Chauncey Billups = Hall Of Famer?

Harison · Post #21 » by **Harison** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:17 pm

If his career would end today, he most likely wouldnt make it to HOF, but if he gets a ring or two more (not likely but still possible) and keeps up very solid level, he has a shot.

killbuckner · Post #22 » by **killbuckner** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 5:05 pm

Billups has a style that is likely to age very well. Playing smart defense, being a distributor on offense, and knocking down open shots to me is a guy who has a place in the league for quite a long time to come, particularly with his size where he can guard some SG's. I mean seriously he would be the ideal player to end up on a team with another star player initiating the offense and he can just get everyone on position (think about him on the Cavs). I do not think he would be seriously considered if he retired today but if he has a particuarly long career (for a guard) and tacks on another championship he definitely could get in.

RoyceDa59 · Post #23 » by **RoyceDa59** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:33 pm

If it were up to me, he would without a doubt be in the Hall of Fame.

legacyinthemakin89c · Post #24 » by **legacyinthemakin89c** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 6:33 pm

You also have to keep in mind is his dream job after retiring is to be a coach. So if he can have a positive impact that way as well, he would definitely make it.

Post #25 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:26 pm

I'd say at this point he wouldn't make the Hall but he's climbing closer to that bar. This year was very important for him, and if he does lead the team to the WCF won't shock me if he eventually makes it.

Post #26 » by **Doctor MJ** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:32 pm

TsunamiZC wrote:Given what Billups has done in Detroit, and now how he is leading Denver...I fail to see how a player like Nash is a HOF lock, yet Billups may only have a small window to some of the opinions around here.

Pretty simple here. Nash has 2 MVPs, and was a strong contender a 3rd time, and Billups has never really been a strong MVP contender. Even if you disagree with Nash getting that recognition, it should obvious that that recognition is why Billups is not in Nash's league as a HOF prospect.

TsunamiZC · Post #27 » by **TsunamiZC** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:39 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
TsunamiZC wrote:Given what Billups has done in Detroit, and now how he is leading Denver...I fail to see how a player like Nash is a HOF lock, yet Billups may only have a small window to some of the opinions around here.

Pretty simple here. Nash has 2 MVPs, and was a strong contender a 3rd time, and Billups has never really been a strong MVP contender. Even if you disagree with Nash getting that recognition, it should obvious that that recognition is why Billups is not in Nash's league as a HOF prospect.

I think getting that recognition, shouldnt lock one into the HOF...especially Nash's dubious back to back MVP's. Given the all stars around Nash in Phoniex, and the team oriented Pistons around Chauncey ..I think Chauncy has accomplished more.

Cigamodnalro · Post #28 » by **Cigamodnalro** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:07 pm

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Post #29 » by **el loco** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:30 pm

SuigintouEV wrote:
>>As a two-time All-Defense 2nd teamer, he may be a bit better than his statistics, but it is hard to suggest that he was significantly better.

Well the part of his statistics that realllly might be getting overlooked is his unbelievable efficiency as a scorer and low-turnover passer.

That's actually the part about him that I have enjoyed the most since he has been back in Denver this time around, he doesn't turn the ball over much. I thought his assist numbers would increase in a faster paced offense, but they haven't gone up much if any at all. This is probably a result of the different role he is playing with the Nuggets. He is asked to score more in this system, and he gets to the line quite well for a pg. He had a great night shooting the ball last night, but he has had nights where he couldn't buy a bucket, but even on those nights he still finds positive ways to contribute.

HOF? Who cares, all I know is that I am glad that Denver was fortunate enough to reacquire him.

Post #30 » by **el loco** » Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:34 pm

Doctor MJ wrote:
TsunamiZC wrote:Given what Billups has done in Detroit, and now how he is leading Denver...I fail to see how a player like Nash is a HOF lock, yet Billups may only have a small window to some of the opinions around here.

Pretty simple here. Nash has 2 MVPs, and was a strong contender a 3rd time, and Billups has never really been a strong MVP contender. Even if you disagree with Nash getting that recognition, it should obvious that that recognition is why Billups is not in Nash's league as a HOF prospect.

NBA Finals MVP. I bet Nash would trade both of his awards for the one that Billups has.

Muzzleshot · Post #31 » by **Muzzleshot** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:00 am

About the only HofF that's worth of damn is the baseball HofF because of their high standards.

Even as water down as the basketball HofF is with NBA players I still don't think CB deserves to get in.
Too many players would have a gripe that they belong in also.

A HofF should be about greatness, not being very good.

JordansBulls · Post #32 » by **JordansBulls** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:24 am

Billups isn't a HOF player

Lakers05 · Post #33 » by **Lakers05** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:47 am

The HOF has turned into a "anyone who has a feel good story should get in" of some sorts. That said, if James Worthy(Big Game James my ass, more like picking on incredibly soft defense with having Magic and Kareem behind my back, as his numbers against Grant before going down were abysmal) can get into the Hall, then so should Billups, because I fail to imagine a situation where Chauncey Billups going down wouldn't make a difference, assuming that the team with him healthy was close enough.

BROWN · Post #34 » by **BROWN** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:22 am

No to HOF, but still a heck of a player. If guys like Chris Mullin arent' in the HOF, I doubt Chauncey can get in. He'll need to at least become a coach later in his career and win a couple championships like that.

eslr · Post #35 » by **eslr** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:45 am

I don't think he has the hall of fame stats or hall of fame resume, but for the last 7-8 years he has certainly had a HOF worthy impact on his teams.

If he gets the Nuggets to the conference finals a couple times, I think he has a chance at the HoF

Post #36 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:06 am

TsunamiZC wrote:I think getting that recognition, shouldnt lock one into the HOF...especially Nash's dubious back to back MVP's. Given the all stars around Nash in Phoniex, and the team oriented Pistons around Chauncey ..I think Chauncy has accomplished more.

Well, if most people felt like you that Nash was completely unworthy of such honors, he probably wouldn't get in the Hall. The issue here really isn't about the voters being locked in with an opinion they disagree with, it's about you disagreeing with the people whose votes matters. It's completely within your right, but there's no great mystery to it.

Post #37 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:11 am

[quote="el loco"]
NBA Finals MVP. I bet Nash would trade both of his awards for the one that Billups has.

I'm sure he would, but nobody, I mean NOBODY with any objectivity thought Billups had achieved Hall-worthiness simply based on getting that award.

When evaluating players, the Finals MVP is huge when comparing players who are otherwise in the same league, but it's absolutely clear that as a baseline, the MVP is more impressive than the Finals MVP. Case in point, the award Billups won could have easily gone to several of the Pistons had things worked out a bit differently, would that have meant that that teammate was a clear superstar? Of course not. The Piston victory was a team victory with an ensemble cast. The only Hall debate that came directly out of it didn't even involved Billups, it involved Ben.

AfricanSensation · Post #38 » by **AfricanSensation** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:13 am

Thats why I hate Nash 2 MVPs, he was not better than Kidd the 2 years Kidd went to the final, or Paul the past 2 years and even Deron last year. He never went to the NBA finals with teams full of superstars. plus people keep talking about both ends of the floor but when Nash plays no D its ok, while Kidd, Billups, Paul and Deron are all studs on D, maybe thats why Nash has less playoff success?

Post #39 » by **Doctor MJ** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:30 am

AfricanSensation wrote:Thats why I hate Nash 2 MVPs, he was not better than Kidd the 2 years Kidd went to the final, or Paul the past 2 years and even Deron last year. He never went to the NBA finals with teams full of superstars. plus people keep talking about both ends of the floor but when Nash plays no D its ok, while Kidd, Billups, Paul and Deron are all studs on D, maybe thats why Nash has less playoff success?

Re: Nash vs Kidd peak. Doesn't really matter. Kidd's a lock for the Hall in large part because his peak is so well respected. If Nash is in the same league, he should be in the Hall. If you don't think he was in the same league, then you disagree with the norm.

Re: Nash vs Paul peak. If Paul sticks around just a while longer, he'll be in the Hall. He's obviously playing at a Hall level. <Repeat the last 2 sentences of the last paragraphs>

Re: Nash vs Deron peak. Well, if you think Deron's at Nash's level, you're very much disagreeing with the norm.

Re: team full of superstars. Ridiculous exaggeration. Team was terrible until he got there.

Re: less playoff success. None of the guys you are describing have clearly more playoffs success than Nash, except Billups, who absolutely everyone considered to have a much stronger supporting cast. The idea that Nash's style can't survive in the playoffs has no validity behind it. All we know is that Nash is not Duncan's equal, but it should be clearly that no one in this discussion in Duncan's equal.

realfung · Post #40 » by **realfung** » Tue Apr 21, 2009 6:35 am

maybe I think he needs another title or some sort of titles, like scoring or assist or defensive player of the year or something.