All-NBA 1st team in two seasons when Orlando went 57-25 and 60-22.
I watched plenty of Penny
Is that a fact.
he was also never as effective in the post as Magic
Go watch the first video above. First 60 seconds. Reggie Miller - who played against both Magic and Penny, and is a TV commentator for the NBA, meaning he watches a ton of basketball - says, quote "...Penny was special... he saw the floor like Magic... I thought he was a better scorer... and maybe post up player than Magic...".
So, who is one to believe, Reggie Miller or you? You say Penny was never - as if there was no doubt - as effective in the post as Magic, and here a former player that played against both says yeh he was, and might have even been better.
Didn't have the same size, wasn't as good at drawing fouls in general
And this statement alone should almost certainly preclude you from ever being taken seriously when it comes to evaluating NBA players.
For someone who says he watched Penny Hardaway play you certainly know little about him.
His two seasons of being named all-NBA 1st team, 1994-95 and 1995-96, he attempted the most FTAs among all PGs, and it wasn't even close. 1043 FTAs, no other PG was within even 200 FTAs of that total over those two seasons.
In 1995-96 he attempted 580 FTAs, in just his 3rd season. Magic did not attempt that many FTAs in a season until his 8th season in the league, and in his 13 seasons in the NBA attempted more than 580 FTAs in a season just twice.
Those 580 FTAs were the 4th most by a PG in a single season in the entire decade of the 1990s (1989-90 to 1998-99).
In 1995-96 alone Penny had 24 games of 10+ FTAs.
"wasn't as good at drawing fouls in general" - oh my lord
you didn't say he was exactly the same
Went back and actually read the thread, did ya?
and certainly not impact on the game
Yes certainly impact on the game, as close as any other PG.
You don't get to shift goalposts here.
Dude you are the one saying I said he was as good or better. I never said that. It is you who are now shifting the goalposts because you actually re-read the thread realizing I had not.
You were trying to suggest Penny was "as close to peak Steph" as other PGs, and it's violently inaccurate.
Violently? Sounds like you have been shaken down to your core. You having shivers?
And I wasn't trying to suggest - I did suggest. Penny's 1995-96 season is as close to peak Curry as any other single season by any other PG.
Players have routinely been proven fallible due to nostalgia, hyperbole
As has the memory of a certain individual who says he watched a player play 3 decades ago but can't remember that he drew a lot of fouls for a PG.
They're no more reliable than any random guy in a bar for commentary on the sport.
But you are?
MVP x2 sort of destroys this angle of conversation.
Correct - it does.
But we are talking about a player who's career was derailed by injury after just his 3rd season in the league. Curry was able to come back from his foot injuries, Penny not from his knee injuries.
he is often oversold pretty badly
What a dumb statement. Often? By whom?
Common conversation about his career
Nice cop-out. You do like making statements as if factual but that clearly are not.
Repeating All-NBA selections isn't useful. Rhetorical technique isn't going to help you here.
Cop-out number two on your part. Explain how a young player all-NBA 1st team 2 of his first 3 seasons in the league was oversold.
But like most whose careers were cut short before we could see their full career arc, he is often oversold pretty badly
Most? Care to expound on this flimsy comment? How about naming some of these "Most" whose careers were cut short that are now oversold? Any of these "Most" you are referring to also named all-NBA 1st team a couple of times?
Or if this just another one of your off-the-cuff comments that in reality has no basis in fact?
As with most of your commentary so far, this isn't relevant.
Cop-out number three. Don't make statements about statistics if you cannot back them up.
Impact required to be All-NBA 1st Team isn't relevant to the level of impact Steph was managing at his peak. This is exceedingly obvious.
You think adjectives like violently and exceedingly give relevance to your fact-less statements? They do not.
All-NBA 1st team nominations are sportswriters/broadcasters - who watch the NBA for a living - opinions as to the very best players in the league.
Tell you what - how about you name all those players that had more impact in the NBA than players that were named to the all-NBA or all-defensive teams. Let' see how far you get.
This isn't a logical projection.
Cop out four. You talk like you understand statistics and when asked about them always deflect.
Steph was one of the highest-impact offensive players in the history of the game of basketball at his peak.
Absolutely.
Penny never approached that.
He certainly did. One of the best PGs the league has ever seen. Too bad we didn't get to see more of him.
End of discussion on that front.
Taking your ball and going home?