Bynum vs Yao

[TooNice00]

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See this is coming from someone who doesn't watch Laker games and has no idea about the true progression of Andrew Bynum.

When the Lakers drafted Bynum he was 17 (youngest player in NBA history), and incredibly raw (only played basketball his last couple of years of high school and was injured his senior year).

His first year he barely played cause he just wasn't ready. He didn't have the conditioning to even play 8 minutes a game. This year was more about him learning the game. However, as a Laker fan I could still see the potential. He had that great move against Shaq (the year they won the title), but that was the only highlight.

His second year he made HUGE strides. His minutes nearly tripled because he was in better shape. His numbers went up across the board, and at the beginning of the season he looked excellent. However, once again his conditioning, although much improved, ended up making him drop a lot in the second half of the season.

This year he has made even BIGGER strides. He is nearly up to 30 minutes a game (will be there by the end of the year), and finally looks like he is in NBA basketball shape. He is putting up 12.8 ppg, 10.1 rpg, 2.1 bpg, 63% FG%. Simply put this year he is dominating. He is still only 20 years old. At this point this year he is already a top 5 center (as a 20 year old), and his number keep getting higher and higher as the team is realizing that he is our second option.

And if you look at him you can see he still has unbelievable room for improvement. He has the frame to put 20-30 lbs of muscle (if not more) on. He has one of the longest wing spans in the league. He absolutely has the potential to be legendary. If you don't see that then you are blind.

sorry but if you think bynum is dominating you are the one who is "blind." its not like being a top 5 center in the league is some big achievement at the moment. i understand bynum is 20 years old but you also have to factor in, he has been in the league 3 years too. no doubt he will probably improve but you can't treat him like a rookie or something. its not like 13/10 is all that spatacular after being in the league three years even at the age of 20. and def doesn't warrant potential legendary status.

[Baller 24]

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Heh, based on what? I just posted stats that PROVE THIS STATEMENT WRONG.

If you don't believe in stats, you can just look at the fact that Bynum is more athletic, has a LONGER wing span, is a better shotblocker, is quicker, faster, can jump higher, etc.

It's clear you have rarely seen Andrew Bynum play.

Currently Yao is a better shot blocker, their averaging close to about the same, but Yao IMO is the better one right now, but Yao hasn't really been known to block shots.....Rebounding wise, right now also their the same, but in the future Id also give that one to Bynum as Yao sometimes simply does not no whats going on and therefore losses rebounds...Offensivly I don't think Bynum will be as good as Yao, he doesn't seem to have the skill down low, I see him turning into more of a Amare or Kenyon Martin (healthy version) then Yao. Yao is also a better passer, and better skilled big man....Athletically Bynum will always have the edge..

[Baller 24]

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Bynum isn't dominating? 12pts and 10 reb. is good, but by far not dominating numbers....There are players like Dally, Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, and even Greg Oden (when hes back) that can put up those numbers. They are impressing and to see how hes progressed is amazing as well, but those numbers are NOT dominating numbers. The current list of centers > Bynum...

Yao
Dwight Howard
Shaq
Camby
Kaman
Curry
Dally

[SDChargers#1]

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Bynum isn't dominating? 12pts and 10 reb. is good, but by far not dominating numbers....There are players like Dally, Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, and even Greg Oden (when hes back) that can put up those numbers. They are impressing and to see how hes progressed is amazing as well, but those numbers are NOT dominating numbers. The current list of centers > Bynum...

Yao
Dwight Howard
Shaq
Camby
Kaman
Curry
Dally

First off he is dominating because he is putting up those numbers in under 30 minutes per game. Let's take a look at his per 48. 21.2 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 3.5 bpg. Of course that is still with him putting up 63% FG%. That is dominating.

Shaq? LOL, is this a joke. Shaq's time has come and gone. In the same amount of mpg Bynum is putting up more rpg, bpg, and apg. He also has higher FG% and FT%. The only advantage Shaq has is he is putting up 1 ppg more than Bynum.

Curry? HAHAHA, this is even more of a joke. In the same amount of mpg Bynum is putting up more rpg (6 more per game), apg (1.3 more per game), bpg (2 more per game). He also has higher FG% and FT%. The only advantage Curry has is he is putting up 1.5 more ppg than Bynum.

Dally? Who is this? I have no idea who you are refering to.

Camby? Yea, I will probably give this to you since he is the defending DPOY, and is having just a good of a year this year defensively (14.5 rpg, and nearly 4 bpg is amazing). But his offense isn't even close to Bynum's (and that is sad considering that Bynum "can only do lay ups and dunks"). It's close, but for the sake of argument I will give it to you.

That leaves...

Yao
Dwight
Kaman (let's see if he can keep it up when Brand comes back)
Camby
Bynum

[SDChargers#1]

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sorry but if you think bynum is dominating you are the one who is "blind." its not like being a top 5 center in the league is some big achievement at the moment. i understand bynum is 20 years old but you also have to factor in, he has been in the league 3 years too. no doubt he will probably improve but you can't treat him like a rookie or something. its not like 13/10 is all that spatacular after being in the league three years even at the age of 20. and def doesn't warrant potential legendary status.

13/10/2 shooting 63% is pretty darn impressive for a 20 year old. And it does warrant potential legendary status for a couple of reasons.

1) He is putting up these numbers in 28 mpg (his per 48 are incredible)
2) You can totally tell that he isn't close to done in his development.
3) He is still only 20 and one of the youngest players in the league.

If by next year he doesn't improve anymore, then you may have a point. But at this point all the raw numbers and data and history points to Bynum having incredibly potential.

[KobeFarmarEra]

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Currently Yao is a better shot blocker, their averaging close to about the same, but Yao IMO is the better one right now, but Yao hasn't really been known to block shots.....Rebounding wise, right now also their the same,

Look dude let me give you some advice: Learn to read statistics before you post. Ok?

Bynum averages MORE BLOCKED SHOTS in LESS MINUTES EACH GAME. Therefore Bynum can be called the better shot blocker.

Bynum also averages more rebounds in less minutes compared to Yao.

Come on man, you keep owning yourself.

[TooNice00]

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Look dude let me give you some advice: Learn to read statistics before you post. Ok?

Bynum averages MORE BLOCKED SHOTS in LESS MINUTES EACH GAME. Therefore Bynum can be called the better shot blocker.

Bynum also averages more rebounds in less minutes compared to Yao.

Come on man, you keep owning yourself.

lol come on. nobody cares about rebounding rates and blocking rates. bynum has better rebounding rates and blocking rates than KG and Duncan but everyone knows they are better defenders.

[TooNice00]

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13/10/2 shooting 63% is pretty darn impressive for a 20 year old. And it does warrant potential legendary status for a couple of reasons.

1) He is putting up these numbers in 28 mpg (his per 48 are incredible)
2) You can totally tell that he isn't close to done in his development.
3) He is still only 20 and one of the youngest players in the league.

If by next year he doesn't improve anymore, then you may have a point. But at this point all the raw numbers and data and history points to Bynum having incredibly potential.

lol keep believeing 13/10 is dominating and warrants legendary potential. and please don't talk about per 48 numbers. everyone knows he couldn't average those numbers even if he tried. he would also average 5+ fouls per game and probably foul out half the time too.

[tha_rock220]

Yao is the only big man who gets minutes on a better defensive team. Who's the better defender again??? Maybe it's Rick Adelman's defensive principles.

[bballcool34]

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First off he is dominating because he is putting up those numbers in under 30 minutes per game. Let's take a look at his per 48. 21.2 ppg, 16.7 rpg, 3.5 bpg. Of course that is still with him putting up 63% FG%. That is dominating.

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There must be a reason he's not even playing 30 minutes per game, no?

A player only makes the impact on the time he is on the floor- why per 48 or even per 40 is essentially a useless stat in this case- if Bynum doesn't play that long, who cares how his stats would be in that situation.

Now, Bynum is putting up good numbers. Very good for a player of his youth. He is an exceptional rebounder and provided he gets a post game, which I hear is improving, he has the ability to be a force in this league for some time too come.

But, by no means is he dominating. Until he puts up more points per game, and plays more minutes, he simply can't dominate. There's not enough time.

Doesn't matter how good those numbers look in per 40 or per 48. His stats while very good for his time on the floor, are not yet domination. They can be though when and if he plays more minutes.

[SDChargers#1]

Yes, that is true, but it would say that as of right now Bynum is better at rebounding and shot blocking than those 2 (shot blocking without a doubt).

Does that equal better defense? No. But its a lot closer than you'd think. People think that Bynum is some scrub on defense. He isn't at all, and actually makes people think twice before driving the lane against the Lakers.

[SDChargers#1]

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There must be a reason he's not even playing 30 minutes per game, no?

A player only makes the impact on the time he is on the floor- why per 48 or even per 40 is essentially a useless stat in this case- if Bynum doesn't play that long, who cares how his stats would be in that situation.

Now, Bynum is putting up good numbers. Very good for a player of his youth. He is an exceptional rebounder and provided he gets a post game, which I hear is improving, he has the ability to be a force in this league for some time too come.

But, by no means is he dominating. Until he puts up more points per game, and plays more minutes, he simply can't dominate. There's not enough time.

Doesn't matter how good those numbers look in per 40 or per 48. His stats while very good for his time on the floor, are not yet domination. They can be though when and if he plays more minutes.

See this is where people who don't watch the Lakers have a disadvantage. In the last 10 games or so Bynum is averaging ~35 min per game. And with this increase in minutes his numbers have gone up as well. Just go to ESPNs game log and look at Bynum's last 11 games (when his minutes went up). 16.7 ppg and 10.6 rpg and 2.5 bpg.

Phil has taken Bynum's development very seriously, but very carefully. He wants to check and double check to make sure than Bynum is ready before he puts him in that situation. Hence why it has taken so long for Bynum to get minutes.

[semi-sentient]

FG%: Bynum
Blocks: Bynum
Rebounding: Bynum
Scoring: Yao

I would say that Bynum, if he continues on this pace, will be a more impactful player than Yao starting next season. The only thing Yao currently does better is score, and that's because he has a better arsenal. Bynum is mostly a guy who dunks a lot, so as his little hook improves, so will his scoring. Also worth considering is that Bynum is still filling out his frame, so next season he'll come in with even more size, strength, and agility.

Regarding Bynum's minutes, he's been averaging over 30 MPG the past two months, so that's no longer a big issue. Next season is suspect he'll be at right around 35, so I'd expect him to put up around 19/12/3 on a consistent basis -- as a 2nd option. That, to me, is more important than what Yao brings.

Lots of assumptions there, but it's quite possible that Bynum will surpass Yao in the next season or two. Of course, you also have to take into consideration the Kobe factor and the fact that the Lakers are better offensively than Houston. I suspect that if Yao played next to Kobe his numbers would be more impressive.

Edit: Actually, I'll change my view and say that Yao is still the better defender, but Bynum has made considerable improvements from last season to this season. While Houston is currently still the better defensive team as a whole, the Lakers are not far behind. It's feasible to say, based on the progress of Bynum, that he will be right up there with Yao in terms of defensive impact next season. Then again, you never know what will happen. Bynum could regress for all we know.

[TMACFORMVP]

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Look dude let me give you some advice: Learn to read statistics before you post. Ok?

Bynum averages MORE BLOCKED SHOTS in LESS MINUTES EACH GAME. Therefore Bynum can be called the better shot blocker.

Bynum also averages more rebounds in less minutes compared to Yao.

Come on man, you keep owning yourself.

I actually feel Yao's offense is the one that's overrated.

His defense IMO is the one that gets underrated too much. It's not really the shot-blocking or rebounding (where in both categories this season, he's stil among the top in the league ) but the amount of shots he alters is arguably up there with any player. The fact that Yao can say he's anchored a Top 5 defensive team in the NBA (from a statistical standpoint) since his second year in the league on a consistent basis in itself is enough to warrant him being a better defensive player than Bynum IMO.

So if one player is better than the other on BOTH ends of the floor, I'd assume to call them the better player.

Saying that, I think Bynum will be the greater player in the future, just too much potential and talent considering he's averaging a double double in under 30 minutes and they don't really call any plays for him, mainly off alley-oops and putbacks. I could very well see Bynum becoming the better player in the future BUT as of right now Yao is the better player IMO.

Edit-Not to mention, considering you said to start a franchise, the revenue and sales Yao brings to your team (essentially a whole country) can't really be touched by Bynum at least in this stage of his career.

[TooNice00]

FG%: Bynum
Blocks: Bynum
Rebounding: Bynum
Scoring: Yao

I would say that Bynum, if he continues on this pace, will be a more impactful player than Yao starting next season. The only thing Yao currently does better is score, and that's because he has a better arsenal. Bynum is mostly a guy who dunks a lot, so as his little hook improves, so will his scoring. Also worth considering is that Bynum is still filling out his frame, so next season he'll come in with even more size, strength, and agility.

Regarding Bynum's minutes, he's been averaging over 30 MPG the past two months, so that's no longer a big issue. Next season is suspect he'll be at right around 35, so I'd expect him to put up around 19/12/3 on a consistent basis -- as a 2nd option. That, to me, is more important than what Yao brings.

Lots of assumptions there, but it's quite possible that Bynum will surpass Yao in the next season or two. Of course, you also have to take into consideration the Kobe factor and the fact that the Lakers are better offensively than Houston. I suspect that if Yao played next to Kobe his numbers would be more impressive.

actually its more like this right now
rpg=yao
bpg=yao
ppg=yao
apg=yao
ft percentage= yao
ft attempts=yao
steals=yao

what bynum averages per 48 minutes means little because he doesn't average those numbers or even remotely comes close to it. yao is a second option on the rockets with tracy mcgrady. and has only played 5 or 7 games without him. so what yao does as a second option is more impressive than what bynum does as a second option.

[NYKnick87]

Bynum is a better rebounder than Yao. That's probably it. Yao's impact on the game far surprasses that of Bynum's, period. It's funny that many of you say that Yao is "only" better than Bynum at scoring. When it comes to offense, Yao isn't only better than Bynum, he's elite. Bynum does not draw anywhere near the attention that Yao does. Every element of Bynum's offensive game is inferior to Yao's by a large margin.

When it comes to defense, Bynum isn't that great a defender. Phil Jackson even says that he needs to work on his defense. He's great at blocking shots, but so is Dalembert and Dalembert's D sucks.

I don't see how anyone can watch the two players play and come to the conclusion that Bynum is better than Yao. If you swapped Yao with Bynum right now, the Lakers would be instant contenders and even better than Boston. Meanwhile, Bynum would be leading the Rockets to the lottery.

[exkonvict]

Bynum is a better rebounder than Yao. That's probably it. Yao's impact on the game far surprasses that of Bynum's, period. It's funny that many of you say that Yao is "only" better than Bynum at scoring. When it comes to offense, Yao isn't only better than Bynum, he's elite. Bynum does not draw anywhere near the attention that Yao does. Every element of Bynum's offensive game is inferior to Yao's by a large margin.

When it comes to defense, Bynum isn't that great a defender. Phil Jackson even says that he needs to work on his defense. He's great at blocking shots, but so is Dalembert and Dalembert's D sucks.

I don't see how anyone can watch the two players play and come to the conclusion that Bynum is better than Yao. If you swapped Yao with Bynum right now, the Lakers would be instant contenders and even better than Boston. Meanwhile, Bynum would be leading the Rockets to the lottery.

dead on.

[KobeFarmarEra]

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I actually feel Yao's offense is the one that's overrated.

His defense IMO is the one that gets underrated too much. It's not really the shot-blocking or rebounding (where in both categories this season, he's stil among the top in the league ) but the amount of shots he alters is arguably up there with any player. The fact that Yao can say he's anchored a Top 5 defensive team in the NBA (from a statistical standpoint) since his second year in the league on a consistent basis in itself is enough to warrant him being a better defensive player than Bynum IMO.

Defense is the epitome of a team effort. As long as Phil Jackson continues to start Luke Walton and Lamar Odom the Lakers will never played ELITE defense. It's just not possible with those two liabilities on the floor.

But like I pointed out, Bynum alters just as many shots as Yao does. Trust me. Yao has incredible HEIGHT, I agree. But he will never, ever be able to rotate like Bynum or play the PICK AND ROLL (which is the most run play in basketball) as well Bynum.

Right now, defensively, Yao has the advantage of in terms of foul issues. Bynum's biggest problem is getting those cheap fouls, but other than that, you can easily claim his defense is superior due his athleticism, anchor ability and superior rebounding.

So if one player is better than the other on BOTH ends of the floor, I'd assume to call them the better player.

Yao is not better on the defensive end. But I will still concede and call Yao the better overall player RIGHT NOW at 27 compared to an inexperienced 20 year old Bynum. Right now Yao can lead a team with his offensive ability, Bynum can't.

Edit-Not to mention, considering you said to start a franchise, the revenue and sales Yao brings to your team (essentially a whole country) can't really be touched by Bynum at least in this stage of his career.

Thats if you're owner who cares more about revenue compared to success/winning titles. Not all owners are created equal.

[BlzrsExplosion]

Let's look and see how Bynum has done against Houston....and how Yao has done against LA....this season...

Bynum averages in 2 games vs Houston:
18.5 mins, 5.0 pts, 6.5 reb, 2.0 ast, .333 fg%, 1.0 blks

Yao averages in 2 games vs LA:
38.5 mins, 25.5 pts, 12.5 rebs, 4.0 ast, .441 fg%, 1.5 blks

Series is split so far...

[Baller 24]

Bynum is a better rebounder than Yao. That's probably it. Yao's impact on the game far surprasses that of Bynum's, period. It's funny that many of you say that Yao is "only" better than Bynum at scoring. When it comes to offense, Yao isn't only better than Bynum, he's elite. Bynum does not draw anywhere near the attention that Yao does. Every element of Bynum's offensive game is inferior to Yao's by a large margin.

When it comes to defense, Bynum isn't that great a defender. Phil Jackson even says that he needs to work on his defense. He's great at blocking shots, but so is Dalembert and Dalembert's D sucks.

I don't see how anyone can watch the two players play and come to the conclusion that Bynum is better than Yao. If you swapped Yao with Bynum right now, the Lakers would be instant contenders and even better than Boston. Meanwhile, Bynum would be leading the Rockets to the lottery.

Nice post...oh and Amare is currently twice the player Bynum is, we will see how far Bynum progresses. Yao is, and will always be >>>Bynum, Bynum will be good one day, but he will be no where near the level Yao is at currently...

Look dude let me give you some advice: Learn to read statistics before you post. Ok?

Bynum averages MORE BLOCKED SHOTS in LESS MINUTES EACH GAME. Therefore Bynum can be called the better shot blocker.

Bynum also averages more rebounds in less minutes compared to Yao.

Come on man, you keep owning yourself.

First of all I did all my reasearch based ON stats, so don't tell me to read my stats. If your going to bring in rates, and how many mins either of them play then heres a stat for you...
Yao Ming:
02-03 MPG: 29.0 PPG: 13.5 RPG: 8.2 BPG: 1.8 FG%: 0.498
03-04 MPG: 32.8 PPG: 17.5 RPG: 9.0 BPG: 1.9 FG%: 0.522
04-05MPG: 30.6 PPG: 18.3 RPG: 8.4 BPG: 2.0 FG%: 0.552
05-06 MPG: 34.2 PPG: 22.3 RPG: 10.2 BPG: 1.6 FG%: 0.519
06-07 MPG: 33.8 PPG: 25.0 RPG: 9.4 BPG: 2.0 FG%: 0.516
07-08 MPG: 37.0 PPG: 21.6 RPG: 10.6 BPG: 2.3 FG%: 0.487

FT% FOR THE CAREER: 0.826, including 86% this year.

As you can see, Yao hasn't had the big time mins since the beginning of his career as well...He still was a major force, FAR BIGGER THEN BYNUM.
Bynum I have to give the edge at rebounding, but passing wise, scoring wise, blocking wise, shooting wise, free throw shooting wise YAO IS BETTER. I don't think Bynum will ever be on Yao's level, I don't even think Bynum will be on Amare's level. AND the only reason that Yao's FG is less even the the previous years is because Yao probably gets three times the more touches Bynum will ever have per game.


BTW to the poster who said Shaq is dying down, and Bynum is a top 5 center. No your wrong, Shaq is still a major force, he commands twice the more double teams Bynum has ever commanded. He puts up 14pts, and 7 rebounds, still VERY good for centers in this league. Bynum needs a couple of years to develop in this league. Shaq has more experience, and in the playoffs/finals Shaq will always be considered BETTER then Bynum.
My current list of top 5 centers it this:
Yao
Howard
Amare
Shaq
Camby
Kaman (Oh, and Brand has nothing to do with his perforformance, his stats may go down, but does that matter? he has played very well and should be placed among the leagues elite at Center)
Curry (Curry offensivly is a far better player then Bynum is)
Chandler (Having a career year leading the Hornets)
Bynum